Recovered/Located AL - Casey White, cap murder chg, & Vicky Sue White, CO w/sher office, Lauderdale, 29 Apr'22*Reward*

[Bessdrewtwo]

Something else I found in the Alabama prison guidelines: The people with administrative responsibilities can apply for exemptions to administrative regulations.

One reason it lists that an admin might request an exemption to policy is “staffing, money, or other changes needed in order to comply.”

(http://www.doc.state.al.us/docs/AdminRegs/AR003.pdf - PG 2)

This makes me feel like VW or others could have been authorized to overstep policies (like requiring two escorts for a prisoner) if she could build a case that there were not enough armed guards available to escort CW due to, say, Covid-related staff shortages or other guards being out transporting prisoners (which has been discussed in previous pages).

Just putting it out there bc we often think there are immovable standards when we discuss prison guidelines. But it’s likely the prison’s practices create more room for error than we imagine. See also these links about the state of AL prisons (These are just a sample! Google state of/reports on Alabama prisons for many more.)

- What's in the DOJ's scathing report on Alabama prisons

- DOJ files new complaint over Alabama prisons

- Justice Department Files Lawsuit Against the State of Alabama for Unconstitutional Conditions in State's Prisons for Men

 

[JerseyWasHome2]

It is and it isn't really. Incompetent people are elected to office all the time. And then they are seemingly impossible to get rid of. And then things like this happen. And a whole trail of (predictable) incompetence is uncovered. Hard to believe? Yes. Uncommon? No.

I'm now giving serious side-eye to my county jail which is only about 2 miles from me. This story makes me wonder what the heck is going on at my local jail??

ETA: I mean, seriously, how do you lose track of a maximum custody inmate serving 75 years and facing new death penalty charges for an ENTIRE 6 HOURS? There is a whole slew of incompetence behind that. Not a sole jail official.

Right? If he supposedly had an appt for a mental health eval at the courthouse (odd, and it's been said that doesn't take place there) then if said appt wasn't met, courthouse would be calling jail inquiring as to why he wasn't delivered. If jail where he was housed knew he'd be due back in, say, 3 hours, didn't they inquire to courthouse as to why he wasn't returned yet? This all makes me cringe. I had NO idea max custody inmates were transported to and fro anywhere. Don't they get everything they need in their jail???

 

[BeckyF]

I don't think they're gonna capture him anytime soon. His face looks like a million guys. The only problem he's got is that he's 6'9". He should get himself a wheel chair.
And the Feds are gonna need to do better than $10k to encourage folks to risk messing with this guy.....and they need to put out a BOLO for passengers requesting extra leg room on flights to Mexico....

I agree, reward should be more than 10,000. Maybe they will increase it if he isn’t caught shortly.

 

[CharlestonGal]

Something else I found in the Alabama prison guidelines: The people with administrative responsibilities can apply for exemptions to administrative regulations.

One reason it lists that an admin might request an exemption to policy is “staffing, money, or other changes needed in order to comply.”

(http://www.doc.state.al.us/docs/AdminRegs/AR003.pdf - PG 2)

This makes me feel like VW or others could have been authorized to overstep policies like requiring two escorts for a prisoner if she could build a case that there were not enough armed guards available to escort CW due to, say, Covid-related staff shortages or other guards being out transporting prisoners (which has been discussed in previous pages).

Just putting it out there bc we often think there are immovable standards when we discuss prison guidelines. But it’s likely the prison’s practices create more room for error than we imagine. See also these links about the state of AL prisons (These are just a sample! Google state of/reports on Alabama prisons for many more.)

