2010.06.30 Andrea Lyon is off the Dream Team! She quits!

[21merc7]

Excuse me H. Finklestein. 15 minutes? :floorlaugh: Where were you on the 2 hour Motion lecture thingy? That should have been in writing?

Needless to say. AL leaving is a loss, in a way, to KC. However, team said she is always available to them. So, no litigation loss really. Nearly everything is via email, telephone, and so on these days. She is just not going to appear. Not going to make the sentencing phase argument. She can advise and script this from behind the scenes. All is good.

 

[strawberry]

Lawyer on JVM saying she doesn't think AL doesn't have faith in the case...believes it is just pragmatic.

 

[Horace Finklestein]

So will Cindy come out now and start in with the conspiracy theories about money and Casey being taken advantage of, etc? Does she still trust Mort? Will she be giving Mort any more assignments to search Brooklyn for Caylee? It'll be interesting to see.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

WbG, you have a right to your opinion. However, I will stand up and say I would gladly be the one to give KC that lethal injection. I do believe some people are just EVIL and nothing is going to make them any thing else. I wonder if Caylee had been your child and KC murdered her if would would still not want to be the one to put the needle in her??

I honestly don't know. I marvel at people who stand up and say they have forgiven so-and-so for such-and-such. It would be very very hard.

Having just read all the letters people have sent KC in jail, when I came across the name calling vile ones, they made me cringe - just don't want to be like that. AL states that people are the way they are for a reason. It's a tricky situation all around.

For some reason, I haven't paid that much attention to AL so maybe I don't have a complete picture of who she is - just that I agreed with some of her points in the article.

Something tells me that maybe there's a 'BOMBSHELL' around the corner - one can hope anyway.

 

[Gypsy Road]

Totally OT here, but I can't help but wonder if AL will ever write about her experience working on this case once it's all said and done with. ???

 

[cyberborg]

Totally OT here, but I can't help but wonder if AL will ever write about her experience working on this case once it's all said and done with. ???

I think AL will _if_ KC gets the DP, to present how wrong it is and why to further her mission and cash in.

Somehow I don't think KC will get DP, only LWOP so if that's the case then AL could only share her memoir inside the defense team.

 

[nums24]

Dr. Lillian Glass on Lyon Departure:

Andrea Lyon’s Body Language Indicated She May Not Have Believed Casey Anthony, So It Comes As No Surprise She Is No Longer on Casey’s Team. Are There More Reasons for Her Departure?


http://drlillianglassbodylanguagebl...eam-are-there-more-reasons-for-her-departure/

 

[chefmom]

I honestly don't know. I marvel at people who stand up and say they have forgiven so-and-so for such-and-such. It would be very very hard.

Having just read all the letters people have sent KC in jail, when I came across the name calling vile ones, they made me cringe - just don't want to be like that. AL states that people are the way they are for a reason. It's a tricky situation all around.

For some reason, I haven't paid that much attention to AL so maybe I don't have a complete picture of who she is - just that I agreed with some of her points in the article.

Something tells me that maybe there's a 'BOMBSHELL' around the corner - one can hope anyway.

BBM

Me, too! I believe we are going to learn something pretty bad pretty soon! I mean, worse than what we already know. Something that will be indisputable for the SA. Maybe not a good as the video they had in the check case, but close! At least, I am hoping so! There seems to be a bit of activity right now, and none of it seems to be in favor of the defense. JMO.

 

[essies]

Just an idea to throw out here-perhaps AL (with the help of her mitigation investigator Jeanene Barret) saw up close that there was nothing redeeming about KC. I can't believe there was anything "fiscal" in her motivation to leave the case. A truly lame excuse if you feel someones life hangs in the balance IMO! However, she spent enough time (as did Jeanene B) around ICA and her family to see how this family operates now and in the past. I think this snip from her article in the Huffington Post is quite telling-
Fighting the Death Penalty: Hope for Change
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andrea-lyon/fighting-the-death-penalt_b_630975.html
<snipped>
Once, I defended a young woman for killing the father who had been molesting her since she was five years old. Unfortunately, I made mistakes during the trial and I lost the case. At its conclusion, I rushed to reassure her that we would appeal. What did she say to me -- this young woman facing many many years in prison? "Are you okay? Are you all right to drive? I don't want you to be home alone tonight." She was more worried about me than about her own sad fate. Happily, I did get her conviction reversed on appeal, and we settled for time served in lieu of a new trial.

What this story demonstrates to me is that even people facing the most horrendous prospects are still capable of caring about someone other than themselves. Time and time again, I have seen incarcerated people find within themselves unexpected capacities. Some counsel younger inmates; some mediate family conflicts; many make a positive contribution to the world. And even those who have demonstrated total indifference to the lives of others can change. Redemption is possible. As long as there is life, even if it is a life in prison with no chance of parole, there is hope for change.

Yes, there may have been conflict within the defense team and maybe AL didn't want to lose her winning record. But, perhaps AL (with help from Jeanene) saw KC's true evil and the evidence and simply couldn't bear to be a part of defending KC!! Long shot-I know!! But, I'm using AL's theory for "change" on AL! :angel:

 

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[Woe.be.gone]

BBM

Me, too! I believe we are going to learn something pretty bad pretty soon! I mean, worse than what we already know. Something that will be indisputable for the SA. Maybe not a good as the video they had in the check case, but close! At least, I am hoping so! There seems to be a bit of activity right now, and none of it seems to be in favor of the defense. JMO.

