2011.06.18 Sidebar Thread (Trial Day Twenty-Two)

[countzero]

ITA about Padilla. I guess he's considered good for the ratings, since EVERYONE has him on to share his wild and incredible claims and opinions. In the course of the trial I've gone from taking him with a ton of salt to not believing a word he says. I wish he'd go away too, but sadly I don't think he will. :sick:

moo

I always think back to the thread here by Rob, his nephew. Rob said Lennie spoke with JB on regular basis. Tracy sent cards and money to ICA. Lennie is nothing more than JBs mouthpiece now.

Hopefully someone will post a link to the threads of the discussions Rob had here with us. I don't remember what nick he used.

 

[21merc7]

I always think back to the thread here by Rob, his nephew. Rob said Lennie spoke with JB on regular basis. Tracy sent cards and money to ICA. Lennie is nothing more than JBs mouthpiece now.

Hopefully someone will post a link to the threads of the discussions Rob had here with us. I don't remember what nick he used.

countzero;

Is this the link you are looking for?

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70440&highlight=padilla+chat

 

[Wishbone]

BBM:

Wise words, logicalgirl! It really does take time to acquire wisdom, doesn't it? We could be born smart, but life learning results in wisdom.

Good judgment is the result of experience and that usually comes as a result of bad judgment. So it seems in my case anyway........so hard to listen and learn from others. I do believe the human race is under the curse of experiential knowledge.

 

[Cubby]

While I agree that this article is an excellent, thought provoking, look at Florida's criminal justice system regarding crimes against our children, I can in no way agree with the examples given as validation of why Casey Anthony does not deserve the death penalty.

Frankly, cases like Casey Anthony and the one cited for Richard Adams in 1998 reinforces my belief that these monsters do NOT deserve to breath the same air as our children.



Hello my friend, it's been a long time. While I can see your logic and could certainly accept LWOP as a consequence for her crime, if wrapping her own child's mouth and nose with duct tape and placing her possibly still living little body in two garbage bags and a laundry bag doesn't deserve the DP, what does?

:seeya: Concerned Papa. You may have missed the first line of my post you quoted. Copying it here: "I don't want ICA to get the DP but not because she doesn't deserve it. "

I do think she deserves the DP, however personally I would get far more satisfaction if she gets LWOP because I know it won't be a cake walk for her being in the GP. I'd like her to get the full experience of prison life and all that comes with it by being part of the GP. I probably can't be more specific about all that I would like her to experience in the GP without getting a TO, so I will refrain from additional detailed comment. :innocent:

 

[grammieto5]

Ted Tuner doesn't care about sloppy journalism. It is the ratings all the news media care about. Higher ratings = big bucks for commercials. Turner is no different than any of these owners/corporations in the media world. I firmly believe this is one reason why Nancy has excessive amounts of commercials. The show needs them to pay for it. How many "seen on tv" commercials are needed; more than I can stand watch apparently.

I am one who flatly refuses to watch the majority of them. NBC and their sister channels aren't even programmed in the favorite channels listings on my FIOS tv. Nor is CNN or their sister channels. I have to physically punch the remote to get one.

AH yes Ted Turner, I do remember him from long ago, along with Jane Fonda, (a whole other issue there) I also do not watch any of these shows. They are not in my favorites either! I know it's been over a year since I've watched NG! I am glad she is an advocate for the missing, but she could do the same without being so rude. I do like how she tells about the ones killed in the wars. I think she still does that???

 

[KathrynL]

I always think back to the thread here by Rob, his nephew. Rob said Lennie spoke with JB on regular basis. Tracy sent cards and money to ICA. Lennie is nothing more than JBs mouthpiece now.

Hopefully someone will post a link to the threads of the discussions Rob had here with us. I don't remember what nick he used.

I would like to see that. I didn't follow the case after the end of 2008. I went into watching the trial with very little knowledge of what went on between then and the actual trial starting. I hadn't watched NG for years, quit Courttv when they became trutv, etc. I do recall thinking of Padilla as a....character...back when he bailed her out. Thanks for giving me some background I didn't have. :seeya:

 

[grammieto5]

Too bad the rest of their viewers can't figure this out on their own (hey Sheba, you reading this :floorlaugh . Far too many folks take these media *advertiser censored* word as gospel truth without question or investigating the facts on their own and draw common sense conclusions.

My grandson was the first who told me about Caylee missing he was 15 at the time. I had Fox on and then found Nancy. I surfed the web finding other sites with info. Finally in late July I found WS. I joined shortly after I could not stomach being on another site and have been here since.

