Found Deceased AL - Kamille "Cupcake" McKinney, 3, kidnapped from birthday party, Birmingham, 12 Oct 2019 #5

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Well in that case let’s just delete every thread on this board that has now been redacted to initials.

I hear your point. I still think I disagree. We probably have thousands of documents here which have been redacted to initials and names blacked out completely to protect the minors’ names. I hear what you’re saying though. Will think about this more. I could be wrong.

When you move schools 10 times or your teachers, people at your church, school friends, your friends' parents, your neighbors want to know who this new kid is or every detail of your sad foster care life, all it takes is a simple Google search to read every detail of trauma you suffered for years. And it'll show up for the rest of your life. They'll have extra eyes on you everywhere you go because where you come from is a bad influence on their children. Or hey, you'll probably harm someone just because of what happened to you. Or you'll get forced pity for every single thing in your life. You'll wonder every day if they are being nice to you because they genuinely like you or maybe they just read how pathetic your life was online yesterday. Or maybe kids will tease you for the horrible things your mom did to you because the media published it. Or predators will target you because they know how vulnerable you now are. Or you'll feel wildly out of control as an adult as the most personal details of your life are out there and you have no ownership of your own story. This platform may be extremely victim-friendly but the general public isn't always all that friendly to foster children.

LE knows the details. I don't see how the public knowing what they went through will lead to finding Cupcake. IMO, foster children have a fundamental right to privacy, but I appreciate the thoughtful discourse. Just because it is unavoidable to have to publish personal details about these kids that end up on WS doesn't make it the ideal or right to do the same for other kids who LE is not seeking the public's help with IMO.

Anyway, I'll get off my soapbox now. I grew up in foster care so I acknowledge I have very strong feelings as a result, but I hope it is food for thought.
 
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Yep,colour me suspicious and maybe coincidence for him to be out looking in center point and then later on PS and DB are arrested there,but I am speculating that there was word on the street somewhere,or somewhere along the line someone,somewhere.somehow connected to Cupcake on either side possibly knows one of the arrested POI'S.
Also completely my own opinion and speculation,not stating as factual info at all and totally hypothetical on my part,but wouldnt it be strange if one of the poi's names appeared on someones social media friends list before any such account could be made private?.
MOO and theorizing only.

Exactly noticed this too!
 
So the reporter is saying that PS was charged with child *advertiser censored*? I didn’t think the charge specified the type of *advertiser censored*. Am I wrong?
MOO
AMBER ALERT: Suspect charged with child *advertiser censored*. Second suspect on probation for previous kidnapping
Patrick Stallworth, 29, is charged with four counts of possession of child *advertiser censored*, and three counts of possession of child *advertiser censored* with intent to distribute. Investigators say they found the images on his cell phone.
 
I don't think there is any way the first person who walks by could be the woman they arrested. There is about a one hundred pound difference. Imo
I can't bring over the photos in post #486 by PommyMommy in Thread #1. They were taken the night of the arrest. And she doesn't look as large in these photos as she does in her mugshot.
 
CBS 42 on Twitter
Former FBI agent gives insight on Kamille "Cupcake" McKinney investigation http://bit.ly/35V6tmT
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10:36 AM - 21 Oct 2019

OCT 21, 2019
Former FBI agent gives insight on Kamille “Cupcake” McKinney investigation
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Owens explained, “A grid search is normal, routine and takes place near where the crime took place. I would like to have the K-9 unit involved, perhaps. I think it’s a wonderful lead.”

[...]

“It’s very interesting that he moved with authority and confidence toward those two children and they’re listening to him,” Owens said. “He’s talking to them and they’re paying attention to him. Apparently, he quickly established their confidence and they got comfortable with him. It is disturbing as we all tell our children not to talk or deal with strangers.”

[...]

“The children might have seen him before. Maybe minutes before, became quite comfortable with him. They’re near their home. They feel good about standing there. They’re used to it, they were playing there and they feel protected and they were protected up until this point,” Owens explained. “And notice how they move… I’ve watched this many, many times and I keep looking for something. That film doesn’t tell me anymore than that they got. It’s disturbing.”

[...]

Owens is confident in the ability of the Birmingham Police Department.
 
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“It’s very interesting that he moved with authority and confidence toward those two children and they’re listening to him,” Owens said. “He’s talking to them and they’re paying attention to him. Apparently, he quickly established their confidence and they got comfortable with him. It is disturbing as we all tell our children not to talk or deal with strangers.”

“The children might have seen him before. Maybe minutes before, became quite comfortable with him. They’re near their home. They feel good about standing there. They’re used to it, they were playing there and they feel protected and they were protected up until this point,” Owens explained. “And notice how they move… I’ve watched this many, many times and I keep looking for something. That film doesn’t tell me anymore than that they got. It’s disturbing.”

