2011.06.03 SIDEBAR THREAD (Trial Day Nine)

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The bag was being used for a phony purpose to begin with, had no more purpose for that, and it probably stunk and absorbed odors from the car.

Also: Did anyone else notice Casey's mannerisms this afternoon toward Baez during a break? They were standing there, Casey talking and motioning with hands. It looked like she kept trying or actually touching his hands. He had both hands on the back of a chair, and quickly moved one hand away from hers then grabbed papers off a desk a few seconds later.

Yes, I did notice that. Also did anyone notice when court ended today, JB and KC's bff (her female atty, can't remember her name), were no where around her. KC looked to be standing by herself, then she said something to CM for a minute. Also, there wasn't any babying and petting KC when she was upset :floorlaugh: like in the past.:waitasec: Wonder what's going on between KC and her great DT?
 
Hi ThinkTink,

Didn't the papertowels that were in the garbage bag have grave wax on them as if someone (ICA) had tried to wipe up the bodily fluids? Going to see if I can find it somewhere.


http://www.wesh.com/r/21714207/detail.html

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In a report from the so-called "body farm" in Tennessee, Dr. Arpad Vass found a substance called "adipocere," which is commonly referred to as "grave wax" on paper towels recovered from a trash bag inside Anthony's car trunk.

I hope it's ok to post this link, not sure which are approved and which aren't. If not ok please delete!
 
I had to miss all the afternoon session to deal with important phone calls!:banghead: I will catch up. :)
 
I have been wondering if Casey will speak to MSM when this is over and she is on Death Row (probably)? Does anyone think she will eventually speak out when this all dies down? I know some in jail won't speak out and other's thrive for MSM. Which do you think she will be?

I know Casey is all me me me so I bet she speaks to MSM to keep the camera on "her".

IMO she absolutely will "speak out." But she'll never tell the truth. It will be just another car ride to her office at Universal or to Zanny's apartment. ICA won't change her stripes, at least not in this life.
 
http://www.wesh.com/r/21714207/detail.html

snipped from article:
In a report from the so-called "body farm" in Tennessee, Dr. Arpad Vass found a substance called "adipocere," which is commonly referred to as "grave wax" on paper towels recovered from a trash bag inside Anthony's car trunk.

I hope it's ok to post this link, not sure which are approved and which aren't. If not ok please delete!

Links from local MSM are welcome! Thank you!
 
Yes, I did notice that. Also did anyone notice when court ended today, JB and KC's bff (her female atty, can't remember her name), were no where around her. KC looked to be standing by herself, then she said something to CM for a minute. Also, there wasn't any babying and petting KC when she was upset :floorlaugh: like in the past.:waitasec: Wonder what's going on between KC and her great DT?

It leads me to believe, as some WS are saying, that the DT never watched those videos all the way through and now they see who
ICA really is. I could be convinced that she's snowed them with her lies and they never checked out her stories.
CM sure looked dazed and confused while the videos were playing. Hard to say, tho', he looks like that a lot of the time.

jmo :innocent:

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Respectfully snipped for space.

In my experience, they are NOT stupid...but they kinda are. They are good at everything in the beginning. It's when they are backed into a corner that things get dumb. It's all a stalling tactic. They put everything off as long as humanly possible and while making an escape. Once they just disappear, they are no longer held responsible for anything they do, and that is a good thing because they don't care, much less want to deal with silly things like responsibility.

But if Casey's a sociopath, she's a bloody stupid one as well. Putting everything off is one thing but lying to the police who can easily prove she lied seems blatantly stupid. Stealing Amy's checks...well that was really easy to prove she did it. She did not use much foresight at all. Only when she left the car at Amscot did she perhaps use a little foresight....knowing she better not have anyone around the car anymore. But what was she thinking after Tony came back and retrieved his car? That was really putting things off!
 
It is an oft used trial tactic for Prosecution witnesses to address the jurors when answering and not so much during cross.

It's a subtle way of saying to jurors that the witness has prosecution info that is helpful for jurors to understand, and that the DT not so much.

I really believe that the oNLY reason JB called it out with YURI, is because he had in fact read it here.

We are his BEST guage of temperature and he needed to cool YURI down a bit.

We all saw JB cross Yuri in pretrial hearings.......JB did not like the attitude shift and quizzical looks...thus he tried to make him look bad by pointing out that Yuri had been trained that way. YURI was clear in his agreement and thus demonstrated....he wasn't hiding anything.

JB gambled and lost on that little exchange.

BBM
It sure is nice to know that we here at websleuths make for some good bedtime reading for JB, huh? LOL LOL
 
Richard Hornsby pops in and out with cryptic comments on laws and opinions which have been helpful for us, and he has a huge following here.
However, he has made a number of "forecasts" that have not come to pass, and it is helpful to remember he is a criminal defence lawyer. He has always said he would have gone with an accident defence.