It could be that the defense has acquired information about KC's history that would cause a jury to at least partially understand why KC was in conflict about her child and her family. Honestly, I don't know which side knows what but it seems like something is up.

It is my understanding though that a Lawyer can't just up and quit a case in the middle of it unless they get the permission of the court - why and when can a team member quit? What's up with that I wonder?

 

[Woe.be.gone]

IMO AL would not leave the case because she believes KC to be guilty of killing Caylee. She may believe that KC is guilty.

It's my understanding, please correct me if I'm wrong, that the DP Lawyer is present for the sentencing phase of a trial. That is she may know the client is guilty of the crime all along but her job is to convince a Jury as to why the client should not be sentenced to death. AL is against the DP period regardless if one is guilty of committing the crime. Therefore, why would she leave KC for being guilty?

Anyway, maybe AL has some trouble within her family or something more personal - I have no idea but a reason for her leaving like that would make more sense to me.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

So she goes all out for her case until money or disagreements (ego) get in the way? I think she's committed to herself first (legacy) and clients are a means to that end. She's supposed to be the genius, she wrote a book about herself, seems like she would stick it out regardless of what else was happening.

Could it be the Judge Perry influenced her decision - he may have told her to leave in so many words.

What did I miss? Why are people of the opinion that AL is run by her ego?
IMO most successful people have some ego, that is, a desire for themselves to be successful. :waitasec: Plus when you work that hard and are of a certain age, imo you are entitled to a certain amount of ego. Afterall, she has a successful record at what she does.

I don't think the team has to tell us exactly why things are unfolding the way they are so they just say something that sounds plausible but they don't owe us an explanation. In the end, we may understand how and why. Maybe she needed to go home for personal reasons.

 

[believe09]

I am not sure I agree with the body language expert-my argument is that defense attorneys are not required to believe their clients. Everyone is entitled to a defense and the DP is AL's thing. I seriously doubt that her moral compass for defending someone includes believing them. She is against the DP in the US.

Her body language may very well indicate that AL does not believe Casey is innocent, but does she believe Casey deserves a vigorous defense? I am certain she does...something else has come up that has made this case less palatable than it was. I do think it is damaging to AL's reputation to walk away. JMO.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Amazing to me how A Lyon can toot her own horn in an article she wrote yesterday knowing that she was quiting one of the most difficult to win death penalty cases that I have ever seen. So what in her article is really the truth? Why did she not bring up the fact that was she going to leave someone who is facing the death penalty while she was saying that what she does is not an easy job? To bad that a list of videos of her lectures was not included with that article. I suspect that most people would look at her differently if they knew how A Lyon was when she is not "making nice" to a jury or the public.

Okay please help me here - what did she say in those videos that has everyone so turned off? I watched one but will have to rewatch with more interest.

When AL made those videos, her audience was composed of like minded people so there would be a different approach as to how she spoke in that situation -
like she was among friends and she was the expert/teacher. I'll shut up until I watch the videos. It is an 'us against them' situation though when she is fighting her cause. :waitasec:

Also imo you're not tooting your own horn if you're simply stating what your experience has been. She admits to loosing a case but then later winning it on appeal.
Her point of the story though was that her client had been concerned about her wellbeing therefore was not a total monster.

 

[LambChop]

Don't know if has come up yet in this thread but I wonder if KC ever mentioned having problems with her father and brother (as she mentions in her letters to the inmate) to AL's mediation specialist????? If not, could this be a big problem for KC????

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Don't know if has come up yet in this thread but I wonder if KC ever mentioned having problems with her father and brother (as she mentions in her letters to the inmate) to AL's mediation specialist????? If not, could this be a big problem for KC????

I've been wondering about this too...I was wondering if the sex abuse allegations were being floated as something they were going to use in mitigation, but the team have abandoned this idea recently - ie since March.

I'm thinking that either AL's mitigation specialist either didn't find any basis for the allegations, or that it was becoming clear that Casey wouldn't be believed and therefore using the 'abuse excuse' would only ad to her problems.

It's pretty clear from Casey's letters, and in the 'why why why' letter from George that this direction had been seriously considered for awhile.

 

[Star12]

I've been wondering about this too...I was wondering if the sex abuse allegations were being floated as something they were going to use in mitigation, but the team have abandoned this idea recently - ie since March.

I'm thinking that either AL's mitigation specialist either didn't find any basis for the allegations, or that it was becoming clear that Casey wouldn't be believed and therefore using the 'abuse excuse' would only ad to her problems.

It's pretty clear from Casey's letters, and in the 'why why why' letter from George that this direction had been seriously considered for awhile.

I iam wondering if these "allegations" were not planted in KC's mind by this mitigation specialist asking questions about abuse.....

 

[BeckyKY]

I wonder if the indigency hearing disclosure that she used most of the DePaul legal clinic's donated funds for KC's case is another reason she is leaving. I wonder if her "donation's" have dried up.

Good point ! I hope it dried up and stays that way.
I don't know if JB is still teaching anywhere , but at one time I read his students were also assigned to work on the case. I think that is totally wrong. JMO

 

[Horace Finklestein]

Good point ! I hope it dried up and stays that way.
I don't know if JB is still teaching anywhere , but at one time I read his students were also assigned to work on the case. I think that is totally wrong. JMO

It is a disgusting misuse of money. I'm sure there are plenty of truly indigent people in IL who could have used that clinic's assistance. They serve Andrea's ego, not truly needy people. I really do not know how any of these people sleep at night. Guess Casey didn't get much for all that money Lyon threw at this case. I still don't know what it went to.