Again: Where was Casey going for two years?

[sharpar]

We know from LA his parents (mostly CA) had been supporting Caylee (&KC) for a long time so they all had to know she wasn't making any $$$..IOW!..She was NOT working!..But still they now all claim they didn't know anything about it?..Makes no sense! And neither does CA telling co-workers she couldn't "afford" to take custody of Caylee since she had been providing for her all along..Nothing would've changed financially except for a legal piece of paper.

Contested custody battles are quite expensive - in the 80's my attorney
wanted a $5,000 retainer up front and made it clear that was a drop in
bucket . My final bill ran into the many many thousands . I think Cindy knew KC wouldnt let go without a fight and would have found someone to represent her either pro bono or next to nothing. With KC once the
battle lines are drawn there is no going back - it would have been all out
war no prisioners taken. I think there were issues Cindy wouldnt have
wanted aired in court .

 

[LCoastMom]

We know from LA his parents (mostly CA) had been supporting Caylee (&KC) for a long time so they all had to know she wasn't making any $$$..IOW!..She was NOT working!..But still they now all claim they didn't know anything about it?..Makes no sense! And neither does CA telling co-workers she couldn't "afford" to take custody of Caylee since she had been providing for her all along..Nothing would've changed financially except for a legal piece of paper.

That piece of paper would have easily cost 10 grand up front with no guarantee of getting or keeping custody.

I completely understand what Cindy meant by saying she couldn't afford to do such. Casey 'borrowed' her parents 40K in debt. Their home is second mortgaged to more than it's worth in todays market, Cindy has cashed in her 401K and doesn't have enough years of work left to replace it. KC is truly an ungrateful beotch. I hope some how things work out for C&G and that they survive the mess KC has left them in.

 

[FightTheOstrich]

It is positively unimaginable that for 2 years, neither Cindy nor George wondered WTH was going on with Casey and Caylee ..
There's NO way they believed Casey was working ..

Hard to imagine the family never spoke of the nanny at home ..
No one in the family ever met the nanny; very odd, considering Casey and Caylee lived at home with them ..
Cindy says, it was "their" time, she never asked about the nanny ..
Riiiiiight, sure she didn't ..

I have a feeling that LE already knows how Casey spent her days ..

Exactly. With KC's umm... "flexible" schedule, I am sure, the nanny would have dropped Caylee off w/ CA @ some point. If the nanny was so expensive, why pay for extra hours?

 

[LCoastMom]

I see your point about the legal fees but she knew KC was an unfit mother..I don't think she thought that would ever change since she told ppl she was a "psychopath"..So what was more important to her..The $$$ or Caylee's welfare?..And why would KC have to agree if she could prove all of this in court?

Read the newspaper, or magazines, look up on line. There are heartbreaking, gut wrenching stories everyday of judges who don't want to break up the "family unit". Proven child abusers, drug dealers, drug users the list goes on, retain custody of their children everyday with heart breaking results. By comparison KC was Mother of the Year material prior to the day she decided to end Caylee's life.

This is what CA would have been up against in court and she knew it. Judges in Florida are particularly known for siding against grandparents. It's a horrible situation.

 

[suejay40]

I just remembered something about Universal Studios that may makes sense to me about why KC told LA "in through the back." There used to be a ride based on the movie Back to the Future in the World Expo area of Universal. It was changed in the last year or so to the new Simpson ride. Does it make sense to anyone else that she might have been trying to tell LA where to look for the elusive phone, sim card, or whatever. Makes sense to me that she would use the old name of the ride, because that is what it was when she worked there.

 

[LCoastMom]

This makes it sound like the majority of college girls are whoring themselves for a quick dollar on the side and I just don't think that's the case. I think it sounds old and out of touch with reality. Perhaps I'm wrong, just MOO, but it wasn't too long ago that I was that age and really? Wow. :waitasec:

Don't forget the single mothers that were thrown in there, I agree 100% that most college girls and single moms have more going for themselves than prostitution. Even if all they have going for themselves is self respect and a minimum wage job, most college girls and single moms are able to avoid this route.

I can understand why it would appeal to KC though, most "real" jobs won't pay a dime for someone lying around on their back or otherwise.

 

[Whisperer]

I wonder how many keys casey accumulated in the past two years. She could have been sneaking into friends' places when they weren't home....and always calling them to see where they were.

