2011.06.04 Sidebar Day Ten [MERGED]

[21merc7]

ITA...the way I see it though, he's more than likely trying to explains things in his own mind. He doesn't have a firm grasp of the evidence and is probably working off the notes that LKB left with the team.

Yes, this too. I still do not think JB understands any of it.

 

[RR0004]

6. Cindy - Ellen Barkin
7. George - John Somebody (looks just like him) name?

Larroquette?

 

[Wishbone]

I missed the trash vs. garbage portion. I use trash and garbage interchangeably, as if they mean the same thing. I never use rubbish or refuse in the same way though. I use rubbish interchangeably with crap. lol

I tend to think the difference in usage is regional though.

Different professions use various terms that are particular to their field. It’s called “jargon”. Since evidence collection is such a precise area it stands to reason that they would have a standard term for garbage, refuse, rubbish, any and all items discarded as worthless or useless……..

 

[Wagara]

I thought DCS did a terrible job at the Frye hearings but of course so did JB. Neither seemed to understand at the time what they were supposed to be arguing pertaining to Frye much to JA and JP's frustration. I really do think the wind was taken out of her sails at that time. She has conceded to be out of her element and didn't want to be embarrassed.

I too have noticed a dramatic change in her attitude toward Casey since seeing those jail videos as it seems have many by the numerous comments being made about it.

Are these comments in any specific place? I missed this. TIA!

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Larroquette?

I was thinking the guy that played Elaine's boss on Seinfeld (now hosts family fued or something).

 

[BigFatMommyDog]

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[Friday]

:twocents: The term "perfect match" won't be used but the terms "consistent with, similar to, exhibiting the same microscopic features as" CAN & WILL be used.

Has the SA already emphasized for the jury that this is the accepted terminology that scientists use, rather than what lay people might expect to hear?

If the SAs haven't done so, they sure need to.

 

[ZsaZsa]

Actually this makes no sense. Correct me if I'm wrong but if the tape went on when Caylee was alive (no hair band), and was still there when she died, wouldn't a hair band still form after Caylee passed? The tape had nothing to do with the root of the hair, it only served to keep the jaw bone together with the skull. :waitasec:

If the tape was placed after Caylee died, their should be hair bands, no?
I'm confused. Plus I thought I heard someone say in court today that not all people/hairs get the death band when they die. :waitasec:

The one hair with band doesn't sound like very strong evidence to me. The smell of decomp is much stronger evidence that a dead body had been in the Pontiac imo in that several people have testified to smelling it.

If the hair on the duct tape was pulled out of her head while she was alive it would not have the death band and would not form one after death.
The death band only appears in hairs that have fallen or been removed from a dead body.
Death bands do not form on all hair,it has to be attached to a dead body for something like 8 hours IIRC - if it's pulled off before then you might not find one..

 

[snowshuze]

What is everyone's opinion on what this, which was posted during today's testimony, means?

Jury smirks when Judge Perry talks sternly to Baez.
by cfnews13casey via twitter at 12:45 PM

It's "UNIVERSAL" Mr Baez is an unusual person.

 

[RR0004]

MK- Here ya go...

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[momtective]

Actually this makes no sense. Correct me if I'm wrong but if the tape went on when Caylee was alive (no hair band), and was still there when she died, wouldn't a hair band still form after Caylee passed? The tape had nothing to do with the root of the hair, it only served to keep the jaw bone together with the skull. :waitasec:

If the tape was placed after Caylee died, their should be hair bands, no?
I'm confused. Plus I thought I heard someone say in court today that not all people/hairs get the death band when they die. :waitasec:

The one hair with band doesn't sound like very strong evidence to me. The smell of decomp is much stronger evidence that a dead body had been in the Pontiac imo in that several people have testified to smelling it.

Since we're on the subject of hair, does anyone know why in one of the first video's CA was asking ICA about when the last time she cut Caylee's hair was and when the last time was that she had cut or colored her own hair? :waitasec:

 

[Sun]

FBI Karen Lowe did a fine job today on the witness stand. I found her testimony to be quite professional and believeable. While she did throw in a few words or terms that I was not familiar with, I was able to understand her points. She microscopically examined one hair that showed signs of apparent decomposition. And, that one hair was collected from the trunk of the car by CSI Gerardo Bloise.

 

[21merc7]

Since we're on the subject of hair, does anyone know why in one of the first video's CA was asking ICA about when the last time she cut Caylee's hair was and when the last time was that she had cut or colored her own hair? :waitasec:

IDK, but maybe b/c she was asked to give over a hair brush or saved lock of hair of KC's and Caylee's? IIRC, she boasted that she did not give LE Caylee's brush?

These were asked for for DNA purposes.

 

[RR0004]

Has the SA already emphasized for the jury that this is the accepted terminology that scientists use, rather than what lay people might expect to hear?

If the SAs haven't done so, they sure need to.

Bloise pointed it out yesterday IIRC but not in context of everyone doing it...just that's the way HE referred to it in his notes. As this is his supervisor, I would assume that he is quite familiar with Bloise's reports.

 

[momtective]

IDK, but maybe b/c she was asked to give over a hair brush or saved lock of hair of KC's and Caylee's? IIRC, she boasted that she did not give LE Caylee's brush?

These were asked for for DNA purposes.

I'm just wondering if CA had found a clump of hair or hair clippings at the house...if she did, I wonder what she did with them and if they would have had banding on them, if they were pulled hairs rather than clipped hairs.

 

[RR0004]

Since we're on the subject of hair, does anyone know why in one of the first video's CA was asking ICA about when the last time she cut Caylee's hair was and when the last time was that she had cut or colored her own hair? :waitasec:

I believe a hairdresser had stepped forward about seeing them.

 

[21merc7]

Has the SA already emphasized for the jury that this is the accepted terminology that scientists use, rather than what lay people might expect to hear?

If the SAs haven't done so, they sure need to.

I agree SA should bring it up. I thought it was common knowledge, but it must not be so. They should do it fast, Dr. Vass' testimony is going to be long and tedious thanks to you know who.

Did we already hear from DNA experts?

 

[RR0004]

IDK, but maybe b/c she was asked to give over a hair brush or saved lock of hair of KC's and Caylee's? IIRC, she boasted that she did not give LE Caylee's brush?

These were asked for for DNA purposes.

I also believe another item was submitted. (?)

 

[strach304]

Whoa! How would that be possible? Like skin cells from someone else contaminated it?

Skin cells would=dna, there was none. When Dr. G stated the tape was placed before decomposition I believe she simply means while there was flesh to adhere to. She also has the placement, size and tightness so to speak to base those theories on. We know she cut the tape from the hair and the tape was placed tightly enough to hold the mandible to the skull after decomposition. Even laying in all that water and essentially rotting, drying, insects, etc. it remained in place.

 

[Chiquita71]

OMG! :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh:

I can't believe you just got into his head......

Are you okay??? :floorlaugh:

:tyou: 21merc7 kay:

I needed to do that after recapping Jose/CM through out voir dire and into the trial. For me, it is "beyond obvious" what they are doing. That is all they do. When people say the defense "made a good point" I admit I am at a total loss.

I am sure it is because some of it is over my head, but mostly all I hear is desperation and the crazy making. The truth is the truth. Facts are facts.

Jose is fighting a lost battle, imho. Maybe this type of tactic has worked before, oh I know it has worked before but in the words of my beloved Utada Hikaru "Nothings like before."

The song does not have anything to do with this case, but it is a beautiful song. :luv:

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