Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #189

[GoBuckeyes]

I really hope the State can present the evidence about the gun, and the science behind how it all works, and why a juror should believe them in a clear and easy to follow manner. I’ve read bits about it but there seems to be some conflicts of opinion in what I’ve read as too the legitimacy of the science behind proving a gun matches a bullet cycled through a chamber. I don’t actually understand it as I haven’t spent much time trying to do so as it’s just not something of great interest to me at this time. But I can see how easy it might be for the D to completely flip that issue on its head and confuse the jurors enough to introduce reasonable doubt about this one issue….

I hope the truth about the matter is heard in court, the truth concerning that match or non-match, whichever the case may be. Experts are divided on the topic.

Concerning forensics, take DNA and bite marks. DNA has become accepted and even expected; whereas, forensic odontology has determined bite mark evidence to be unreliable. I guess we'll see in time to which camp this new technique belongs, accepted versus debunked.

Probable cause or conviction based upon junk science, IF that turns out to be the case, isn't justice. moo

 

[GoBuckeyes]

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And I am so curious about the rest of the BG video. The DT seems to really want to suppress or nullify the validation of that video. It might have something very incriminating on it.

I think defense teams, in general, attempt to suppress anything and everything. There may be something significant there, but maybe not. moo

 

[steeltowngirl]

Was Libby in contact with someone online in chat?

And why do you think Libby.

We know Libby was in contact with the anthony_shots profile.
BP confirmed.
"Police have said there (is) DNA," she said. "They have made the comment that there was DNA. I know for a fact that this Anthony Shots account did have contact with Libby. I feel that he knows more than he says."

Family confirms new information in murder case of young girls in Delphi, Indiana

In an interview with Fox News that aired Tuesday, German's grandma, Becky Patty, said police have DNA in the case.

www.wdrb.com

Libby’s grandma speaks out about new revelations in Delphi investigation

Libby German’s grandma, Becky Patty, says she and her family were as stunned as everyone else was when a transcript of an interview investigators did with Kegan Kline went public.

fox59.com

 

[StarryStarryNight]

The videos or interviews that were inadvertently lost have written reports describing what occured during those interviews. MO

Plus the participants are available to testify and be cross examined.

 

[scapa]

This case has become an absolute maze. I've not followed it for a while then read the past 7 pages and have no clue what's going on, or who most of the initialized are anymore. Tentacles indeed.

Hoping for something like a competent trial and safe verdict, though no longer expect the seeming infinity of loose ends to be ever be fully resolved to the satisfaction of most, let alone all. Sooner the better, IMO. Not sure there's been a case in recent memory where delays are more ill advised.

IMO, MOO, IMHO, etc.

 

[steeltowngirl]

Right. But there will be no way to know if their statements have changed.

IMO MOO

RA won’t be convicted based entirely on witness statements. If he is convicted, it will be due to a totality of evidence, proven BARD to a jury.

jmo

 

[Megnut]

Plus the participants are available to testify and be cross examined.

Plus, although unfortunate, it wasn't limited to this case alone. It was across the board, system/equipment dysfunction. It's not like someone intentionally destroyed them.

It's only wishful thinking for the Defense to represent 1. malfeasance and 2. facts not in existence. There's no evidence that what was recorded and lost contains anything exculpatory. In fact, seeing at LE did not pursue any lost interviewees as POIs, it may well reinforce RA's culpability. Revealing why certain subjects were eliminated as possible POIs, leaving no one left but RA.

The lack of recordings did not direct or misdirect the investigation

JMO

 

[susane7]

To Anyone & Everyone:

a: Who do you think was the target that day out of Abby and Libby - and why? Or was it both girls?

Also -

b: What do you feel was the motive?

Here is the catch...

Try not to go off of what you may have read or seen on the news, online websites or in the newspapers since RAs arrest. What is fine to rely on though would be what was released to the public as information in the way of initial news reports before and after the bodies were found, Libby's video and the two drawings that were put out there.

a: Not the girls specifically. Anyone who would fell in his trap. I think it was a mix of a prepared/fantasy crime with random victims. It is also possible that he saw one of the girls on the trails in that moment and target one of them for some reason/fantasy.

b. sexual/thrilling kill/fulfill a fantasy. There does not need to be rape to be a sexual crime.

IMO

 

[grannygates]

To Anyone & Everyone:

a: Who do you think was the target that day out of Abby and Libby - and why? Or was it both girls?

Also -

b: What do you feel was the motive?

Here is the catch...

Try not to go off of what you may have read or seen on the news, online websites or in the newspapers since RAs arrest. What is fine to rely on though would be what was released to the public as information in the way of initial news reports before and after the bodies were found, Libby's video and the two drawings that were put out there.

Just looking at what I believe we know of the crime scene and how Abby was redressed, I would say that I think Abby was the intended target and it was done by a person who knew Abby but didn’t know Libby as well. I think that it was a targeted crime by people who knew they would be at somewhere at a certain time.

As for motive, using what we know, I have no idea! I’m open-minded to whether the “signatures” were real or a diversion tactic. A murder for murdering sake or some “reason”. Hypothetically I do think it’s possible a person could elevate their crimes from murdering animals to then trying out killing humans.

Only with what we know of the crime scene, I think there should be some evidence of escalation somewhere with the killers. I don’t think a person just wakes up one day and does a stranger murder like this out of the blue.

But I’m aware of the IMO inadequate investigation so I think there may be far more options we just don’t know about because they weren’t looked into properly, so I am open minded and not set by one particular group of people or motive.