“The public is paramount in helping police find this person or persons. A kidnapping in law enforcement is a full core press; all agents, all policeman work kidnappings,” Owens said. “There is such anxiety in law enforcement to move quickly, to make good decisions quick, to get her back and to do that with much community involvement.”

Direct link to video:
https://w3.cdn.anvato.net/player/pr...WZXJzaW9uIjoiMy4zLjMifX0sImh0bWw1Ijp0cnVlfQ==
Former FBI agent gives insight on Kamille “Cupcake” McKinney investigation
 
So the reporter is saying that PS was charged with child *advertiser censored*? I didn’t think the charge specified the type of *advertiser censored*. Am I wrong?
MOO

OH YEAH. CP is illegal.

Take a look (from the WS Databases and Resources thread):

Citizen's Guide To U.S. Federal Law On Child *advertiser censored*

“18 U.S.C. § 2251- Sexual Exploitation of Children
(Production of child *advertiser censored*)
18 U.S.C. § 2251A- Selling and Buying of Children
18 U.S.C. § 2252- Certain activities relating to material involving the sexual exploitation of minors
(Possession, distribution and receipt of child *advertiser censored*)
18 U.S.C. § 2252A- certain activities relating to material constituting or containing child *advertiser censored*
18 U.S.C. § 2256- Definitions
18 U.S.C. § 2260- Production of sexually explicit depictions of a minor for importation into the United States

Images of child *advertiser censored* are not protected under First Amendment rights, and are illegal contraband under federal law. Section 2256 of Title 18, United States Code, defines child *advertiser censored* as any visual depiction of sexually explicit conduct involving a minor (someone under 18 years of age). Visual depictions include photographs, videos, digital or computer generated images indistinguishable from an actual minor, and images created, adapted, or modified, but appear to depict an identifiable, actual minor. Undeveloped film, undeveloped videotape, and electronically stored data that can be converted into a visual image of child *advertiser censored* are also deemed illegal visual depictions under federal law.

Notably, the legal definition of sexually explicit conduct does not require that an image depict a child engaging in sexual activity. A picture of a naked child may constitute illegal child *advertiser censored* if it is sufficiently sexually suggestive. Additionally, the age of consent for sexual activity in a given state is irrelevant; any depiction of a minor under 18 years of age engaging in sexually explicit conduct is illegal.

Federal law prohibits the production, distribution, reception, and possession of an image of child *advertiser censored* using or affecting any means or facility of interstate or foreign commerce (See 18 U.S.C. § 2251; 18 U.S.C. § 2252; 18 U.S.C. § 2252A). Specifically, Section 2251 makes it illegal to persuade, induce, entice, or coerce a minor to engage in sexually explicit conduct for purposes of producing visual depictions of that conduct. Any individual who attempts or conspires to commit a child *advertiser censored* offense is also subject to prosecution under federal law.

Federal jurisdiction is implicated if the child *advertiser censored* offense occurred in interstate or foreign commerce. This includes, for example, using the U.S. Mails or common carriers to transport child *advertiser censored* across state or international borders. Additionally, federal jurisdiction almost always applies when the Internet is used to commit a child *advertiser censored* violation. Even if the child *advertiser censored* image itself did not travel across state or international borders, federal law may be implicated if the materials, such as the computer used to download the image or the CD-ROM used to store the image, originated or previously traveled in interstate or foreign commerce.

In addition, Section 2251A of Title 18, United States Code, specifically prohibits any parent, legal guardian or other person in custody or control of a minor under the age of 18, to buy, sell, or transfer custody of that minor for purposes of producing child *advertiser censored*.

Lastly, Section 2260 of Title 18, United States Code, prohibits any persons outside of the United States to knowingly produce, receive, transport, ship, or distribute child *advertiser censored* with intent to import or transmit the visual depiction into the United States.

Any violation of federal child *advertiser censored* law is a serious crime, and convicted offenders face severe statutory penalties. For example, a first time offender convicted of producing child *advertiser censored* under 18 U.S.C. § 2251, face fines and a statutory minimum of 15 years to 30 years maximum in prison. A first time offender convicted of transporting child *advertiser censored* in interstate or foreign commerce under 18 U.S.C. § 2252, faces fines and a statutory minimum of 5 years to 20 years maximum in prison. Convicted offenders may face harsher penalties if the offender has prior convictions or if the child *advertiser censored* offense occurred in aggravated situations defined as (i) the images are violent, sadistic, or masochistic in nature, (ii) the minor was sexually abused, or (iii) the offender has prior convictions for child sexual exploitation. In these circumstances, a convicted offender may face up to life imprisonment.