I also wonder how much Lee helped her out ....financially and for a place to crash.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

missmybaby, please read the entire conversation posted below as you took my statement out of context. I also responded to you at the bottom. Thanks so very much.

Don't forget the single mothers that were thrown in there, I agree 100% that most college girls and single moms have more going for themselves than prostitution. Even if all they have going for themselves is self respect and a minimum wage job, most college girls and single moms are able to avoid this route.

I can understand why it would appeal to KC though, most "real" jobs won't pay a dime for someone lying around on their back or otherwise.

I'm 42, soon to be 43, and have been mistaken for a 25 y/o on various occasions - it has nothing to do with anything. I'm extremely intelligent, also. I pride myself on that. We could be the smartest people in the world but therefore be blind to what's right in front of us. I lived there...for 6 years. Most girls that do this type of thing (at KC's age) only do it for spending money, especially if they have kids. College girls, especially, find it easier than having a job while they're going to college. I met some very bright college girls living down there...and they were strippers. Do I think KC was doing this? No. But I could consider her picking up a couple of John's a week. Everybody on the net talks about her shopping at Target, etc. She had a closet full of American Eagle, Abercrombie & Fitch, Hollister...the list goes on. My boys wear A&F and let me tell you - their jeans are $60-$80 a piece! Again, I just wouldn't rule it out altogether. I also think there's more to the story of TR being fired from OCSO. Of course, this is jmo, and I really appreciate your take on things. Thanks so much for reading.

This makes it sound like the majority of college girls are whoring themselves for a quick dollar on the side and I just don't think that's the case. I think it sounds old and out of touch with reality. Perhaps I'm wrong, just MOO, but it wasn't too long ago that I was that age and really? Wow. :waitasec:

Awww, no, ChasingMoxie...that's not what I'm suggesting. Alot of people don't realize this, but, Orlando is one of the biggest cities in the U.S., maybe in the whole world. It's surrounded by a wild plethura of amusements. Florida is beautiful, yet it costs to live there. Sure, you can find inexpensive apartments, but in doing so, you won't be in the nicest areas. When you take a kid to a candy store, chances are they're gonna want some candy...right? That's what I'm saying. No way do I think all or even most college girls (or single moms) do escorting. Orlando has a big share of it, though, unfortunately. Keep in mind the amount of people that live there...it's huge per capita is off the hook. Their crime rate fluctuates every single year - sometimes good, sometimes bad. It hate to say this but it's the truth...there's a whole lot of girls down there doing this. It's no different than L.A. or N.Y., imo. Still, I love it there, and chances are my boys will go to college there - but my eyes are wide open. This is a big HUGE thing that's been going on for a very long time...and most of the time, their parents never find out. I wouldn't put it past KC to have been doing this. I've seen, with my own eyes, people that I would never expect to be involved in such a thing. They did it for the BIG $$$, but there's lots of small dreamers out there that like to stay low in order to keep it safer. Sorry if my statement offended you, but this is the absolute truth.:blowkiss:

Ahh, okay, I thought you were making a broader statement about college girls, etc. I know almost nothing about Florida, but I do know that it's simply shocking how many murders and missing persons cases seem to occur there. Side effect of the heavy tourism trade, I guess.

Hi missmybaby. I quoted the conversation to make it easier for you to see what I was saying. The poster chasingmoxie misinterpreted what I said - as I under no circumstance ever said that most single moms or single college girls - my exact words were "most girls that do this type of thing". Please read all posts in order to prevent confusion. I mean to show no respect, so please don't take it that way. I'm only adding insight. I've lived there, for a lengthy time, plus our family goes every year as we keep renewing our premium annual passes for Disney - we're soon to move back in the next couple of years, so I'm always searching demographics and gated communities that are near good schools. What I posted is from experience that I've seen with my own eyes. People in Orlando will agree with this, as well as the beloved OCSO. As much as I respect them right now, I feel sorry for them, b/c I believe their past indiscretions are going to come back to haunt them in this case. I'm only one person, out of probably millions (heck maybe even billions) that have found WebSleuths and lended some insight. It's only my opinion, but it's very much my experience. Like I said, people in Orlando are familiar with the goings on there...check it out sometime. Please read through all of my posts in this thread b/c there's a little more insight that backs up what I'm saying, as well as the replies from various posters. Thanks so very much for reading, and again, I'm not talking down to or disrespecting you, I'm only showing the conversation in context - the way it was meant to be taken. Showing ya some luv...:blowkiss:

PS - Maybe we should ask Tricia, or somebody, to link www.familywatchdog.us to the front page of WebSleuths b/c I'm concerned with the fact that Florida might do away with the sex offender notification system in order to cut back on money. If Florida gets away with this (by the way, most people in Florida are against this, but the public might not even have a say), how will the general public know if an offender moves right next door to them? Heck, I used to live in an upscale area of Metrowest in Orlando. My old zip-code was 32811. Go on familywatchdog.us and search that zip! Heck, just go on this site and type in Orlando and check state as Florida. Now you tell me, should Florida do away with sex offender notification to the public? What about if a stay at home mom runs a small in-home daycare? Think about it people, and please be proactive...get involved. Thanks.