WOW I could have written your post My Daughters told me about baby Caylee. I knew nothing about it. It started out by my daughters asking me what would I do if I hadn't seen my G-daughter for 31 days. For me it would not have been 1 day, especially if she lived with me. And you better believe I would have known everyone who watched her. I can't even remember how I found WS, I'm very happy I did. I only read here, I didn't even know there were other sites until a few days ago LOL. I tell everyone who repeats what they hear on the news to look up WS if they want to know the truth. I remember Court TV, I remember watching the VanDam trial. I prefer watching the murder of baby Caylee trial on line and reading here at the same time.

 

[Macushla]

I really hope at least one or two of the jurors will talk about the case after it is all over and done with. I would love to know what they thought of all that went on, all the different witnesses, who did they believe or not believe and why? What was their opinion of the attorneys on both sides at the beginning and the and of the trial? Did they find themselves thinking ( as many of us here did) as the evidence unfolded, why in the world didn't she just fess up in the beginning? I will devour each and every comment by a member of this jury avidly and hope for more. I would even buy a book if one of them wrote one. I want to know every single thought they have had from start to finish. I know, I know, I am shooting for the moon! I will settle for a good long interview rather soon after they finish.

 

[TwiceIrish]

Your statements IMO are admirable and I really thank you for your thoughts.

I learned later in life, when I struggled with "my realities" that I should go back and examine my "core belief" about something.

Yours is"mother's are set-up to biologically setup to protect our children" and I agree with you. But I do not agree with the core belief that "All Mother's are set up...etc.) because clearly they are not. We would have no dead children, no abused and abandoned children, no children who are drug addicted, etc.

So, if you changed your core belief to "Most women are biologically setup to protect our children" - you may, like me, find some peace about mother's who kill. I now look for the reasons behind it, but I don't hesitate in my belief that they should receive the ultimate punishment for the ultimate betrayal.

Perhaps what I posted was a bit *sloppy* and ambiguous. To clarify, I believe most mothers are biologically set up to protect their children.

IMO, the ones who do what ICA has done are monsters and are freaks of nature.

I have no doubt of her guilt and agree she should receive the ultimate punishment.

I still find it incomprehensible that any mother or human being could do such things to a defenseless child...that doesn't mean I do not believe these crimes happen.

I know it happens from first hand experience. I can also tell you that many people in my own personal circle of family and friends did not/could not/would not believe that the person who committed the crime against my daughter actually did it.

I initially responded to a poster who stated they could not understand why so many people can't believe ICA did what she did. Imo, many people find it hard to believe the evil some are capable of...especially due to the fact she was the child's mother.

 

[Tipstaff]

Don't care if ICA gets the DP or LWOP but do care that she NEVER has another child.

 

[Leila]

I agree - I was mesmerized by Dr. Spitz testimony and particularly JA's cross yesterday morning, and cannot understand why no one is reporting the real facts. I find it absolutely shocking. As a Canadian, I resent the blackout we have on testimony during a trial - which is released after the verdict. What is the point of "free press" when it's clearly not "free" at all.

Perhaps it's me - I translate "free press" as meaning "freedom of the press" meaning the ability to report the truth. It seems like it means the ability to report complete slanted rubbish. And I mean not trash, but rubbish, because it is rotten and stinks!:rocker:

And the press is persuading people to believe that yesterday the prosecution took a huge blow to it's case.

I have a neighbor whose not able to live stream the trial. She and her husband travel a lot she's got a laptop that's on some sort of dial-up. So she watches the trial on television, but yesterday she missed about half of the coverage and watched HLN to catch up. She called me last night and said......"This is terrible for the prosecution - they've lost the case!"

I told her that's not the case, that Dr. Spitz really didn't do well at all. I sent her the link to Bill Shaeffer's analysis of yesterday's court session, and told her to try it. If her laptop won't play it, I told her to drop by today and she can watch it on my computer.

 

[Just K]

The duct tape fits right in. She put it over her mouth to keep her from screaming if she did wake up and the fourth piece bound her wrists. I don't think she realized that the tape covered both her mouth and nose and could be what possibly killed her. ICA was simply trying to keep her quiet.

Caylee may have awakened, squirmed about in the trunk and in an effort to get the tape off of her mouth, perhaps it slid upward and covered her nose as well. Or in her haste, the defendant didn't notice or the worst case scenario, she totally knew what she was doing and that is why she had no phone activity from midnight on the 16/17th (video night) until sometime Thursday AM. Maybe she wanted to make sure that Caylee would die and so she kept herself busy with TL and away from the car until she was fairly certain that Caylee was gone.

Somehow, I feel really bad for TL. He must know that while he was in bed with the defendant that Caylee was dying of suffocation...either through utter abuse & neglect or on purpose...only the defendant knows that for sure.

But we know for certain that The Defendant never did find a babysitter that night so she put Caylee somewhere overnight. The thought has crossed my mind that she actually did this before leaving for TL and could have even taped her up and left her in the playhouse.

