A&E The Killing Season Episodes 1 and 2

[waltzingmatilda]

Good day all, I am new to this site but I have been interested in the LISK case for some time. Just throwing it out there but has anyone explored the possibility that the recent murder of Karina Vetrano is somehow connected? Queens has been mentioned a lot and Howard beach is only 30 miles west of Gilgo beach, not to mention they both contain the name beach. Also, another cold case (disappearance but never confirmed dead) that I wanted to mention was that of Carla Vincentini who disappeared from Newark in 2006; it seems that LISK had been operating around that time, preying on one woman every year (or every other year), at least beginning in 2007, but possibly even much earlier than that for all we know. Carla had last been seen walking out of a Newark bar in the Ironbound area (heavily populated by Brazilians and Portuguese) with who was reported by the media to be "a white male of unknown nationality, approximately 30 years old, 5-foot-8 and about 200 pounds. He had a fair complexion, with light eyes and short, salt and pepper hair" see the link below...

http://www.nj.com/essex/index.ssf/2015/02/nine_years_after_disappearance_fbi_renewing_campai.html

I have no clue nor am I suggesting that Carla was a sex worker but it is common knowledge that the Ironbound does have a lot of working girls who either advertise their services online or work in one of the many local go-go bars. Again, I am not suggesting this was the case with Carla but I simply wanted to mention her name since her disappearance was only a year before that of Maureen Brainard-Barnes and she at least seems to share some similar physical & demographic characteristics with some of the other girls who have been murdered. At the time of her disappearance, she was 22, was 5' 7" and weighed approximately 140lbs; her physical characteristics (even hair color is very similar) as well as her age are strikingly similar to that of Megan Waterman.

Welcome, rickyperez, I have considered the possibility of a connection between LISK and Carla's and Karina's disapperance. but I just haven't had time to sleuth it. Keep digging. you never know if you are onto something.

 

[Tssiemer]

I think LISK has been long gone from the area.


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[FindHG]

Re: Burlap evidence (posting to read later)

https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/a...ence-communications/fsc/july2000/deedric3.htm

http://www2.rcscsd.org/forensics/files/L_07x01_Identification Of Fibers.pdf

http://phys.org/news/2013-10-forensic-technique-fibers.html


Gruesome question, I apologize in advance for the discomfort it could cause:

Were the body parts found all of the size that would fit in a canoe?

 

[Adam31]

I am new to all this but my question is, can they not go back and look at Craig's list or backpage? First to check on people who viewed the adds of those girls who have been killed? Second if they can get a list of those who viewed those adds could they get an IP address of those individuals? I know on FB and such you can view those people who have looked at a FB page when you are selling something.

 

[Tssiemer]

Were all the women found that were identified reported missing?


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[rickyperez]

I am new to all this but my question is, can they not go back and look at Craig's list or backpage? First to check on people who viewed the adds of those girls who have been killed? Second if they can get a list of those who viewed those adds could they get an IP address of those individuals? I know on FB and such you can view those people who have looked at a FB page when you are selling something.

I would think if the criminal profilers have called LISK tech savy and have even speculated that he may have knowledge of how LE operates, it must be for a reason. I would imagine any internet surfing he does, including craigslist or backpage, would have been done through TOR browser, thus masking his IP address. That's why when I watched the show this past weekend and I saw that they focused on the wiki edits with the IP address identifiers, I kind of thought it wouldn't lead to anything viable because how could he be so sloppy to edit something that could so easily be traced back to him. If this guy is smart enough not to leave behind any physical evidence that can ID him plus he knew what the cops would be doing when he called the relative of the one victim, I am sure he was smart enough to mask his IP address when he searched these girls ads. If it were that simple, they could simply check each of the 4 LISK victim's internet posts for a reoccurring IP address hit. In other words, I don't think its simply because he knew to hang up before his phone calls could be traced or he knew to call from a congested area, those things you learn from watching movies lol! I think there is a lot more they haven't released as a result of their investigation and its also why he hasn't been caught.

 

[waltzingmatilda]

Just seems like an odd choice...what benefits does burlap offer as opposed to plastic or some random suitcase? It seems to be a matter of accessibility or convenience for LISK, no? Also, I can guarantee that burlap is used much less often for most; you won't find many people living in NYC or in many urban areas with burlap, especially enough of it to dispose of 4 separate bodies in. Yes, someone living on Long Island could potentially have a use for burlap but if LISK was so smart, why use a material that is used for specific purposes as opposed to a material or item that has a much more general use like plastic bags, trash cans or suitcases...it seems that he did so because it was readily available for him, whether it be because it was in his garage or he had some at work. I still wonder why the burlap couldn't be traced at least to some degree.

Either way, he had to go and move/dispose of the bodies regardless and I don't think that burlap in particular would have made it easier or particularly advantageous when doing so.

I just think that LISK thought he was planting his own demented girl garden along a dark stretch of hwy and he has a vehicle that wouldn't cause suspicion if he were spotted throwing 'rolls of burlap' along OP. His is able to drive by and see his 'work' that way. He travels and kills in other locations IMO, but LI is his home turf. I dont think for a NY minute that the GB4 are his only victims. But I'm not so sure that LISK is the Manorville butcher or dismemberer. Just some of my rambling thoughts.

