a view from the inside: observations from our own court observers #4

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MeeBee said:
Oooooh, thanks. Should have read the whole thread :doh:
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:seeya: I speed read and miss stuff all the time. I figure it helps keep you guys on your toes to have to correct me. :floorlaugh:
 
PASA said:
I don't think the Scott Peterson trial was televised. CourtTV tried to get cameras in but were denied. KCL will know, she attended that trial with Jordy.
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Yup no cameras in Peterson. I think some cameras might have been in there on some hearings early on but the actual trial, no.
 
PASA said:
I don't think the Scott Peterson trial was televised. CourtTV tried to get cameras in but were denied. KCL will know, she attended that trial with Jordy.
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Maybe it was photos of him in court then, but I swear I saw him gawking to the cameras.
 
katiedid2 said:
The interrogation tape (new) they played on HLN
Jodi crying and Flores asks her! If it was FINALY hitting her! She says no im crying because of everything I'm going to miss out on!
Not verbatim
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It reminds me of one of the Brady Bunch movies when, after finding out that her parents' wedding would have to be cancelled, Marsha wails something like: "Now I'll NEVER get to wear my new barrette!!"

It's "JODI, JODI, JODI!!" all the time with that girl.
 
Sydni said:
This is absolutely sick!!! How is she smuggling these photos out to someone? I'm sure it should be a crime of some sort, or at least breaking the rules of an incarcerated person?

Perhaps our members who are "Officers of the Court" may have some idea of the legality of this???
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It's not a crime. She hasn't been convicted ... Yet:)




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Just wanted to toss out my opinion on her "equine" drawing... The girl would benefit by studying anatomy! She doesn't understand it and her drawings reflect her lack of study. IMO

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PASA said:
Same here. I have seen Forensic Files a number of times, but I would rather watch those than some of the stupid carp on network. I do like Survivor and Dancing With The Stars. Haven't watched either this season due to the trial. :)

I wish OWN or someone would pick up live trials and give Beth a job. She's too good to be unemployed. Oprah gave Dr. Phil and Dr. Oz their start, why not Beth with a legal type show.
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Super idea... I wonder if legal show such as In Session is cost prohibitive.. may be why HLN is running such an ungodly number of commercials. But this has to be this highest ratings they have had.
 
katiecoolady said:
He is a hired gun to render an opinion that excuses this premeditated homicide.
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Too true. Just because something is premeditated doesn't mean it's LOGICAL or UNEMOTIONAL. This went waaaay beyond just being prepared. She was even prepared with TWO different weapons in case one of them failed (or just because she WANTED to use two weapons on him)!
 
Clue Finder 55 said:
On top of that there has never been anyone who testified that they either had seen marks from any physical abuse( which she would have taken pictures of).
There was no one that ever seen any verbal abuse other than a normal couple argument.
There was never a call to police about anything.
There has been nothing but fabricated verbal testimoney from her as to any abuse.
There is no solid evidence of any kind that would prove she acted in self defence enough to use deadly force.
Quilty
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Just her word. Fabricated testimony and MM. Who seems to have disappeared off the face of the earth and internet.

moo
 
katiecoolady said:
I'm going to share a piece of why I sit in the courtroom with the family offering support. For those who haven't seen it, this is a Victim Impact Statement I wrote in 2009 after one of my sister's killers was released from Death Row on a mental retardation claim. So it makes more sense, this hearing for this MR issue (for both of them, not just the one who got it, it was argued for BOTH) lasted 7 years and I'm told cost taxpayers around 10 million dollars. It was decided by ONE Judge who was retiring right after this hearing..actually stayed on just to complete it. She was a known DP opponent and imo, just wanted to go out with letting one person off death row which she did. We tried to get her thrown off due to her multiple expressions of obvious bias thru the AZ Supreme Court but it didn't happen. There's so much more to it but this one part that you will see edited in, speaks to why I do what I do for the Alexander family.

By the way, I was not intending to go give this statement but my attorney contacted me the night before asking if I was going and I said no and she texted back "I think you should be there" so I was up til 2am writing this thing and drove 30 miles alone to read it. These are the reasons Ricki Lake called me a "bad *advertiser censored*".

