2011.06.30 Sidebar Thread (Trial Day Thirty-Two)

[Jstc4caylee]

But does the State want to impeach CA? Because wouldn't that include ALL of her testimony? I don't know if you can impeach someone for a particular section of testimony or not....

Why wouldn't the State just let the evidence of her lying stand along? Particularly if they have clear evidence of it?

If I heard him right, he would instruct the jury they could believe or disbelieve any or all of it...

 

[21merc7]

He did say yes (JB) and the judge went into Officer of the Court stuff - so after court is over JB might get some serious reprimands or whatever a 'lawyer' like JB would get.

Ah, I missed the officer of the Court part. Had to answer the phone at work. Yep, that is going on the heap.

Thank you!

 

[MustlyLurking]

I did get to see that part, and if JB would have answered yes, there would be big issues. An attorney cannot knowingly put a witness on the stand that is going to lie. What legal repercussions? I am not sure, I would hope it would just go into the heap o' pile o' carp HHJP could file at the end of trial against JB. Don't know if it would have stopped the trial, but seems it could have. Will have to wait for an attorney on that one.

JB did say yes, that he knew what CA would say before she got up there. He tried very hard not to admit it, but eventually he could no longer avoid HHJBP's questions. The question, however, was more like, did you know CA would say that her time sheet was incorrect. BUT, JB did not say that he knew CA would be lying, or intentionally committing perjury.

 

[Purple Iris]

Just jumping off your post. IMHO KC is going to take advantage of all the men that write to her in prison. Perhaps even some women. Any contact she has with anyone in prison will also be prey for her need of attention. JMHO

She'll do fine with all of her new pen-pals that she will aquire.

I had a cousin that was really taken with "prisoners".
She went as far as moving to Florida to be "near him".

These men, {at least the ones that she communicated with}, will make little notebooks and put their name and info in it for other inmates to send to their "penpals".

They tell these woman everything that they want to hear - pry info out of them on their wants, needs, etc.
Lo and behold, it isn't long, and these are the things that are promised to them as soon as they are released.
All innocent, all set up convictions, etc.
It doesn't take long for them to start asking for money, then, demanding it. It was always a matter of "Life & Death". If she didn't send him money out of her next check, someone was always after him for one thing or another.

He eventually had her cashing phoney tax returns for him. Tax return info are NOT allowed to be opened by the prison, and there was quite the scam of this taking place in about 10-12 states in the 90's, to which he was also included.
The returns, with phoney names were sent to her to cash and give to him.

When her living became tip-to-tip, and she was running a drop cord to her neighbor for electricty, and filling milk jugs for water, she told him that she just couldn't send any more money.

That was the end of their relationship. He accused her not loving him, and to not write anymore if she didn't send or bring him money.

Now, this was the 3rd guy in prison that she fell for ~ Same stories, all were going to buy her the car/SUV that she wanted, build her a log cabin in the mountians, etc.
She found out that 2 of them were married, and they all had numerous "loves of their lifes".

Casey won't have a problem at all cashing in.
She aldready has bragged about the men that were writing to her in jail, and, prison won't be any differant.
She'll just be more famous and will be able to demand more I'm sure, IMO.

 

[21merc7]

So I've skimmed over all the videos on wftv but still don't know if court will be in session tomorrow or not? Can someone tell me please?

Court tomorrow 9 a.m.

 

[Nova24]

What is JB asking for? I would think Gentiva would put a rush on it for the court.

 

[Tipstaff]

So I've skimmed over all the videos on wftv but still don't know if court will be in session tomorrow or not? Can someone tell me please?

Yes, 9 AM for court, 8 30 AM for Lawyers issues.

 

[logicalgirl]

I think she should be charged with perjury after this trial.

Not sure if this is allowed but Pat Brown stated it on her FB page and I totally agree with her.

<paraphrasing>

It's time perjury is taken seriously. People lying to the police and to the jury and everyone making light of it like. Lying costs money and it perverts justice.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=581104318

I wish I could remember what legal page I was reading, but it's all a blur lately, that perjury charges are almost never pursued - and when they are it is with government officials and politicians. But the low numbers were really startling.