 

[Adam31]

Burlap would take longer to decompose and probably used so animals or bugs would have a more difficult time getting into and eating the body. It allowed time for the bodies to be discovered as well without them smelling and someone discovering the bodies within a few days of them being dumped. Serial Killers want to be seen through their acts so if the bodies decompose or if animals eat them then they would go unnoticed and not get the attention they are looking for. Being discovered to quick would possibly leave to much evidence behind and would force the killer to find other dumping spots
In response to the burlap comment above

 

[stx722]

I do wonder however if LISK has met up with women on backpage or some other escort site but did not kill them for whatever reason, leaving the possibility that other sex workers have encountered LISK and did not even know it.

RSBM.

To me, this is highly likely. I would put the possibility above 80 percent. No numbers to back this up, but I think this is another part of the game.

I think LISK is all about power and control. He controls the situation, the environment, the timing, the victim, etc. At least in his mind.
I also think he is not really in control of any of it, in reality.

MOO

 

[Tssiemer]

Burlap would take longer to decompose and probably used so animals or bugs would have a more difficult time getting into and eating the body. It allowed time for the bodies to be discovered as well without them smelling and someone discovering the bodies within a few days of them being dumped

Maybe he revisited them


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[stx722]

Can the person that posted about times when victims were dumped (during the day according to the poster), elaborate?

Was this info posted anywhere? How would it be possible to determine time of day when a body was dumped somewhere?

nm...found it...

GB4 victims 2, 3 & 4 were put there during daylight hours. It wasn't in the pitch black of night.
The male victim who might be the missing exchange student. They know his name, do reverse dna test on the parents against the John Doe.

Can you elaborate? This is interesting to me.

 

[rickyperez]

I just think that LISK thought he was planting his own demented girl garden along a dark stretch of hwy and he has a vehicle that wouldn't cause suspicion if he were spotted throwing 'rolls of burlap' along OP. His is able to drive by and see his 'work' that way. He travels and kills in other locations IMO, but LI is his home turf. I dont think for a NY minute that the GB4 are his only victims. But I'm not so sure that LISK is the Manorville butcher or dismemberer. Just some of my rambling thoughts.

Good points, I agree with everything you are saying but I still believe that him having used burlap, regardless of the reason, could have been a huge lead and mistake, although I guess it hasn't proven to be thus far. Does anyone know how long it took for the FBI to get involved in the case? I read that it assisted unofficially for some time but didn't officially join the investigation until much later on, is this true?

 

[stx722]

Burlap isn't that uncommon. You can buy it by the yard at some outdoor stores, fabric store, etc. After a fashion, you could even make your own bag or sack without too much effort. Not sure that's what happened in this case, but the stuff isn't rare or anything. I tend to think what others have said; LISK had ready access to it at some point.

 

[rickyperez]

I am not saying its uncommon but I can guarantee that the majority of people living in urban areas wouldn't seek out or have use for burlap. You aren't going to walk into a typical apartment in Manhattan, Queens etc and find enough burlap to dispose of 4 bodies. Yes, on Long Island one may have burlap for landscaping purposes but like I said, it seems like an odd choice...yes, I think he had access to it and thats why he used it....it could also be that he used it arbitrarily to confuse the heck out of everyone. Ultimately, my point is that he had to get the burlap from some place...you can't walk into CVS or the local supermarket and buy burlap... I would think that the burlap could have lead to some clue as to where it was obtained...whether it be a local hardware store or landscaping company that used a particular brand of burlap.

 

[rickyperez]

Burlap isn't that uncommon. You can buy it by the yard at some outdoor stores, fabric store, etc. After a fashion, you could even make your own bag or sack without too much effort. Not sure that's what happened in this case, but the stuff isn't rare or anything. I tend to think what others have said; LISK had ready access to it at some point.

I have lived in the NYC area my entire life and I have literally come in contact with burlap maybe once or twice my entire life (my backyard is concrete lol). I think if you live in certain parts where you use burlap for specific purposes such as landscaping etc., you will encounter it much more often but it definitely isn't plastic and it definitely isn't as prevalent.

 

[jenves]

According to Amazon you can buy a 4 pack of used coffee burlap bags 28"x40" for less than 9 bucks+shipping.


Not related to the case but one of the reviews stands out to me.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00M...rial_browse:1289510011&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65

 

[rickyperez]

According to Amazon you can buy a 4 pack of used coffee burlap bags 28"x40" for less than 9 bucks+shipping.


Not related to the case but one of the reviews stands out to me.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00M...rial_browse:1289510011&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65

I would imagine that the burlap used by LISK could have been traced, especially with blatant markings, whether it be to amazon or home depot....not sure but maybe...if that were the case, it would have narrowed things down a bit...

 

[coffeeandacig]

Thanks guys. I remembered reading that article YEARS ago but had forgotten about it. I'm going to ask Todd Matthews about the tattoo... see if it was ever put into NamUS

Thanks so much Danse. Btw...Plantation FL responded to my email today, and have forwarded the information to the Detective assigned to Colleen's case.

 

[eyesonly]

Can the person that posted about times when victims were dumped (during the day according to the poster), elaborate?

Was this info posted anywhere? How would it be possible to determine time of day when a body was dumped somewhere?

nm...found it...



Can you elaborate? This is interesting to me.

Daylight hours means enough light to be able to see his previous dumps as he is in the act of dumping. He wanted them to be able to see him as well as he was dumping a new victim.

 

[twocuriouscats]

WOW! Great job Rachel and Josh! It was awesome that you ran around with your camera showing us the sites that we've read so much about! Very respectful of the girls and families too. You did a most excellent job! Can't wait for the rest! Peter Brendt was a great addition (he really upped the creepy factor - in a good way)!

BTW, a warm welcome to the newb's!