Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #197

[girlhasnoname]

Do you think the jurors wouldn't be able to look at the unfinished portion directly in front of them and imagine the awfulness of the crime?

No, not in direct comparison to Feb 13th, 2017 at 2:13 pm. The horticultural landscape has changed and grown for over 7 years, that's a lot of time for trees, plants, scrub to grow.

The number of people and cars who may be in or around the area would not be the same as on that day, so the audio topography would also be substantially different.

JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

2 weeks? That's cray cray.

If there isn't a Hail Mary Defense Continuance...

JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

You are correct - I will highlight that in my post below...

Thank you Niner for keeping up with all this stuff for us. I know this case has been a long one and not easy.

 

[ClearAhead]

No, not in direct comparison to Feb 13th, 2017 at 2:13 pm. The horticultural landscape has changed and grown for over 7 years, that's a lot of time for trees, plants, scrub to grow.

The number of people and cars who may be in or around the area would not be the same as on that day, so the audio topography would also be substantially different.

JMO

Even the foliage is very lush at this time of year compared to February which probably yielded clear sight lines from certain spots on the trail to the bridge. We know RA (nor anyone) is not visible anywhere on the bridge behind Abby when Libby took the photo of her posing but he had to have begun his approach having already sighted them on the bridge. JMO MOO

 

[sunshineray]

In regard to the Cass Co./Carroll Co. RA custody location:
I honestly don't know how to react. RA's said to be one of the most high-profile accused murderers in Indiana and yet they have a mix-up on his location and his color. For me, it's just another vote of "NO Confidence" and I think I'll put it in the Carroll Co. box because he's officially their pretrial detainee. MOO

If you look up Richard Allen on IDOC Inmate search there are quite a few, different birth dates, that are black and a couple that are white (not RA). I noticed that awhile back when RA was still at Westville. Maybe one of those got out and rearrested? Just a thought.

 

[girlhasnoname]

If you look up Richard Allen on IDOC Inmate search there are quite a few, different birth dates, that are black and a couple that are white (not RA). I noticed that awhile back when RA was still at Westville. Maybe one of those got out and rearrested? Just a thought.

RA isn't in the custody of IDOC anymore. I think I remember them saying from when the Judge approved RA's Motion to Transfer that they were going to keep his new relocation a secret. (Although we all suspected it was Cass County Detention Center?)

Or am I dreaming this up, this case has got my mind in overload.

JMO

 

[Salah11]

Even the foliage is very lush at this time of year compared to February which probably yielded clear sight lines from certain spots on the trail to the bridge. We know RA (nor anyone) is not visible anywhere on the bridge behind Abby when Libby took the photo of her posing but he had to have begun his approach having already sighted them on the bridge. JMO MOO

I would love to know how he timed that so well with Libby’s photo of Abby. Maybe he just got incredibly lucky that he hadn’t started to cross the bridge yet.

Maybe that’s where the defence should do their job and ask why RA isn’t seen in that first photo of Abby on the bridge. Because at any age, that bridge isn’t easy to cross at pace. So he would have had to make haste to reach them, so it does make you question if he was actually in front of them walking across and not behind. IMO

 

[ClearAhead]

RA isn't in the custody of IDOC anymore. I think I remember them saying from when the Judge approved RA's Motion to Transfer that they were going to keep his new relocation a secret. (Although we all suspected it was Cass County Detention Center?)

Or am I dreaming this up, this case has got my mind in overload.

JMO

That would make sense. The judge approved RA’s transfer from State prison (IDOC) to a county jail as requested by the D.

 

[Niner]

RA isn't in the custody of IDOC anymore. I think I remember them saying from when the Judge approved RA's Motion to Transfer that they were going to keep his new relocation a secret. (Although we all suspected it was Cass County Detention Center?)

Or am I dreaming this up, this case has got my mind in overload.

JMO

Here is what I gave from the beginning of his arrest in my notes:

Transferred to White County jail from Carroll County for security reasons. And was transferred (11/2/22) to IN. DOC at Westfield Correctional Facility at a more secure facility. Was awaiting transfer to Westville Correctional Facility but Judge Gull denied move (6/15/23). She plans to take the arguments under advisement & will make a ruling on whether or not he will be moved out of Westville at a later date. Judge Gull denied move (7/5/23). On 12/6/23 Allen was transferred from Westfield to Wabash Valley Correctional Facility (long term segregation). Allen was booked (5/6/24) into the Allen County Jail [for hearing on 5/7/24]. Allen back (5/7/24) to Wabash Valley Correctional Facility. Judge Gull granted transfer of custody to the Carroll County Sheriff [instead of IDOC] but will be held in Cass County jail until trial [8/1/24].

