Recovered/Located AL - Casey White, cap murder chg, & Vicky Sue White, CO w/sher office, Lauderdale, 29 Apr'22*Reward*

[Bessdrewtwo]

In this article, the District Attorney said [Connie, CW’s alleged murder victim] “was a witness in a grand jury unrelated proceeding that was going on at that time.” (District attorney discusses possible motive behind murdered mother case from 2015)

I feel like I have to ask myself, then, if/how CW or this case could be tied into a larger story; whether he falsely took the blame for Connie Ridgeway’s murder; and what—if anything—did CW or someone else have to gain by confessing to her killing?

I agree with another user who said it seems unlikely VW would purposefully take such a high stakes risk after decades of service if she had only recently met CW when he cameto the facility. So what do you all think? Did VW and CW cross paths during a previous stay there? Did they have some other connection outside of the correction system? Any chance she was motivated to get involved to protect others as well?

I still lean toward mistaken love. But there are some fringe factors here I can’t ignore.

 

[wary]

I would think Prisoners insulting and threatening Officers is typical for the job. IMO

It’s definitely hard for me to imagine someone making it through 25 years of that sort of work without being hardened to threats both credible or not.

 

[Bravo]

It’s definitely hard for me to imagine someone making it through 25 years of that sort of work without being hardened to threats both credible or not.

Exactly

 

[Bessdrewtwo]

I'm wondering whether whoever told the media they are not related, actually knew what they were talking about. I mean, how would the sheriff's spokesman even know that? Who would they ask?

I find myself wondering whether perhaps CW is a son of one of VW's ex-husband's brothers. Not sleuthing it of course but just wondering if there is perhaps a possible family relation rather than a jailhouse romance.

MOO

I have wondered the same. Do they just say that because she checked a box on her application that promised she wasn’t related to a prisoner at the time she applied? Because that was many years ago and the prisoner population changes over time. It’s not impossible they could be related.

It’s also possible that in the hours after they discovered this, that they comprehensively investigated her ex’s ancestors/relatives and CW’s ancestors/relatives and conclusively ruled out any family ties.

If you’re really examining all loopholes, though, it also occurs to me that even if CW WAS related to VW’s ex-husband, that one could honestly say they are NOT related (since relatives of her long-ago ex would be neither a blood relation to her or current relative by marriage).

 

[Arkay]

I would think Prisoners insulting and threatening Officers is typical for the job. IMO

I find myself wondering whether perhaps CW is a son of one of VW's ex-husband's brothers. Not sleuthing it of course but just wondering if there is perhaps a possible family relation rather than a jailhouse romance.

MOO

@Bravo I've only known one person who was a corrections officer. He used to tell us stories about prisoners throwing feces at the officers, or if they were in a cell with a food slot, they'd place feces on the food tray when it was being retrieved. And insults and threats were just background noise because it was all day, every day. He's a big strong guy, young when he started, and he shrugged it all off.
Even though VW is a woman, in a small town, minimum security jail, she must have seen thousands of criminals. If this was enough to unhinge her she should have been replaced long ago. IMO.

@Auntie Cipation if there is any kind of relationship at all, whether through blood or marriage, again she should have been replaced, or the prisoner sent elsewhere. These kind of conflicting loyalties are exactly why any prior relationship has to be made known. Although personally I don't think that we've learned anything to make us think they're related. The ex-MIL would know and she didn't mention it.

As to her retirement, as @CharlestonGal mentioned, she was still on duty the day this happened. Otherwise she wouldn't have been at the jail, in uniform, with her shield and gun, and on the clock.

I don't know about Alabama Law Enforcement, but I know in many government jobs if you commit a crime while still employed, losing your pension often follows if you're convicted.

Why she would forfeit her pension to break him out now is the mystery to me. When I retired from teaching I had to put in my papers with 30 days notice, and I had to go to three different offices all around NYC to file all the appropriate paperwork for my Union, the city and the state. In government jobs it's not just "bye, see ya, give me my money."

Jmo


ETA: @Spider92 I love that CW is 6'9" or 6'5", whichever it is. IIRC, it's one of the reasons Seal Team 6 knew they had that devil Osama Bin Laden. For all that he hid for 10 years, when he was walking in his garden they were able to discern his height, which was 6'5". It's a physical trait that's hard to hide. Hopefully that helps catch CW.