Apparently it is hard to prove and very time consuming because you have to prove intent and gain.

 

[Horace Finklestein]

Just not sure KG had killing one's own child in mind.

Either way there's nothing wrong with judging a person's actions imo. We all do it every day and it's part of how we get through life.

 

[MissJames]

QueenD,
I'm sorry, I'm not sure exactly. He was arguing something in front of the judge, I had just walked in the door so missed what happened before. I don't think he was doing or saying anything that would make someone do that, though.

The guy was clearly doing it for the camera. Here's my take on what happened.I think he was texting someone who could see him on tv or the computer. Either he was dared to do it or he thought it would be funny to do it when he had people watching him.
It was really stupid,but it wasn't overtly obvious.
JP did the right thing .If you come into a courtroom you must keep certain standards.

 

[Jetaime]

http://www.wftv.com/video/28411352/index.html


@3:30 is the bird flipper.

Thank you! I was under the impression this happened when the jury was present- but this was while they were discussing the 'paint' cans. Glad to know that wasnt the case.

 

[Horace Finklestein]

It's okay HF - it's about people judging people in general not about condoning behavior. It's about having compassion but it doesn't have anything to do with crime and punishment.

So basically he is saying don't gossip, don't criticize because we are one, and if that person is "low" so are you. It's about compassion, not justice.

I completely disagree with that then.

 

[erinleigh]

if jean c says one more time that the duct tape could have been embedded in the hair mat by the RK moving the skull i will scream. hope the jury isnt this gullible. is she serious?

 

[~n/t~]

There's no proof Cindy lied.

I think she did lie, but it's not provable. Cindy didn't say that she made those searches; she gave herself wiggle room.

How do you think the State or HHJP can prove Cindy lied?

There's the rub.

I don't have the transcripts to the depositions so I will state this is in my opinion from what I recall. She did NOT say she looked up chloroform. She said she looked up chlorophyll. She did NOT say she was at home during the days specific to the searches on the computer. She said she was at work.

If that's not lying, I don't know what is. Wait. Maybe it's half truth or mistruth. Anthony talk.

 

[logicalgirl]

Either way there's nothing wrong with judging a person's actions imo. We all do it every day and it's part of how we get through life.

Here's the tough part about that and this is most definitely NOT directed at you my friend.

Human behaviourists tell us that judging is a form of personal ego-stroking as in I'm better than you are and this proves it. A way of "feeling good" about ourselves or "superior" when we actually feel "inferior"....for whatever reason.

And you know - judge not, lest ye yourself be judged...that sort of thing.

 

[allycat1208]

Regarding the video of that guy giving Ashton the finger, it did look like he gave him the finger, but I think if he wanted to he could have played ignorant to what he did. If the judge would have told him "It looked like you gave Ashton the finger.", he could have said it just looks that way but I never did do that. I wonder what the judge would have said.

 

[faefrost]

He did say yes (JB) and the judge went into Officer of the Court stuff - so after court is over JB might get some serious reprimands or whatever a 'lawyer' like JB would get.

I think the expression on HHJP's face pretty much said "I don't have enough to prove absolutely that you knowingly suborned perjury on the stand, Yet! But once this is all over there will be a reckoning."

 

[imawitch]

if jean c says one more time that the duct tape could have been embedded in the hair mat by the RK moving the skull i will scream. hope the jury isnt this gullible. is she serious?

I used to like Jean C..but since this trial started she has become wishy washy..she says one thing durring the day, and then at night on ng she says another..dont worry, her veiws will change tonite on ng, jmho lol

 

[Purple Iris]

So I've skimmed over all the videos on wftv but still don't know if court will be in session tomorrow or not? Can someone tell me please?

Yep, same time, same place, same channels!!
The show will go on as scheduled - 8:30 for "housekeeping issues", and straight up 9 for the big bang.

 

[2door73chevy]

Does anyone have a ballpark figure they want to throw out when ALL will be over? TIA