It is important to note that an offender can be prosecuted under state child *advertiser censored* laws in addition to, or instead of, federal law.”

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Child *advertiser censored*

“Child *advertiser censored* Today

Because the term “child *advertiser censored*” is used in federal statutes, it is also commonly used by lawmakers, prosecutors, investigators, and the public to describe this form of sexual exploitation of children. However, this term fails to describe the true horror that is faced by countless children every year. The production of child *advertiser censored* creates a permanent record of a child’s sexual abuse. When these images are placed on the Internet and disseminated online, the victimization of the children continues in perpetuity. Experts and victims agree that victims depicted in child *advertiser censored* often suffer a lifetime of re-victimization by knowing the images of their sexual abuse are on the Internet forever. The children exploited in these images must live with the permanency, longevity, and circulation of such a record of their sexual victimization. This often creates lasting psychological damage to the child, including disruptions in sexual development, self-image, and developing trusting relationships with others in the future.

The expansion of the Internet and advanced digital technology lies parallel to the explosion of the child *advertiser censored* market. Child *advertiser censored* images are readily available through virtually every Internet technology, including social networking websites, file-sharing sites, photo-sharing sites, gaming devices, and even mobile apps. Child *advertiser censored* offenders can also connect on Internet forums and networks to share their interests, desires, and experiences abusing children, in addition to selling, sharing, and trading images.

These online communities have promoted communication and collaboration between child *advertiser censored* offenders, thereby fostering a larger relationship premised on a shared sexual interest in children. This has the effect of eroding the shame that typically would accompany this behavior, as well as desensitizing those involved to the physical and psychological damage caused to the child victims. For this reason, online communities attract and encourage new individuals to join them in the sexual exploitation of children.

The methods many offenders use to evade law enforcement detection have also become increasingly sophisticated. Purveyors of child *advertiser censored* continue to use various encryption techniques and anonymous networks on “The Dark Internet”, attempting to hide their amassed collections of illicit child abuse images. Several sophisticated online criminal organizations have even written security manuals to ensure that their members follow preferred security protocols and encryption techniques in an attempt to evade law enforcement and facilitate the sexual abuse of children.

Unfortunately, no area of the United States or country in the world is immune from individuals who seek to sexually exploit children through child *advertiser censored*. The continuous production and distribution of child *advertiser censored* increases the demand for new and more egregious images, perpetuating the continued molestation of child victims, as well as the abuse of new children.”
-more at link

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ICAC Task Force
Home

“The Internet Crimes Against Children Task Force Program is a national network of 61 coordinated task forces representing over 4,500 federal, state, and local law enforcement and prosecutorial agencies. These agencies are continually engaged in proactive and reactive investigations and prosecutions of persons involved in child abuse and exploitation involving the Internet.”

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Violent Crimes Against Children/Online Predators — FBI

“Investigations
Child Sexual Exploitation Investigations

Child sexual exploitation investigations—many of them undercover—are conducted in FBI field offices by Child Exploitation Task Forces (CETFs), which combine the resources of the FBI with those of other federal, state, and local law enforcement agencies. Each of the FBI’s 56 field offices has worked investigations developed by the VCAC program, and many of our Legal Attaché offices have coordinated with appropriate foreign law enforcement partners on international investigations. Several of these investigations are also worked in coordination with Internet Crimes Against Children (ICAC) Task Forces, which are funded by the Department of Justice. Furthermore, training is provided to all law enforcement involved in these investigations, including federal, state, local, and foreign law enforcement agencies.“

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“Investigative Priorities

Child abductions—child abductions, including domestic and international parental kidnapping
Child sexual exploitation enterprises—domestic child sex trafficking organizations; online networks and enterprises manufacturing, trading, distributing, and/or selling child *advertiser censored*
Contact offenses against children—domestic travel with intent to engage in illegal sexual activity with children; child sex tourism (international travel to engage in sexual activity with children); production of child *advertiser censored*, including “sextortion” involving children who are extorted into producing child *advertiser censored*; and coercion/enticement of a minor
Trafficking of child *advertiser censored*—distribution of child *advertiser censored*; possession of child *advertiser censored*.”