 

[branmuffin]

That's the one thing holding me back from 100% thinking she was in on this. It makes no sense.

We could be making assumptions regarding when she started the retirement process. She may have advised them months ago she was retiring April 30, 2022. Maybe all the i's are dotted and the t's already crossed. The only thing left to do would be to drop off the final papers on her 'last' day of work. And from what I can gather public officials convicted of crimes could receive their pensions while incarceraed, eg. Derek Chauvin. Some states have forfeiture rules regarding publicly funded pensions but the only crimes that apply are financial crimes like bribery, fraud and embezzlement. Alabama appears to be one of those states. Here's a link.

What Happens to Taxpayer-Funded Pensions When Public Officials Are Convicted of Crimes? - Reason Foundation

Unless they can be tracked quickly, I believe this woman is in great danger of losing her life. If they have only one weapon it's probably guaranteed he already has it in his possession. It's more likely that other weapons have been stashed.

Such a boneheaded move on her part if she was a willing participant. If she ends up dead there isn't an insurance company in the world that would pay a beneficiary if the policy owner died during the commission of a crime.

 

[alexwood]

If CW is the nephew of VW's ex-husband, he would be the grandson of VW's former mother-in-law. I think that the former mother-in-law would have mentioned CW's family ties. Here is a quote from her as reported by The Daily Mail:
[BBM]

"'I can't understand her leaving with a guy she knew was a murderer,' she said."
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Family of Alabama jail officer who 'helped an inmate escape' says she wouldn't have gone willingly | Daily Mail Online

 

[Bravo]

I do wonder what will be said tomorrow at the presser. Perhaps it will just be "We have a new Sheriff in town" Lordy

 

[Bravo]

99% of the crimes here on WS make no sense. IMO

 

[CharlestonGal]

I do wonder what will be said tomorrow at the presser. Perhaps it will just be "We have a new Sheriff in town" Lordy

They NEED a new sheriff in town. The chances they will actually get one tomorrow? My magic 8-ball says: Zero.

 

[Bravo]

The manhunt for Matt and Sweat in New York State took 3 weeks to conclude. Hiding out in heavily wooded areas. These two or CW have to be hiding out in some remote area. IMO

 

[Bravo]

They NEED a new sheriff in town. The chances they will actually get one tomorrow? My magic 8-ball says: Zero.

I was saying in jest

 

[JerseyWasHome2]

ETA: @Spider92 I love that CW is 6'9" or 6'5", whichever it is. IIRC, it's one of the reasons Seal Team 6 knew they had that devil Osama Bin Laden. For all that he hid for 10 years, when he was walking in his garden they were able to discern his height, which was 6'5". It's a physical trait that's hard to hide. Hopefully that helps catch CW.[/QUOTE]

RIGHT? I mean, a basic mug shot often has a yardstick sort of thing behind them for height, doesn't it? This is like, "Oh, he's taller than most people. 6'2", 6'5", 6'9", maybe 7'. WHATEVUH." Huh???

 

[JerseyWasHome2]

The manhunt for Matt and Sweat in New York State took 3 weeks to conclude. Hiding out in heavily wooded areas. These two or CW have to be hiding out in some remote area. IMO

You're right - that one did take quite awhile.

 

[BeckyF]

Exactly. In government service you don't just drop your retirement paperwork and be retired that day. There is a ton of paperwork, not to mention going here, there and everywhere to turn in weapons, keys, badges, ID cards, access cards, settling your government travel/credit card account, terminating computer access. It just goes on and on and on. I think it took about 3 months for me to "retire" from active duty military and at least 2 months to "retire" from civil service. You don't just walk in with a piece of paper and walk out with a lump sum of money. It doesn't work that way. Even the sheriff in this case announced his retirement in Nov 2021, effective Jan 1, 2023. Even if you are literally dead it's going to take at least a few weeks to get you entirely processed out of the system. IMO

ETA: And even if she dropped her retirement papers on Thursday and walked out with a lump sum of money (impossible in my opinion) how would she have been at work business as usual on Friday?

Yeah, way too many red flags here.

