2011.06.13 Sidebar (Trial Day Seventeen)

[Kentjbkent]

Casey Anthony Trial: Meet the Jury

By Steve Helling

UpdateMonday June 13, 2011 12:10 PM EDT

Originally posted Monday June 13, 2011 10:30 AM EDT

They come from all walks of life. There's a nurse, a salesman and a teacher. Six of them have children. They range in age from 32 to 65.

And they have a difficult job – to determine whether Casey Anthony is guilty of murder and, if so, to decide whether she should be sentenced to death.

Here's a closer look at the jurors:

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20502089,00.html

 

[3doglady]

LOL Judge Jeanine is out yelling Geraldo on FOX

 

[tragco]

Was thinking about the jurors. I am thinking there will be 1 or 2 that will want to meander down the speculative path and somehow think that the State cannot prove its case unless there is something caught on tape or some irrefutable proof of ICA making chloroform, putting the duct tape on her baby's mouth, or committing the murder.

It's not reasonable to assume a murderer would allow themselves to be filmed or otherwise caught doing any of these things. It's also not reasonable after the testimony to find anyone else who would do these things to Caylee. Caylee had a relatively small group of people who were in contact with her. The evidence points clearly to only one person.

I think HHJP will clear up the meanderings real quick with his instruction that a reasonable doubt is not a forced doubt, a reasonable doubt is also not a speculative doubt.

 

[mitzi]

bobkealing
#CaseyAnthony court papers filed today indicate Anthonys defense wants to call multiple scientists from the Body Farm.

Can they still call witnesses that were not previously listed?

The only good part of this, is that now we get to see the cutie-patootie, Dr. Vass again.

 

[faefrost]

Was thinking about the jurors. I am thinking there will be 1 or 2 that will want to meander down the speculative path and somehow think that the State cannot prove its case unless there is something caught on tape or some irrefutable proof of ICA making chloroform, putting the duct tape on her baby's mouth, or committing the murder.

It's not reasonable to assume a murderer would allow themselves to be filmed or otherwise caught doing any of these things. It's also not reasonable after the testimony to find anyone else who would do these things to Caylee. Caylee had a relatively small group of people who were in contact with her. The evidence points clearly to only one person.

I think HHJP will clear up the meanderings real quick with his instruction that a reasonable doubt is not a forced doubt, a reasonable doubt is also not a speculative doubt.

This case involves the horrific and simple death of a small child. No real celebrity is involved nor are high priced Hollywood lawyers. I think we will be surprised and satisfied at at exactly how reasonable our friends and neighbors on the jury can be. I suspect that they will convict, and any doubts they have regarding exactly what happened will be addressed in the sentencing phase. I think the DP is still a long shot. I think KC spending the rest of her life in jail is a foregone conclusion.

 

[1tasha]

And I don't think it was silencing because of how much duct tape was used and that it was stuck so much in her hair. If you wanted to keep a child quiet only. You'd want to be able to remove it without pulling out the hair. It was placed on intentionally to be permanent!

Isn't it insane the places our minds have to go to come up with a "logical" reason for things in this case? I agree with you, btw.

 

[sorrell skye]

What could possibly be that exception of not calling 911 for your child?

KC Anthony. Nothing she does or has done makes sense.

Does it make sense that her own mother claims she didn't know KC was pregnant - and not only pregnant, but in her 3rd trimester & noticeably pregnant to everyone but her? Makes no sense at all.

There's a lot about this family that doesn't make sense.

 

[NocturnalLady]

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=135704&page=32
page 32 Lawyer questions thread
6/5/2011

I asked on the lawyer questions thread: My question is -- can the Defense call a STATE witness, during the Defense case, if the STATE did not call their own witness during the case in chief?

The State has River/Krystal Holloway and her sister Skye, and the person at River's security gate where she lives on the STATE witness list [they are NOT on the Defense witness list]. However, if the State chooses not to call these witnesses to testify at trial... and the Defense cannot do a "cross exam" ... can the Defense still call these STATE witnesses when the Defense puts on their own case?

I believe the Defense will want to question River on the stand, to show that George had SECRETS, and to embarrass him with the alleged affair information, and to imply that the Inmate was protecting her father's secrets (from Cindy), and that the Inmate learned to keep secrets from her father. Baez said as much in his opening statements.

State witnesses:
Cecelia Benhaida - (Skye) - twin sister of River Cruz - involved with George - added May 24, 2010

Krystal Holloway (River Cruz) - involved with George - added May 24, 2010

Jody Lee - verify that George frequent visitor of River Cruz/Krystal Holloway - added May 24, 2010


AZLawyer answered: BBM
Yes, the defense should be allowed to call witness on the State's list even if the State did not call them.

Well then this case just got a whole lot longer!!

 

[HRCODEPINK]

did she show it? everything I saw was blurry and she said she wouldn't be showing the uncensored photos. Maybe I missed it

I just rewound back on NG and looked again and the pics in the opening were blurred out, they were just so small on the screen that I could not tell, so I apologize for my previous post saying that they were not. I was wrong. However, I think that the fact that one would have to go back and look, much less watch multiple times to figure our that a picture is actually is censored speaks volumes about what a great job they did here.

Her promise not to show them here in the snotty tone she used reminds me of her tears.

 

[Tuffy]

I have completely missed the Lee & Tara angle. Can anyone steer me to where I can read about this??