All MOO

 

[susiQ]

To Anyone & Everyone:

a: Who do you think was the target that day out of Abby and Libby - and why? Or was it both girls?

Also -

b: What do you feel was the motive?

Here is the catch...

Try not to go off of what you may have read or seen on the news, online websites or in the newspapers since RAs arrest. What is fine to rely on though would be what was released to the public as information in the way of initial news reports before and after the bodies were found, Libby's video and the two drawings that were put out there.

I believe both girls were targeted but for different reasons. I cannot elaborate. JMO

 

[WildHuncher]

To Anyone & Everyone:

a: Who do you think was the target that day out of Abby and Libby - and why? Or was it both girls?

Also -

b: What do you feel was the motive?

Here is the catch...

Try not to go off of what you may have read or seen on the news, online websites or in the newspapers since RAs arrest. What is fine to rely on though would be what was released to the public as information in the way of initial news reports before and after the bodies were found, Libby's video and the two drawings that were put out there.

I think he knew Libby would be there, maybe Abby. If Abby’s presence was a surprise, it didn’t forestall the crime. The motive was sexual. He was likely attracted to both. What happened across the creek in the woods is unclear. The trial should help make sense of it.

 

[mrjitty]

everyone will be shook when it turns out none of the big conspiracies are true and RA just went out and did these murders one day.

MOO

 

[TTF14]

everyone will be shook when it turns out none of the big conspiracies are true and RA just went out and did these murders one day.

MOO

That would definitely shake me.

But, it's not gonna happen.

IMO MOO

 

[sunshineray]

To Anyone & Everyone:

a: Who do you think was the target that day out of Abby and Libby - and why? Or was it both girls?

Also -

b: What do you feel was the motive?

Here is the catch...

Try not to go off of what you may have read or seen on the news, online websites or in the newspapers since RAs arrest. What is fine to rely on though would be what was released to the public as information in the way of initial news reports before and after the bodies were found, Libby's video and the two drawings that were put out there.

I think Libby was just expected to be there at first (I believe she was catfished into a meeting, not sure if it was anthony_shots or emilyanne) and Abby coming was thought of by the killer as not a problem, he had a gun and she was a very slight girl.

As far as a motive for the meeting...murder, possible filming it to distributed and make money (Dropbox?) but also for the thrill of the act, maybe a longtime fantasy fulfilled. Just pure evil.

I think the possibility of the killer having a tiny bit of a conscience (ISP Carter mentioned in the April 2019 PC) was in allowing Abby to redress. Killer may have felt a tiny regret about Abby. Hardly any though, he still slit her throat
AJMO

 

[nadia90]

everyone will be shook when it turns out none of the big conspiracies are true and RA just went out and did these murders one day.

MOO

Yes, I'll be asking those folks about it here. They've got DNA and plenty on ra.

Moo

 

[susane7]

everyone will be shook when it turns out none of the big conspiracies are true and RA just went out and did these murders one day.

MOO

Absolutely and alone because a fantasy like so many murders that happens in trails IMO. I think we will find out in this hearings that it is the theory that the prosecutor will present at the trial. It won't surprise me because I always had that theory about BG (but I thought he wasn't from Delphi). Honestly, I think that's why because many people don't want to believe it is RA. They invested so much in many POI'S, huge complicated theories with minimal connections (which is normal in small cities), etc and it happens that it was just a random quiet guy with a sick fantasy who acted one day when he had the opportunity. Nothing complicated, very simple.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

Absolutely and alone because a fantasy like so many murders that happens in trails IMO. I think we will find out in this hearings that it is the theory that the prosecutor will present at the trial. It won't surprise me because I always had that theory about BG (but I thought he wasn't from Delphi). Honestly, I think that's why because many people don't want to believe it is RA. They invested so much in many POI'S, huge complicated theories with minimal connections (which is normal in small cities), etc and it happens that it was just a random quiet guy with a sick fantasy who acted one day when he had the opportunity. Nothing complicated, very simple.

I agree.
I also think maybe subconsciously people don’t want these two beautiful children to have been killed by just some run of the mill pipsqueak pervert.
Sadly, though, they were.

 

[TTF14]

Sadly, though, they were.

There hasn't been a trial yet. No verdict.

(Fact)

 

[susane7]

I agree.
I also think maybe subconsciously people don’t want these two beautiful children to have been killed by just some run of the mill pipsqueak pervert.
Sadly, though, they were.

I agree. its terrifying for any mother, grandmother, father think the possibility that two innocent children walking in nature met a "hunter"/psychopath who killed them randomly because he had the opportunity. That means it could happen to any granddaughter, daughter, to any of us. It is a terrifying thought. So people usually think there has to be some connection between the victims and the killer. Crimes with no connection between victims and the killer are also the most difficult to solve. If RA is BG and the killer - and I think he is- what I also find terrifying is that if he hadn't talked to DD and hadn't say that he was at the trails, the time and the 3 girls that he saw and if there aren't the pics/videos that will probably corroborate that timeline, he would get away with the murders.

 

[grannygates]

Is anyone familiar with another case with a stranger murder where the killer was a local man who murdered 2+ children that he has no connection to, left them on the same property where he found them, (eta: add in staging the crime scene and posing the bodies) with no apparent sexual assault and then came forward to the police as a witness immediately after the crime? I’d be curious if anyone knows if these circumstances have happened in any other cases.

MOO