 

[ClearAhead]

I would love to know how he timed that so well with Libby’s photo of Abby. Maybe he just got incredibly lucky that he hadn’t started to cross the bridge yet.

Maybe that’s where the defence should do their job and ask why RA isn’t seen in that first photo of Abby on the bridge. Because at any age, that bridge isn’t easy to cross at pace. So he would have had to make haste to reach them, so it does make you question if he was actually in front of them walking across and not behind. IMO

Yes it’s possible although the PCA indicated BG is right behind Abby. So assuming her image has been cropped right out of the early released photo of BG leaving only her sleeve as some have long suspected, the entire video clip showing BG directly behind Abby will be presented as evidence in court. The photo of Abby and the video of BG is timestamped so he had to have enough time to get from one place to another. Chilling to contemplate. If it’s proven RA = BG then he’s toast. MOO

 

[Trebor5591]

RA's Cass County Jail record for 2024:

VINELink

w/ typo (?) on the record. JMO

(Noticed this error, just thought I'd use the link to update my thread bookmark. Haven't visited the thread in a bit. Hope this finds all doing well as we await trial (and in my neck of the woods, peak color season.)

I didn't know Richard Allen was a black man??

 

[tlcya]

Allen is a common surname. Richard is a common name.
RICHARD MATTHEW ALLEN
Custody Record
Age52
GenderMale
RaceWhite
IN: Carroll County Sheriff's Office
ID Number228**
Custody Status In Custody
Custody Detail Carroll County Jail
Record Details
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Ethnicity Non-Hispanic
Date of Birth Sep **, ****
ID Number228**
Custody Status Date Oct 28, 2022 11:46 AM EDT
Custody StatusIn Custody
Custody Detail Carroll County Jail
Book Date Oct 28, 2022 11:10 AM EDT
Location
Carroll County Jail
310 W Main Street
Delphi, IN 46923
(765) 564-2413
Reporting Agency
Carroll County Sheriff's Office
310 W Main Street
Delphi, IN 46923
(765) 564-2413

Related Records​

RICHARD MATTHEW ALLEN
Agency Cass County Sheriff's Office
ID Number288***
Custody Status In Custody

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ETA to find the right RA, one must look at his custody/book date

 

[FrostedGlass]

Here is what I gave from the beginning of his arrest in my notes:

Transferred to White County jail from Carroll County for security reasons. And was transferred (11/2/22) to IN. DOC at Westfield Correctional Facility at a more secure facility. Was awaiting transfer to Westville Correctional Facility but Judge Gull denied move (6/15/23). She plans to take the arguments under advisement & will make a ruling on whether or not he will be moved out of Westville at a later date. Judge Gull denied move (7/5/23). On 12/6/23 Allen was transferred from Westfield to Wabash Valley Correctional Facility (long term segregation). Allen was booked (5/6/24) into the Allen County Jail [for hearing on 5/7/24]. Allen back (5/7/24) to Wabash Valley Correctional Facility. Judge Gull granted transfer of custody to the Carroll County Sheriff [instead of IDOC] but will be held in Cass County jail until trial [8/1/24].

It's Westville, dear Niner ... not Westfield.

 

[Justice101]

Yes it’s possible although the PCA indicated BG is right behind Abby. So assuming her image has been cropped right out of the early released photo of BG leaving only her sleeve as some have long suspected, the entire video clip showing BG directly behind Abby will be presented as evidence in court. The photo of Abby and the video of BG is timestamped so he had to have enough time to get from one place to another. Chilling to contemplate. If it’s proven RA = BG then he’s toast. MOO

Even RA = BG has only to be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt.

He placed himself there at the time and in the same clothing and admitted he was on the edge of the bridge. At least 3 eyewitness will testify.

If I was a better man (which I am not), unless something unbelievably new comes up in trial that we haven't heard about.. there's a 95% change he gets convicted based on RA = BG and his confessions. 5% hung jury/mistrial.

Just my opinion.

What I am interested in is any additional evidence gathered at his residence:
1) Coat
2) Unspent new bullets matching alloy percentages from crime scene.
3) Any mementos taken
4) Anything else that could be tied to the CS and/or BG