Found Deceased AL - Paighton Houston, 29, left bar with 2 men, Birmingham, 20 Dec 2019

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Bottom line, no matter how old you are you don’t go to bars alone, in this day and age! My Daughter is 33, she is very happily married with 2 young sons, 2 1\2 and 6 months. I totally understand her need to get away. Even though she calls and says she’s going out. I ask about how many people. If she says 3, she’s good too go.( not that I could stop her) If Not, I pester the hell out of her to find more people. I finally told her why ( her and her husband think my Websleuths rule is ridiculous. ) I pray that is always true. In her defense, she was the one who always remembers to put lids on our drinks.
 
KCmetwo said:
They could take a screen shot from it if they are worried about something in the background. They did it in the Savannah Spurlock case, got a shot of her and the individuals she was with and released it.
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I'm sure they know that so there must be a different reason for not releasing the images of those men. Maybe it just shows them from behind or is otherwise too low quality to see facial features?
 
I suspect the reason police are not releasing the video is there is no point. Tin Roof at the very beginning said there were off-duty police at the club. It is possible that the two African-American men were either security, bouncers or off duty police and escorted her out the door. Her ATM card was found on the floor near the bar and it was reported she had a disagreement/argument with her friend/co-worker. Sorry, these may have been reported on FB and not allowed. In any case. if Paighton was disruptive she may have been escorted out the door and the two men would have just turned around and come back in. If this is the case, she may have been wandering outside and been picked up by anyone who promised her a ride. We actually may never know where she went or what happened to her. IMHO!
 
Looks like someone must have saw her leaving for them to have a street and direction. Maybe they have a description of the car. Hopefully they will release additional information soon. Unless there is a reason they feel releasing info would put her in danger, or there is a politician in the video, who doesn't want to be on camera, i can't imagine why they would not put that out to the public. Or, they just don't have video that would identify the two men. My dads from Birmingham. I haven't been there since the 80's but even back then, there were some majorly sketchy parts of town.
 
Agree with other posters that there is no reason to release the video if they don’t need the men identified. They probably know who they are already.
 
IMO if they knew who the two men were, they would have said she was escorted out of the place by security after causing a scene. If by some slim chance, they were security and off duty and just don't want to be at fault for a person going missing, then they would not have said anything about the two men.
 
The Handyman said:
I'm wondering this, myself. How many cases of missing young women actually turn out to have been trafficking cases? It seems like that's always a thought people have, but it never turns out that way.

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A few, and usually they already have a toe in (working in the sex trade, addicts or transient) - Corinna Slusser is one such that comes immediately to mind. Some really are innocent girls that get mixed up with th wrong guys - we had a case a couple years ago of a young 15-16yr old beautiful african american girl that hooked up with some older gang bangers who kidnapped her. She was recovered in a trafficking bust 3 weeks later in San Diego.

The thing is, trafficking victims are very hard to find, are not looked for as aggressively as other crime victims, and the ones found alive are not publicized on purpose. Paighton does not really fit the common trend in trafficking (in terms of being kidnapped, drugged and sold into sex slavery). Here is some published info:
United States Advisory Council on Human Trafficking Annual Report 2019 - United States Department of State
https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/245295.pdf
 
insearchoflight said:
Agree with other posters that there is no reason to release the video if they don’t need the men identified. They probably know who they are already.
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This is true. But they will also withold footage if the men are identified but have not yet been located.... for fear that they will run. So it's very hard to read too much into the fact that they have not released video.
 