I'm editing it here to add a little improvisation I did while reading it in court. By the way I had to see him (the killer) for the first time in 18 years and had no idea he would be there. I walked in and sat down and started uncontrollably shaking from head to toe. They kept asking me to slow down as I was reading so fast and shaking. Here it is:

Why have I chosen to take time out of my busy schedule once again to drive to Florence to give this impact statement? I ask myself the same question as I honestly don't think anything I have to say will make much difference or cause much impact toward the decision on resentencing this defendant but the question always is "can I live with myself if certain decisions are made and know I've said nothing?

So, here I am with a few things to say.

I don't intend to get in to the impact this crime itself has had on me personally or on my family. Partly because I don't think it's necessary at this stage and partly because I think it could potentially do more harm than good. I'll let you fill in the blanks on how losing your only
sister/ your oldest daughter on the day before Christmas impacts on a family. To a vicious senseless murder for money.

I will tell you the impact of this particular hearing and decision over the last several years has had and has the potential to have on me and my family.

When the men who murdered my sister in this cold blooded plot were sentenced to death, we were told there were two options in the State of AZ -- Life with the possibility of parole in 25 years and Death which meant they would never get out of prison. Of course, no matter how we might have felt politically about the death penalty, we knew these were young men and would still be as violent and dangerous in 25 years, perhaps more so and the Death Penalty was the only sentence that insured the public's and our safety from them forever. We were
warned that in time, the tables would turn, the victim would be forgotten and the murderers would be seen as victims. Well that time has come, over 20 years after the loss of my sister. It's still hard to fathom but it's the absolute reality now.

I am here to remind the court who the true victim of this crime was, and still is. It was my sister Cindy who was my only sister, fourteen months older than me, whose life was taken for one motive: money. On the day before we were to fly home for Christmas on Christmas eve 1988. I was 29 years old and she was 30. We grew up together with each other to lean on as we lost our mother at a very young age. She was kind and truly an innocent and the defense in both trials could produce no evidence about her in a derogatory way -- there simply was none. She was like a lamb to slaughter with the men who murdered her -- Rudi and Michael Apelt.

The victim was not and still is not the man, Rudi Apelt, who is being resentenced today. The man who wielded the knife that slashed Cindy's throat from ear to ear leaving her to be discovered by a young boy in the desert on Christmas Eve.. Rudi Apelt, who has served another prison sentence for a violent rape of another woman in Germany. Rudi Apelt
who conned many women throughout the Phoenix area during the months prior to the murder of my sister for money, use of their car, a living situation in their home, procurement of goods, all of these actions performed ALONE and not in the presence of his brother or any other familiar person to him. All of these facts are clearly documented in the trial transcripts. He is a violent man, a repeat offender and took the life of my sister for money. I do not believe he demonstrates any signs of mental retardation in the commission of this crime--quite
the contrary, in fact. Sophisticated, calculated and cold-blooded homicide are not adjectives I would ascribe to the mentally retarded.

I am here also to tell you the impact that just this one hearing lasting several years has had on my family. My 78-year-old father was required to testify and cancel a prepaid trip to China because the Court would not consider a 2-week postponement of the original hearing
for this which he was required to testify at. This postponement was the one and only thing my family ever asked of this Court in the many YEARS leading up to this hearing and it was not granted. This was perhaps my father's only opportunity to go to China for the rest of his lfe.
Yet the defense in this case was granted delay after delay over a period of years causing me and my family to be inconvenienced, put plans on hold, prepare ourselves emotionally only to be told yet another delay for the defense for years upon years.

I opened my door one December day, 3 years go, ironically the same day I was planning to decorate my house for Christmas which you can imagine what a task that is for me year after year seeing my sister's bloody body was discovered in the desert on Christmas Eve morning, only to find an advocate for Rudi Apelt misrepresenting herself to me and asking for my cooperation with this very issue--the mental retardation hearing. And this advocate bald-faced lied to me in my own home assuring me that this murderer, if reversed in sentence, would be
resentenced to life WITHOUT parole. Yes of course she knew this was impossible due to sentencing guidelines yet chose to manipulate me in this way. What did I or my family ever do to deserve this kind of treatment? Laws have been changed now to disallow the abuse of victims in this manner in the State of AZ because of this heinous situation I endured.

My father and I endured sitting in a courtroom often being the only representatives on the side of the State while onlookers filled the side of the defendant (I then looked up and saw that EXACT SCENE in this courtroom and said "just like I am seeing here right now" and swept my hand across in a little gesture) hoping obviously to glean some kind of clues for arguing their murderer clients were also mentally retarded to avoid the ultimate penalty.