 

[Tipstaff]

And the press is persuading people to believe that yesterday the prosecution took a huge blow to it's case.

I have a neighbor whose not able to live stream the trial. She and her husband travel a lot she's got a laptop that's on some sort of dial-up. So she watches the trial on television, but yesterday she missed about half of the coverage and watched HLN to catch up. She called me last night and said......"This is terrible for the prosecution - they've lost the case!"

I told her that's not the case, that Dr. Spitz really didn't do well at all. I sent her the link to Bill Shaeffer's analysis of yesterday's court session, and told her to try it. If her laptop won't play it, I told her to drop by today and she can watch it on my computer.

Think the 24 hours new cycle and shows like JVM, HLN, In-session, plus plain old biased reporting are good reason for jury sequestration. The talking heads actually try to spew such misinformaiton they make me wonder if I heard what I thought I heard. :maddening:

 

[Just K]

I thought Casey was the only one who wore purple on the 17th. I'm pretty sure George and the others were wearing purple on the 16th. That's why we all said Casey was a day late and a dollar short and then we began wondering if she died the 17th and only Casey knew. Now everyone is saying Cindy and George wore purple on the 17th and I don't think that's correct.

GA definitely had on a light lavender shirt. CA had on a dress that looked black & white to me.

 

[mck16]

QUESTION: I know ICA has been in jail for 3 years charged with capital murder right? What evidense did the grand jury have at that time to indite her on murder charges? That was before CA was even found. tia

 

[kant]

wow trying to catch up. Not sure where to ask/say this.

Do you guys recall in Oct (end of Oct?) 2008 or whatever time it was that George was seen meandering around the area where Caylee was later found and there was not that formal group search going on at the time; it was George... alone... meandering.

wow, I have catching up to do; I missed chunks of things.

Also, I thought it was weird that the prosecution asked George if he molested Casey, but didnt ask Lee the same when he was on the stand that time.

 

[mck16]

wow trying to catch up. Not sure where to ask/say this.

Do you guys recall in Oct (end of Oct?) 2008 or whatever time it was that George was seen meandering around the area where Caylee was later found and there was not that formal group search going on at the time; it was George... alone... meandering.

wow, I have catching up to do; I missed chunks of things.

Also, I thought it was weird that the prosecution asked George if he molested Casey, but didnt ask Lee the same when he was on the stand that time.

I thought it was strange also. But, maybe because the DT is trying to tie GA to the drowning and being there with ICA. Don't know. jmo

 

[lookieloo]

I recall George out looking alone, but it was not in that area. Was it nearer the airport or on some road near there? If the prosecution did not ask Lee about molestation, there must have been a reason - so the defense couldn't cross on it? Don't know why though, it's most likely not true.

 

[Cubby]

Caylee may have awakened, squirmed about in the trunk and in an effort to get the tape off of her mouth, perhaps it slid upward and covered her nose as well. Or in her haste, the defedant didn't notice or the worst case scenario, she totally knew what she was doing and that is why she had no phone activity from midnight on the 16/17th (video night) until sometime Thursday AM. Maybe she wanted to make sure that Caylee would die and so she kept herself busy with TL and away from the car until she was fairly certain that Caylee was gone.

Somehow, I feel really bad for TL. He must know that while he was in bed with the defendant that Caylee was dying of suffocation...either through utter abuse & neglect or on purpose...only the defendant knows that for sure.

But we know for certain that The Defendant never did find a babysitter that night so she put Caylee somewhere overnight. The thought has crossed my mind that she actually did this before leaving for TL and could have even taped her up and left her in the playhouse.

BBM. Caylee was probably suffocating while they were at blockbuster choosing movies and in the process of decomposing while they were in bed together. I'll bet it made TL take a long hard look at choosing to remain in a sexual relationship with someone he knew from the get go was not the girl for him. Sad and difficult way to learn that lesson, but it is what it is.

JMO

ETA: Ultimately it was ICA's choice to remain in the relationship after that news and by no means do I mean to imply TL has any responsiblity in what happened to Caylee. It is simply a difficult place for him to be in knowing what choice ICA made after him disclosing to her he did not wish to be a parent........

 

[kant]

Thanks, Lookie and Mck16

So,Mck from your response, the DT DID mention George's meandering? or not yet? (or maybe not at all) As I said, trying to catch up.

I will look for one of those news clips from back in the day, but IIRC, (and maybe I dont recall right) that George was in the remains' area bc I recall thinkin .... hmmmmm. Need to find the clip.

About asking George and not Lee on the stand about molestation....

Ok - hypothetically only, what if Lee DID molest her and the prosecution doesnt want that out there bc that would likely help DT so they didnt ask? Im not an atty, so the strategery [tm /George W. Bush, bless his mispronouncing-things heart] the strategy escapes me.

Now, off to find that clip about George's meandering.