 

[MasonJunior]

.................she was involved in petty theft and shoplifting for quite some time before she escalated with the thefts from AH and her grandmother and grandfather.

Never did I think her stealing was isolated to family & friends. Shoplifting had to be a common occurrence. When she left her car at Amscot, the groceries in her possession probably came lifted from the surrounding stores while she waited for TL. Particularly the ice pops had to be a recent pick-up. No way could they have stayed frozen in Florida’s summer heat during an estimated time span from her parents house.

 

[desertmom]

Never did I think her stealing was isolated to family & friends. Shoplifting had to be a common occurrence. When she left her car at Amscot, the groceries in her possession probably came lifted from the surrounding stores while she waited for TL. Particularly the ice pops had to be a recent pick-up. No way could they have stayed frozen in Florida’s summer heat during an estimated time span from her parents house.

I agree with this. This kind of behavior doesn't just start overnight. I have a feeling that KC would steal from whomever she thought she could get away with it. By the time she stole from Amy, getting caught for stealing was the least of her worries, since by then she had taken her little girl's life. I can see her going through her various boyfirend's belongings and/or wallet when he wasn't looking and taking money, etc. Copying bank routing and account numbers as she did when she stole from her grandfather's account shows some criminal sophistication. I bet she's been involved in a lot of cyber fraud and identity theft.

 

[nomoresorrow]

Never did I think her stealing was isolated to family & friends. Shoplifting had to be a common occurrence. When she left her car at Amscot, the groceries in her possession probably came lifted from the surrounding stores while she waited for TL. Particularly the ice pops had to be a recent pick-up. No way could they have stayed frozen in Florida’s summer heat during an estimated time span from her parents house.

I agree with this. This kind of behavior doesn't just start overnight. I have a feeling that KC would steal from whomever she thought she could get away with it. By the time she stole from Amy, getting caught for stealing was the least of her worries, since by then she had taken her little girl's life. I can see her going through her various boyfirend's belongings and/or wallet when he wasn't looking and taking money, etc. Copying bank routing and account numbers as she did when she stole from her grandfather's account shows some criminal sophistication. I bet she's been involved in a lot of cyber fraud and identity theft.

ITA MasonJunior and desertmom! I definately think that KC shoplifted, matter of fact (if there were any way to verify but there isn't) I think that she probably started along time ago(teens, possibly earlier) and I also agree that she got into friend's, family, strangers - anybody - when and if an opportunity presented itself for her to take money out of a purse or a wallet. I can't shake having my suspicions around GA's story, first claiming that he lost money gambling online (or could have been just gossip at that point, I'm not sure if that actually came out of his own mouth?) and then he said that it was a Nigerian email scam. My suspicion is that KC may have been the "scammer" - I feel very very strongly that she is involved. Was LE able to recover ALL emails that have ever been sent and/or received from the A's computer including KC's laptop? It wouldn't surprise me at all if that turned out to be what KC was involved in. MOO

 

[debbie0604]

I noticed something in the latest document dump that makes me want to revisit this subject. It was in the interviews with Cindy's co-workers.

They said that Casey OFTEN come by Cindy's office to drop Caylee off when she (Casey) was "on her way to work". They said she was dressed "as if she was going to work" - whatever that means. I guess meaning not in shorts or jeans, flip-flops, etc. I believe someone said this would happen at least once per week or so.

Now, according to other information Cindy's normal work hours were usually until around 5 or 6 PM. So if Casey is dropping Caylee off at Cindy's office, it was BEFORE 5 or 6 PM, unleass Cindy was working late. And how late would Cindy be working with a 2 1/2 year old there with her?

So, was Casey going out partying and clubbing at 5 - 6 PM? Hardly, since the clubs don't get going until much later, say 9 - 10PM. And if she was going out partying, would she not need to change clothing somewhere? Work clothes are not club clothes.