- What's in the DOJ's scathing report on Alabama prisons

- DOJ files new complaint over Alabama prisons

- Justice Department Files Lawsuit Against the State of Alabama for Unconstitutional Conditions in State's Prisons for Men

I understand staffing and budget issues and logistic issues. I understand how that might lead to cutting corners with DUI or shoplifting or drug possession inmates. But violent offenders already serving 75 years and facing new death penalty charges? Nope. Someone needs to be dead serious about keeping their eyes on them. And this jail, judging by their roster, only had ONE of those. And still couldn't keep track of him. IMO

 

[CharlestonGal]

Right? If he supposedly had an appt for a mental health eval at the courthouse (odd, and it's been said that doesn't take place there) then if said appt wasn't met, courthouse would be calling jail inquiring as to why he wasn't delivered. If jail where he was housed knew he'd be due back in, say, 3 hours, didn't they inquire to courthouse as to why he wasn't returned yet? This all makes me cringe. I had NO idea max custody inmates were transported to and fro anywhere. Don't they get everything they need in their jail???

It wouldn't even take 3 hours with a competent facility. If you are transporting inmates to the courthouse, which is 3 minutes away, you'd be worried without receiving a positive report of arrival within 15 minutes. But apparently this jail did not require or expect that kind of accountability. Or a trailing transport escape vehicle, apparently. Which directly led to an escapee having a 6 hour head start. It's just...incompetence. Which is really scary for facilities with max custody inmates facing the death penalty. Really scary. jmo

 

[Bessdrewtwo]

I understand staffing and budget issues and logistic issues. I understand how that might lead to cutting corners with DUI or shoplifting or drug possession inmates. But violent offenders already serving 75 years and facing new death penalty charges? Nope. Someone needs to be dead serious about keeping their eyes on them. And this jail, judging by their roster, only had ONE of those. And still couldn't keep track of him. IMO

Oh agreed. Though, unfortunately, people don’t always take things seriously the way I expect them to. =(

 

[Bessdrewtwo]

It wouldn't even take 3 hours with a competent facility. If you are transporting inmates to the courthouse, which is 3 minutes away, you'd be worried without receiving a positive report of arrival within 15 minutes. But apparently this jail did not require or expect that kind of accountability. Or a trailing transport escape vehicle, apparently. Which directly led to an escapee having a 6 hour head start. It's just...incompetence. Which is really scary for facilities with max custody inmates facing the death penalty. Really scary. jmo

I keep thinking about their head start too. So VW and CW leave at 9:41 a.m. Their failure to return is reported to officials at 3:30 p.m. And 20 local investigators are looking into it by 5:30 p.m. I would guess it would take a little bit of time for them to piece together all the information (from court houses, medical clinics, surveillance cams, parking lots, potential witnesses and such). So let’s say it takes two hours to get a solid picture of the problem. That’s 10 hours.

Most cases I’ve followed seem to end with escapees going into hiding locally, rather than with them having the resources to map out a plan to cross a border (though they have all the incentive to do so since the stakes are so high). Makes me think it’s most likely they’ll be found within a 3-4 hour radius in an Air BnB without a long term plan.

Although certainly, with the right sophistication or criminal networks, we can imagine the more unlikely and more movie-esque scenario where the two could employ disguises and set up alternative vehicles and obtain IDs to get over a border before anyone is looking for them.

I’m often disappointed by how little planning people do even when they’ve taken such giant risks and their lives are on the line. Humans are emotion-driven, impulsive creatures.

 

[5W's]

No, she broke protocol by being the lone officer to transport this inmate. She did not have authority to do this.
Deputy, murder suspect missing after leaving jail against protocol: Authorities

I guess I should have been more specific. She has some power to override (yes she definately broke protocol) aspects that would take prying eyes off of what she was doing in order to help the convict before eyes were on what she was doing. So she overrode what she could to buy time so in that sense she had the power to do so. I suppose the only way to stop abuse of power in this sense that I stated is to take away the loopholes and tighten procedures further. Maybe even suboordinates question their superior's actions and giving them the power to do so.

 

[5W's]

You need to present ID to board a plane, so I highly doubt they would choose to fly. Even if they knew they wouldn't be apprehended at the airport initially, there would be a record of where and when they flew.

IMO they are in a vehicle. Where and how they got the vehicle is anyones guess at this point but it's the best way for them to travel without leaving an obvious footprint or risk being identified by witnesses.