I have personally learned that in addition to the tides of sympathy swinging away from the murder victim to the murderer over the years that the "worst of the worst" in our society, once on Death Row, receive the "best of the best" when it comes to legal assistance. I am
convinced that a death row inmate has a greater chance of being released from prison than a "lifer" serving a term for a nonviolent crime, simply because more people care about those on Death Row. The murderers also receive free websites which read like singles ads soliciting donations, penpals, wives and the like. When the "serial shooter" claimed to desire the death penalty in his sentencing hearing this year, I completely understood what was motivating him -- and it most certainly wasn't a possibility of execution.

My one consolation with this preposterous ruling/resentencing is that finally Rudi Apelt will receive what he deserves. Which is to be forgotten, finally. I have no doubt that those helping so fervently over the years will drop him like a hot potato once he no longer holds the prestige of Death Row status and he will fade in to the woodwork with all the other violent common criminals in the general population. Until of course we are asked to appear at parole hearings. Then we will be forced to remember him and his violence once again. When do we ever
get to let this go? Do we? (I looked up directly at the defense attorney when I said those last questions).

Finally, I did not come all the way down here with any delusions that my words would have any true impact whatsoever on the outcome of this hearing. Biases have been shown throughout and I hold no fantasies that my family's feelings and wishes will fall in to consideration. Yet let it be known, we all have a certain degree of terror at the thought of
Rudi Apelt ever being released from prison due to a possible switch to concurrent sentences where he could have the possibility of actually being paroled. Yes that terrifies my family and me personally. This again is the man who took my sister in to the desert, and among other
violent acts, slit her throat. Then enjoyed a celebratory meal with his co-murderer/conspirators at a restaurant using her credit card right after commiting the murder. Call it what you want, but I call that nothing but a DANGER TO SOCIETY. His sentences, at the very least,
need to remain CONSECUTIVE to protect society from his violence. Call him mentally retarded, call him an imbecile, call him an idiot savant, whatever you wish. But call his behavior what it has been: VIOLENT and DANGEROUS.

The reason I did come though is in hopes that down the road, whatever decision is reached as a result of this resentencing hearing is REVIEWED by hopefully a non biased individual who has no political agenda at stake. Then that a sound decision will be made then that will prohibit this dangerous individual Rudi Apelt from ever being released from prison again. And to allow me and my family to finally move forward without ever having to worry about him again. And to hopefully get to begin to live a life where we get to focus on remembering my sister's life and not her violent death.

After my reading this the Judge sentenced him to consecutive vs. concurrent 25 to Life sentences (see this "mentally retarded" man is also convicted of CONSPIRACY to commit first degree murder w/ it's own sentence, thank God, other wise he'd be up for parole next year). Our AG told me that he thought that was primarily because of this Impact Statement.
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My God Katie. This made me cry. I can't believe that you had to go through this. It's freekin unbelievable. It's disgusting. Vile. I just can't get my head around such a senseless miss-carriage of justice. It revolts me and makes me so sad!

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Wow, Katiecoolady. Just wow. Your impact statement has me in tears, and chills are running down my arms. Your words were so powerful--you are one strong woman. God bless you & your family. Your sister sounds like she was a wonderful, sweet and giving young woman. Very beautiful.
 
a/k/a me said:
This response alone, revealed to me a clear insight to the man....I now know why he's so into the low self esteem. He's deceived himself into thinking he has overcome it. :floorlaugh:
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He came off as the low-life that he is. He's supposed to be a non-partial professional. That's the best way he can represent his patient. He FAILED. It was immensely obvious that he was not non-partial and that he was not a professional. Besides, didn't he himself declare that in his 35 (you read it here - yes, thirty FIVE year career) he had only ever administered about 15 PTSD tests??? How does that make him an "expert" on anything related to PTSD?

lolz

moo
 
Linda7NJ said:
Just wanted to toss out my opinion on her "equine" drawing... The girl would benefit by studying anatomy! She doesn't understand it and her drawings reflect her lack of study. IMO

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She's so into herself that she even manages to make the horse look like her.

moo
 
Pink Panther said:
My God Katie. This made me cry. I can't believe that you had to go through this. It's freekin unbelievable. It's disgusting. Vile. I just can't get my head around such a senseless miss-carriage of justice. It revolts me and makes me so sad!

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Thank you Sweetie...this is why Ricki Lake called me a "bad *advertiser censored*". It's made me a much stronger person, that's for sure. xo
 
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