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/5395527/Lee-Anthony-Myspace-Blogging

 

[Caligram]

The DT really wants to discredit the hair banding. The trunk hair that survived CA's vauccuming the day ICA's car was recovered really is a big deal, it places a lifeless Caylee Marie in the trunk of her mommy's auto. This FBI guy that testified today may have been a bit lackluster, but he knew what he was talking about. I hope that either this guy or JA has a copy of the email in which the PP slides were sent, showing both JA and JB in the "to" portion, and the colored PP attachments that were sent to both at that same time, in living color. JB, your living color comment was not witty, it was inappropriate, par for the course. JB, if you want to pursue the issue of B/W vs. Color on the hair bands, I hope it comes back to bite you.
Does the DT own a color printer, or had they planned on using this they are so sneaky we only got B/W pictures to thwart the hair band testimony. I am such a skeptic.

 

[JusticeSeeker1960]

You're right, NCIS prepared a report of statements provided to them by Mark Hawkins (link below). I doubt we'll hear from Naval personnel; there's just not much to Mark's statements, really. My opinion, of course. You may decide otherwise.

http://www.wesh.com/download/2011/0311/27161404.pdf

One thing I noticed from his statement is the fact that his mother saw her at Target buying a case of beer. They had small talk, KC telling her that her boyfriend was coming back into town....and that his Mother wondered where Caylee was! Could it be her tomorrow?

 

[Cross Creek]

Hello all. This is my first post here and I have been enjoying reading all the great insight that you all have offered.
It seems that I am not alone in getting very worried about the state not introducing some evidence and am hopeing that they are not going to think they have the case in the bag and end prematurely.
When I watch the TH, I get even more nervous with all their spewing of nonsense. To bring me back to reality, I must remember that the SA have a great track record that they know what they are doing and why they are presenting the way they are. They have worked too hard for the last 3 years to present anything but the best in order for the jury to follow. I pray that they find the OC guilty.........This is very nerve-wrecking!
Thanks for letting me get my 2 cents out there!

Cheers~

Welcome!!!! :welcome:

 

[katydid23]

Unfortunately, the jurors don't have the luxury of poring over the details of the case for a year (nor, I suspect, would they want to, since I'm sure they are eager to return home).

The jurors only have access to what has been presented in court.

In court, the 911 tapes were played. In one of them, CA said she hadn't seen her granddaughter since June 7th.

In other evidence (KC's interview with Yuri Melich & the jail visitation w/LA video), the jurors heard KC state June 9th, & the cryptic conversation between KC & LA that ensued.

Jurors heard CA state she hadn't seen her granddaughter for a month.

Jurors heard KC state she hadn't seen her daughter for 31 days.

Then, CA testified that Father's Day, June 15th, was the last time she saw Caylee (contradicting what she said in the 911 call).

GA testified he saw Caylee on the morning of June 16th, and described her clothing, but it was different from what was discovered @ the crime scene.

IMO, there are so many dates regarding the last time Caylee was allegedly seen, it might cause jurors to doubt each of the family members' testimony (especially with all that weird back-and-forth between KC & LA on the jail visitation videos when LA was playing sleuth).

It might cause them to ask was it June 7th? Was it June 9th? Was it June 15th?

It might cause them to question if GA had actually seen Caylee on the 16th, based on the contradictory description of what he said Caylee was wearing (compared to what was found @ the crime scene).

Confusion & contradictions are not a good thing when trying to decide who to trust.

If I was a juror, I might not trust what the family members have testified to, and I might decide that what the DT has alleged has some merit.

True, about the discrepancies. But the jury had the benefit of the early videotapes and 911 calls. They were introduced to the family and heard Cindy's hauntingly painful pleas for help in finding her granddaughter. That is shown back to back with Casey's lies that she just talked to Caylee and she is 'fine.'

They saw Casey's intricate web of delusional lies, and her petulant bratty attitude, compared to the way her family walked on eggshells when they tried to get info about the baby from her.

There are problems with the exact dates and memories of clothes she last had, but those details pale in comparison with Casey's horrid, cold hearted lies. imoo

 

[3doglady]

"KC's life in jail" on Fox.

 

[katydid23]

KC Anthony. Nothing she does or has done makes sense.

Does it make sense that her own mother claims she didn't know KC was pregnant - and not only pregnant, but in her 3rd trimester & noticeably pregnant to everyone but her? Makes no sense at all.

There's a lot about this family that doesn't make sense.

I do not think those two situations are comparable. What I mean is, plenty of parents might want to 'hide' their 20 yr old's out of wedlock pregnancy from the family, or even from themselves, for awhile. But that is not the same thing as
NOT CALLING FOR EMERGENCY MEDICAL CARE FOR A DYING CHILD. imoo
'

 

[3doglady]

Ha, KC bought an eyebrow pencil recently.

 

[Phoebeb]

"KC's life in jail" on Fox.

Thanks so much- this is interesting. What an ugly, cold place...

 

[Nefriahaia]

KC Anthony. Nothing she does or has done makes sense.

Does it make sense that her own mother claims she didn't know KC was pregnant - and not only pregnant, but in her 3rd trimester & noticeably pregnant to everyone but her? Makes no sense at all.

There's a lot about this family that doesn't make sense.

It's never made sense to me how CA never DEMANDED to meet Zanny the nanny. As involved as she was in Caylee's day to day life, and the way she tried to micromanage ICA's you would think she would be personally introduced and involved with whoever had such a close relationship with her precious granddaughter. :waitasec:

 

[3doglady]

Thanks so much- this is interesting. What an ugly, cold place...

Wow, 74 inmates accused of murder in that one jail.