We could say his opinion of Baez pretty well parallels most of us here....:innocent:

Forecast: 70% I'm right, with a slight chance of unexpected testimony.
 
I think I need to STOP watching HLN and Vinnie P everyday. I don't think I can take much more of LKB. So glad she's no longer on the DT but I bet anything that she's been texting with JB. Grrrr!

I have already given up HLN and all of their shows over this. The other night we turned on JVM and got LKB shrieking and I thought, you know what, life is just to short to listen to her and people like her. It saddens me that this is what passes for "news" in this country.
 
I never will understand what on earth she thought Amy would do when she found out ICA cashed and stole from her?? I mean really?? Did she expect her to do nothing??

Question though, has Amil or any of "our people" been in the courtroom??

And is that the staff that HHJP has all the time? His court clerk is absolutely stunning. And I like how they switch the court reporters occasionally. I tell you what -- those court reporters are making a small fortune on this trial.

Baez - totally lost. CM -- best comment of the day here was when someone said "he woke from the dead" and started badgering that one witness. Man alive - he has no couth. None of them do.

And why in the heck is ICA allowed to unplug cords on the floor and sit around for another 15 minutes (I know it wasn't but it seemed like it) before she goes back to her cage. Really?? That down to business Pinellas County female guard would have nothing of this.

Just random thoughts and questions I have after watching all day. GO STATE!!
 
But if Casey's a sociopath, she's a bloody stupid one as well. Putting everything off is one thing but lying to the police who can easily prove she lied seems blatantly stupid. Stealing Amy's checks...well that was really easy to prove she did it. She did not use much foresight at all. Only when she left the car at Amscot did she perhaps use a little foresight....knowing she better not have anyone around the car anymore. But what was she thinking after Tony came back and retrieved his car? That was really putting things off!

ITA
I don't get why people keep saying she's intelligent. She's a clever liar and manipulator, but that's it as far as I can see.
She tries to sound smart, but she uses words wrong and uses the wrong words all the time. It seems like she's parroting phrases she's heard somewhere, but, because she doesn't understand them, she uses them improperly. I also think that half the time she doesn't have a clue what's going on in court, hence her blank stare, stone face and furrowed brow.

She doesn't seem to realize that she's not going to get away with murder.
I find it unbelievable the way she watched the videos - someone upthread said "like it was her twin sister". There's no sign of emotion - only possibly a little spark of confused interest now and then.

Then, when the jury is out of the room, she acts all giggly and flirty, like she's at a party or some event she "planned" for herself - and she's the star. Notice how the minute anyone sits near her, she immediately starts yakking at them. I think they've all about had enough.
She'll even try it with the guards, as if they're her buddies and/or fans.

She's really an enigma.

.ETA:
I hope SA puts those psych experts on the stand - I'd love to hear a professional opinion of her behavior, not just one from a TH on TV.

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The problem with the defense theory here.. in all the videos she focuses on herself. If her dad really was partially to blame, you don't think she'd have thrown him under the bus early on? Why wait till now? Just more lies...

Really, I have been thinking this since the DT first gave that ridiculous OS. If that was all true, well, in jail, ICA was safe. The case was already in the media, she could have told it all then, and become famous. Her wonder attorney could have introduced her to Geraldo, et al and she could have had it all. There is no way if this is true ICA would have stayed in jail all this time without screaming to any who would listen that her dad did it and all.
 
I never will understand what on earth she thought Amy would do when she found out ICA cashed and stole from her?? I mean really?? Did she expect her to do nothing??

Question though, has Amil or any of "our people" been in the courtroom??

And is that the staff that HHJP has all the time? His court clerk is absolutely stunning. And I like how they switch the court reporters occasionally. I tell you what -- those court reporters are making a small fortune on this trial.

Baez - totally lost. CM -- best comment of the day here was when someone said "he woke from the dead" and started badgering that one witness. Man alive - he has no couth. None of them do.

And why in the heck is ICA allowed to unplug cords on the floor and sit around for another 15 minutes (I know it wasn't but it seemed like it) before she goes back to her cage. Really?? That down to business Pinellas County female guard would have nothing of this.Just random thoughts and questions I have after watching all day. GO STATE!!

BBM..Ain't that the truth...JMHO
 
Forecast: 70% I'm right, with a slight chance of unexpected testimony.

As weather is often unpredictable, you allow room for any number of variables.

Thus far, you have not married yourself to an opinion, statement, or prediction and by that....have distinguished yourself apart from a certain egocentric, pocket square flashing facade of an attorney.

I don't always agree with your opinions, but respect them..... and your consistency.
 
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