Good points. But I wonder if they had access to stolen ID's and records of some sort perhaps that's another way to evade LE. However, for this to happen it would have taken a lot of careful planning beforhand. It really is awful, but there are such people out there, sadly. All MOO.

 

[5W's]

Sipping pretty drinks on a pretty beach with her man. Done with the daily grind possibly. Vulnerable to a manipulative killer?

Yes I would say her dream is being manipulated by a killer. MOO.

 

[airportwoman]

There are only 2 scenarios I can think of right now. 1. He forced her to help him escape or 2. They became lovers and she helped him to escape. Either one is extremely scary. I hope she is found unhurt! JMO

I agree. Both scenarios have happened before.

 

[airportwoman]

Right? If he supposedly had an appt for a mental health eval at the courthouse (odd, and it's been said that doesn't take place there) then if said appt wasn't met, courthouse would be calling jail inquiring as to why he wasn't delivered. If jail where he was housed knew he'd be due back in, say, 3 hours, didn't they inquire to courthouse as to why he wasn't returned yet? This all makes me cringe. I had NO idea max custody inmates were transported to and fro anywhere. Don't they get everything they need in their jail???

Not necessarily. They may have to go to court, and if they have health issues that can't be addressed at the prison's clinic, they are indeed taken to outside practitioners. I worked in hospitals for many years, and they were quite regularly patients, with guards of course.

 

[BeckyF]

I guess I should have been more specific. She has some power to override (yes she definately broke protocol) aspects that would take prying eyes off of what she was doing in order to help the convict before eyes were on what she was doing. So she overrode what she could to buy time so in that sense she had the power to do so. I suppose the only way to stop abuse of power in this sense that I stated is to take away the loopholes and tighten procedures further. Maybe even suboordinates question their superior's actions and giving them the power to do so.

Hi and thank you for your reply. You are right on about tightening procedures at that jail. And many people, as you said, don’t like to question their supervisor’s actions. It’s difficult. I wonder what the protocol was at that facility for reporting your supervisor. What was the chain of command? VW felt confident enough that she just proceeded with the plan. JMO

 

[sds71]

Pat Davis is in complete shock, saying everyone who knows her daughter says this doesn't make sense. She is scared for her daughter's safety, and says even if she did help inmate White escape, she should turn herself in before she gets hurt.


"As a mother, I didn't know how to act because I thought at first it was a a mistake. And then when I found out for sure it was, it was just disbelief," says Pat Davis.

She's been in complete shock ever since her daughter disappeared with accused murderer Casey White Friday morning.


Mother pleas for missing Lauderdale County corrections officer to come home

 

[azure]

Mother pleas for missing Lauderdale County corrections officer to come home

"According to Davis, Vicky had been living with her for the past five weeks, ever since Vicky sold her house."

Verrrrrry interesting IMO.

 

[otto]

"According to Davis, Vicky had been living with her for the past five weeks, ever since Vicky sold her house."

Verrrrrry interesting IMO.

That is. Does that mean that she more or less liquidated her home and resigned from her job just prior to this disappearance?

 

[Hoosier952]

"According to Davis, Vicky had been living with her for the past five weeks, ever since Vicky sold her house."

Verrrrrry interesting IMO.

Wouldn't that have been a couple of weeks prior to CW being transferred?

 

[otto]

This sounds to me like a very well planned decision between a woman in her 50s and a man in his 30s. He is 6'6" tall, which means he will stand out in many places. For that reason, I think they used their 6 hour head-start to go to a populated city where they could more easily blend in, and then lay low. The only other option, in my opinion, is to lay low from the start - but that strikes me as spontaneous rather than planned, and higher risk as sitting ducks waiting to be found.

 

[5W's]

I'm also confused as to why a single individual would be assigned to transport a prisoner. That can't be a safe practice right?
She was second in command so I think this played a crucial role in how this all went down.

 

[citizen_sleuth]

"According to Davis, Vicky had been living with her for the past five weeks, ever since Vicky sold her house."

Verrrrrry interesting IMO.

Hmmm… I wonder if she still has the money from the sale of her house in her bank account or if she withdrew it in cash.