I think some heads are gonna roll over what happened here.

I think they will be caught but I can picture a stand-off and it won’t have a good outcome.

 

[Bessdrewtwo]

Based on some previous stories I heard, I thought I remembered that the rules about “supervising inmates who are relatives” were not hard and fast.
But rather, administrators often have discretion over whether there is a high risk of conflict of interest if an inmate is known to a guard, for instance.

I found the guidelines for Alabama’s Dept of Corrections (http://www.doc.state.al.us/docs/AdminRegs/AR208.pdf) and it does not appear to prohibit guards from supervising prisoners they know.

“14. Notify the Warden/Division Director immediately and follow the inmate visiting regulations when a family member is incarcerated in the ADOC” (PG.4)

“16. Disregard ADOC procedures concerning the proper conduct and notification when family members are incarcerated in the Alabama Prison System. (Refer to AR 318, Staff/Inmate Relationships)” (PG.6)


Also, on page 5 of the conduct code (http://www.doc.state.al.us/docs/AdminRegs/AR318.pdf), it says;

“a.When an employee is related to an inmate, the employee shall report this fact in writing to the Warden/ Director upon employment or when the relationship becomes known to the employee.
b. The Warden/Director shall notify the Institutional Coordinator and determine appropriate action to be taken.”

edit to add: Not saying VW knew CW from another context or past sentence, or family connections. Just saying that if she did, an admin could’ve assumed her longtime service made her reliable even if there was a connection (perhaps particularly if it was, hypothetically, a relative of a deceased ex she’d been divorced from for 15+ years?). Again, not saying VW and CW had a pre-existing run-in earlier in life. Just saying that if they did, it might not have been prohibited.

 

[CharlestonGal]

I was saying in jest

I know. Depressing, isn't it?

 

[Bravo]

I know. Depressing, isn't it?

So hard to believe how all this went down.

 

[Arkay]

We could be making assumptions regarding when she started the retirement process. She may have advised them months ago she was retiring April 30, 2022. Maybe all the i's are dotted and the t's already crossed. The only thing left to do would be to drop off the final papers on her 'last' day of work. And from what I can gather public officials convicted of crimes could receive their pensions while incarceraed, eg. Derek Chauvin. Some states have forfeiture rules regarding publicly funded pensions but the only crimes that apply are financial crimes like bribery, fraud and embezzlement. Alabama appears to be one of those states. Here's a link.

What Happens to Taxpayer-Funded Pensions When Public Officials Are Convicted of Crimes? - Reason Foundation

Unless they can be tracked quickly, I believe this woman is in great danger of losing her life. If they have only one weapon it's probably guaranteed he already has it in his possession. It's more likely that other weapons have been stashed.

Such a boneheaded move on her part if she was a willing participant. If she ends up dead there isn't an insurance company in the world that would pay a beneficiary if the policy owner died during the commission of a crime.

Interesting info.

I suppose in the end it won't make any difference.

Unless VW is somehow completely, 100% innocent, which IMO she is not, she's forfeited everything anyway.

Hopefully her actual life has not been forfeited.
If she lives through this, her life as she knew it has been forfeited.
If she lives through this, is captured and convicted, her pension won't even matter. She'll be in prison.

The only way I see her retaining her pension in any meaningful way, if she lives, is that she is not found guilty, or serves a short enough sentence that her pension in the future will still matter.

I wonder if a clever prosecutor can make a case that even under Alabama law, this IS partly a financial crime, because the FBI and the local LE have to expend time and manpower, taxpayer's money, to hunt them down.

We will have to wait and see.

 

[CharlestonGal]

So hard to believe how all this went down.

It is and it isn't really. Incompetent people are elected to office all the time. And then they are seemingly impossible to get rid of. And then things like this happen. And a whole trail of (predictable) incompetence is uncovered. Hard to believe? Yes. Uncommon? No.

I'm now giving serious side-eye to my county jail which is only about 2 miles from me. This story makes me wonder what the heck is going on at my local jail??

ETA: I mean, seriously, how do you lose track of a maximum custody inmate serving 75 years and facing new death penalty charges for an ENTIRE 6 HOURS? There is a whole slew of incompetence behind that. Not a sole jail official.