This went on for TWO YEARS???? And neither George nor Cindy had ANY CLUE
that Casey did not have a job? I do NOT believe that at all!

Also, Cindy made statements to LE that Casey never was away from home overnight until right before she went "missing". Yet Ricardo stated that Casey AND Caylee stayed at his place numerous times. Wasn't that in March?

I still think Casey was "working" during those two years. I do not believe that Cindy and George fully supported all of Casey's financial needs for two years. She was getting money from somewhere and I do not believe she was stealing it for two years.

Any thoughts or input?

I have thought about this alot since reading that in the documents. First of all, we know that lies run rampant in the A family, and I think that KC has grown up in a household where secrets and lies were customary and it has become ingrained into her being. That is not to say that her upbringing would excuse her crime or to say that she does not know right from wrong because she does. I think that she would drop Caylee off with CA and say that she was going to work when she really wasn't, but CA didn't bother to see exactly what KC was really doing. Maybe on occasion she was working.... there were reports that she was supposedly working at Fusion Lounge (?). Anyway, she was never forced to face responsibility for her actions, and she continued to take advantage of her parents - and her parents allowed it to happen. Her mother allowed her access to her bank accounts on the computer, how else would she be able to tap into their bank account and take out money? CA allowed her access. (She testified in court that KC was her "best friend.") Casey would then sneak into the computer and steal money from their account. I think GA has had ideas of what KA has been up to, but probably couldn't say much about it at home because CA pretty much ran the show at home.. and she and KC were raging with each other alot... I'm sure he was caught up in a very sticky web that was very destructive to his own self-esteem.

I'm not meaning to beat up CA and GA because I really feel sorry for them and for all they have gone through. Parents can make mistakes and I feel that they have really made HUGE mistakes with KA. However, they didn't deserve to go through the hell that they have gone through, and I pray that they both get through this.

 

[Shaymus at The Rock]

If you read some of the history of the family, it appears that their lives have been fairly chaotic for a few years...what with a new baby, family members in assisted living, marital conflicts, money problems, work responsibilites, job problems and on an on. It's not a stretch to think that there was way too much going on to focus on any one problem during the course of these events. Life has become very complicated...sadly, the fallouts are proving to be more than people are able to deal with.

Interesting comment on society, but it doesn't address the question asked by the poster. How could a family not realize someone was lying about going work for 2 years ?

 

[DawnTCB]

Interesting comment on society, but it doesn't address the question asked by the poster. How could a family not realize someone was lying about going work for 2 years ?

Well, as I stated previously, I think it would be very easy. There are only two parts she would need to disguise - the lack of a paycheck and the lack of a location to really go to regularly.

The lack of paycheck would be easy to disguise, especially if she was never really contributing money to the family anyway, as it appears. KC never moved out of her family home. So if she was never expected to pay rent or part of the groceries or whatever, then she would never be required to demonstrate having money. Her paycheck would have gone to her very expensive nanny, gas money, and the occasional nights out her folks knew about. No doubt if anyone asked her to contribute any funds to the family, those were the immediate excuses she gave.

The lack of a job site to go to is easy to disguise as well. First of all, this imaginary job was once a real job at Universal, and her family may have seen her there or had other evidence that the job was legitimate at some point. This imaginary job was very fortunately mostly evenings, nights, and weekends, and evidently part time. So all she had to do was get showered and dressed, slip her lanyard over her head and march out the door and she had two great benefits - her parents wouldn't fuss at her for not having a job and she had 8 hours of free time. My friend who had a fake job did this for just those two reasons.

It seems to me that the biggest risk of getting caught would have come from GA or CA finding her at home at some point when she was supposed to be at work. She would have avoided that by calling them at various points during her "shift" while she was at home goofing around on the computer to verify where they were, and if whoops! they caught her, she could just say she got off work early or someone called and said they would take her shift, etc.

I certainly, in my teenage years, faked a couple of shifts at work to go do something else, especially when I was grounded and work was the only place I was allowed to go... (hoping my folks aren't reading this! ) I don't think I could have *not* said anything about being fired, but it seems like once she left that detail out, all she had to do was keep up the leaving and returning and the stories about work and the parents would have no reason to doubt it.

 

[nancy botwin]

Well, as I stated previously, I think it would be very easy. There are only two parts she would need to disguise - the lack of a paycheck and the lack of a location to really go to regularly.