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Crimes against children / Crimes against children / Crime areas / Internet / Home - INTERPOL

“Crimes against children

Crimes against children tend to be local crimes with the vast majority taking place within the home or family circle. There are, however, a number of areas where there is an international angle:
Internet crimes: crimes against children are facilitated by the Internet, the increased use of which in recent years has led to a huge rise in offending. Not only can offenders distribute and access child abuse material more easily, but they can also come into direct contact with children – via chatrooms and social networking sites. We run a project in conjunction with Internet Access Service Providers to block access to child abuse material online. “

Access blocking / Crimes against children / Crime areas / Internet / Home - INTERPOL

“The "Worst of"-list
INTERPOL has taken responsibility for providing a list of domains containing child sexual abuse content to any (Internet) Access Service Provider (ASP) willing to participate in reducing the availability of such material on the Web.
INTERPOL's "Worst of"-list includes those domains that contain the most severe child sexual abuse material, according to defined criteria.“

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Child Exploitation Investigations Unit

“As part of ICE’s Cyber Crimes Center (C3), the CEIU uses cutting edge investigative techniques to bring justice to consumers, producers and distributors of child *advertiser censored*, as well as to predators engaging in child sex tourism. The efforts of the CEIU, in addition to ICE’s participation in national programs like Operation Predator and international partnerships like the Virtual Global Taskforce, have resulted in the rescue of thousands of children.“

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US DOJ
Report a Crime

Child *advertiser censored* and/or sexual exploitation of children
Call your local FBI field office or Legal Attache' Office
National Center for Missing and Exploited Children
800-THE-LOST (800-843-5678)
For more information see the Child Exploitation and Obscenity Section

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Child *advertiser censored* Victim Assistance (CPVA)

“The FBI’s Child *advertiser censored* Victim Assistance (CPVA) program serves as the central repository for information on identified victims of child *advertiser censored*. Pursuant to federal statutes, law enforcement may be required to notify victims each time images of their victimization are seized as part of an investigation. The amount and frequency of notifications can be overwhelming, especially as victims may have difficulty coping with the impact of the crime and its ongoing aftermath.

To help streamline the notification process, CPVA attempts to minimize any additional trauma by limiting unnecessary contact with victims through utilization of the centralized and automated DOJ Victim Notification System. Through this system, CPVA continues to ensure victims are advised of the rights and services they may be entitled to as a result of any federal cases opened against offenders found in possession of their images, regardless of how much time has passed since the original exploitation took place.

CPVA is a joint initiative and coordinates directly with law enforcement or victim/witness personnel at various federal agencies, U.S. Attorneys’ Offices, and the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children.“

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National Center for Missing and Exploited Children
Home

Child *advertiser censored* Resources and Information
 
I wondered the same,having now just watched on the big screen whereby I could actually make anything out,the first poi in the video looks shorter and stockier and could very possibly a larger woman, I think others have speculated the same thing in these threads too.

I’ve never thought they arrested the right people but that opinion has wavered a weeeee bit. If they did arrest the right women you’re right about her build. From her mug shot it appears they sewed 2 bedsheets together for her jail garb. Maybe they didn’t have anything that fit?

On another note, the screen rolling has ceased on all stations except the local FOX affiliate. I’m afraid time has gotten exponentially worse and we’re in recovery mode hence the search yesterday. I’m also disappointed that we’ve learned almost nothing in the last week. As much as the police have been begging for info they sure haven’t dangled enough to garner any response. At least correct the original report on the suspects (white women?), CupeCakes weight and any other pertinent info. How bout an expert calculating approx height of the video subjects? I’m sure there is plenty more they can safely release. They always say small tidbits might help, take your own advice Chief!
 
It can be something like not having hot water in the home, or any condition that can effect the welfare of the child.
I don't think we know why the children were removed, but there are many possibilities. Maybe she did not have appropriate living conditions or was not able to take care of them.
All we know is that the children had just been placed in another home, as far as I know.
I doubt we will find out any more about it, especially if that woman turns out not to be involved. Imo

I’d venture to guess the abuse could far exceed neglect.
 
I can't bring over the photos in post #486 by PommyMommy in Thread #1. They were taken the night of the arrest. And she doesn't look as large in these photos as she does in her mugshot.
I just don't think the first person walking by looks like a woman. He doesn't even look to be an overweight male. Maybe a large build, but not obese.

The second man looks larger to me.

Anyway, LE said they are looking for the first man who walked by, who is a POI.

They already know who the woman suspect is.

Imo
 
I just don't think the first person walking by looks like a woman. He doesn't even look to be an overweight male. Maybe a large build, but not obese.

The second man looks larger to me.

Anyway, LE said they are looking for the first man who walked by, who is a POI.

They already know who the woman suspect is.

Imo

Yeah I would suspect if it were the two POIs they already brought in for questioning why release the footage. I think person #1 is connected in some way for sure, even more so that they haven’t came forward to squash any doubts of wrong doing. Or maybe they have? We just don’t know enough.
 
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