insearchoflight said:
Agree with other posters that there is no reason to release the video if they don’t need the men identified. They probably know who they are already.
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On the chance that the two who escorted PH out really were employed by the Tin Roof, and therefore are not relevant to what specifically happened afterwards, there could a legal reason the Tin Roof itself (whose surveillance cameras presumably shot the footage) would demand the video be withheld. While I am no expert on each state's dram shop laws, the Tin Roof may be on the hook for a potential liability lawsuit in the future if PH was obviously impaired in some way and they just showed her the door and she eventually came to some harm. Per wikipedia: Different states' dram shop acts also differ as to whether a person who becomes intoxicated and injures themselves has a cause of action against the establishment that served them.
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UnderTheSouthernCross said:
On the chance that the two who escorted PH out really were employed by the Tin Roof, and therefore are not relevant to what specifically happened afterwards, there could a legal reason the Tin Roof itself (whose surveillance cameras presumably shot the footage) would demand the video be withheld. While I am no expert on each state's dram shop laws, the Tin Roof may be on the hook for a potential liability lawsuit in the future if PH was obviously impaired in some way and they just showed her the door and she eventually came to some harm. Per wikipedia: Different states' dram shop acts also differ as to whether a person who becomes intoxicated and injures themselves has a cause of action against the establishment that served them.
Just my 2d...
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Great point!!
 
bhammom said:
I suspect the reason police are not releasing the video is there is no point. Tin Roof at the very beginning said there were off-duty police at the club. It is possible that the two African-American men were either security, bouncers or off duty police and escorted her out the door. Her ATM card was found on the floor near the bar and it was reported she had a disagreement/argument with her friend/co-worker. Sorry, these may have been reported on FB and not allowed. In any case. if Paighton was disruptive she may have been escorted out the door and the two men would have just turned around and come back in. If this is the case, she may have been wandering outside and been picked up by anyone who promised her a ride. We actually may never know where she went or what happened to her. IMHO!
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bhammom said:
I suspect the reason police are not releasing the video is there is no point. Tin Roof at the very beginning said there were off-duty police at the club. It is possible that the two African-American men were either security, bouncers or off duty police and escorted her out the door. Her ATM card was found on the floor near the bar and it was reported she had a disagreement/argument with her friend/co-worker. Sorry, these may have been reported on FB and not allowed. In any case. if Paighton was disruptive she may have been escorted out the door and the two men would have just turned around and come back in. If this is the case, she may have been wandering outside and been picked up by anyone who promised her a ride. We actually may never know where she went or what happened to her. IMHO!
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Sorry, I meant to reply to the above quote by bhammom.
Now, that's some different information, i.e. that her ATM card was found on the floor near the bar and that she'd been involved in a disagreement with her friend or co-worker.
With respect to the footage not being released I wonder if the bar has asked (paid off?) LE to hold off releasing anything for fear of a lawsuit. (All of which does make me wonder if those "heavy-set" men were bouncers or security who escorted Paighton from the bar and then just left her there to fend for herself.) This is sheer speculation, of course.
 
Great points! Additionally if you go to Tin Roof's Facebook page, it's business as usual. They just drafted one comment about Paighton missing. Probably drafted by their attorney and made a point to say that they have been cooperating with LE and that they hire uniformed off duty cops some evenings and that they (plural) were there that evening.

Also on Facebook, Paighton's mother commented that she has not seen any video footage.
 
UnderTheSouthernCross said:
On the chance that the two who escorted PH out really were employed by the Tin Roof, and therefore are not relevant to what specifically happened afterwards, there could a legal reason the Tin Roof itself (whose surveillance cameras presumably shot the footage) would demand the video be withheld. While I am no expert on each state's dram shop laws, the Tin Roof may be on the hook for a potential liability lawsuit in the future if PH was obviously impaired in some way and they just showed her the door and she eventually came to some harm. Per wikipedia: Different states' dram shop acts also differ as to whether a person who becomes intoxicated and injures themselves has a cause of action against the establishment that served them.
Just my 2d...
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I hope I am understanding your comment....my apologies if I am not.
In the State of Alabama, Dram Shop Laws apply when a third party is injured vs if PH was injured. PH would have to injure someone - who would then sue the Tin Roof.
"Dram shop and social liability laws do not allow a person who is injured through their own intoxication to seek damages from the vendor or host who provided the alcohol"
Also, in this situation, the restaurant could not prevent LE from releasing video because a claim against the Tin Roof would first need to be filed.
 
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