The lack of paycheck would be easy to disguise, especially if she was never really contributing money to the family anyway, as it appears. KC never moved out of her family home. So if she was never expected to pay rent or part of the groceries or whatever, then she would never be required to demonstrate having money. Her paycheck would have gone to her very expensive nanny, gas money, and the occasional nights out her folks knew about. No doubt if anyone asked her to contribute any funds to the family, those were the immediate excuses she gave.

The lack of a job site to go to is easy to disguise as well. First of all, this imaginary job was once a real job at Universal, and her family may have seen her there or had other evidence that the job was legitimate at some point. This imaginary job was very fortunately mostly evenings, nights, and weekends, and evidently part time. So all she had to do was get showered and dressed, slip her lanyard over her head and march out the door and she had two great benefits - her parents wouldn't fuss at her for not having a job and she had 8 hours of free time. My friend who had a fake job did this for just those two reasons.

It seems to me that the biggest risk of getting caught would have come from GA or CA finding her at home at some point when she was supposed to be at work. She would have avoided that by calling them at various points during her "shift" while she was at home goofing around on the computer to verify where they were, and if whoops! they caught her, she could just say she got off work early or someone called and said they would take her shift, etc.

I certainly, in my teenage years, faked a couple of shifts at work to go do something else, especially when I was grounded and work was the only place I was allowed to go... (hoping my folks aren't reading this! ) I don't think I could have *not* said anything about being fired, but it seems like once she left that detail out, all she had to do was keep up the leaving and returning and the stories about work and the parents would have no reason to doubt it.

Excellent points.
I just wanted to also point out that Casey went so far as to fake emails to cover those two potential pratfalls.
She had that fake email about the payroll office and HR being closed one day, presumably bc Cindy wondered why she had no cashflow.
And she had those weird fake emails about unanticipated schedule changes-- needing to randomly show up for an event somewhere etc.

Casey had the bases pretty well covered.

People can fail to see through the lies of a loved one for years and years:
they can overlook retrospectively obvious signs someone is having an affair or even faking a devastating illness. Pathological liars are insidious.

 

[Shaymus at The Rock]

Excellent points.
I just wanted to also point out that Casey went so far as to fake emails to cover those two potential pratfalls.
She had that fake email about the payroll office and HR being closed one day, presumably bc Cindy wondered why she had no cashflow.
And she had those weird fake emails about unanticipated schedule changes-- needing to randomly show up for an event somewhere etc.

Casey had the bases pretty well covered.

People can fail to see through the lies of a loved one for years and years:
they can overlook retrospectively obvious signs someone is having an affair or even faking a devastating illness. Pathological liars are insidious.

When did the A's find out about the Sports Authority job not being real ?

 

[nancy botwin]

When did the A's find out about the Sports Authority job not being real ?

I don't know the exact timeframe-- but I'm assuming it was awhile ago and sometime around when Cindy told Casey's friend Ryan that Casey is "a sociopath." ??

 

[Shaymus at The Rock]

I don't know the exact timeframe-- but I'm assuming it was awhile ago and sometime around when Cindy told Casey's friend Ryan that Casey is "a sociopath." ??

I've forgotten the sequence of these "jobs". I guess I'm wondering if you find out your child has lied about having Job A, wouldn't you be really suspicious about Job B ?

 

[nancy botwin]

I've forgotten the sequence of these "jobs". I guess I'm wondering if you find out your child has lied about having Job A, wouldn't you be really suspicious about Job B ?

Well, yes, I would.

That's probably why Casey had to fabricate emails for this one. I'm not saying it's absurd to imagine the A's should have picked up on all this, I can just see how they didn't.

If your adult child consistently disappoints you and frustrates your expectations, you might subconsciously disengage your own red-flag system. I'm not saying it's right, but I do think it makes sense to a degree.

And Casey did do some work to fool them-- remember every time she got a collections call on her phone bill, caller ID displayed it as being a WORK CALL, etc.

 

[Shaymus at The Rock]

If she had worked half as hard at a career as she did at avoiding one, who knows what she might have accomplished.

IMO, CA and LA were in the habit of digging in looking for any grains of truth in Casey's utterances and ignoring all the lies. CA seemed truly frustrated when LE, the media and the public would not do so.

IIRC GA stated in a LE interview that he suspected the Universal job was fake. Perhaps he didn't share his suspicion with CA. Perhaps he had learned Casey's lying was a topic to be avoided.