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I wonder if GBC will want his children to visit him whilst he is at Arthur Gorrie?
 
:floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

LOVE the picture - but now our secret is out...! :woohoo:

:blushing:

EDIT: will be out for a few hours - you know how these things go! So I'm not ignoring anyone....
 
I wish the CM would do a bit more investigating ... like, has GBC's defence lodged an appeal against the denial of bail? ... or, what is TM up to, i.e. still hiding in the Blue Mountains? ... or is OW back in her home in Townsville? ... who are the other alleged mistresses? etc. etc.
 
Just read a comment on a FB page that is in relation to this case.
The admin wrote.

I would rather see innocent people in jail than guilty ones walking the street.:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::what:
 
Reading the Sica judgement where in sentencing reference is made (among other things) to covering tracks, deceiving police .... should sentencing be an outcome in the ABC case, the cost of police/other expert involvement has to be through the roof. At a time when huge numbers are being axed from the public service, the taxpayers have to cough up for all the costs associated with this crime. The emotional cost to family and friends simply can't ever be calculated.

Turning to the proposed appointment of a new supreme court judge - I think this is welcoming news. Firstly, it is a disgrace that remand prisoners should be on remand for so long. Let's assume some of those male/female inmates are innocent. I also thought that if a second bail hearing is requested, the argument of an unfair three year wait won't carry the same weight.

Just my ramblings ... at least it's put washing dishes on hold ...
 
I've been away for the past week - no, not in the naughty corner.

Good to see you sleuthers have given me so much to catch up on. Will save me doing any work for days.

Is 9th July still the next court date?

Missed you all.
 
Re Max Sica sentencing:
"Pursuant to s.305(2) of the Criminal Code, it is ordered that you must not be
released from imprisonment until you have served a minimum of 35 years
imprisonment, unless released sooner under exceptional circumstances parole under
the Corrective Services Act 2006."
http://archive.sclqld.org.au/qjudgment/2012/QSC12-184.pdf

I wonder what exceptional circumstances are?

I've tried searching in the Correctives Services Act 2006 but can't find any examples or definitions of this. Certainly shows there is no certainty in legal decisions - there are sometimes loopholes or opportunities to override a judgement or decision.
http://www.legislation.qld.gov.au/LEGISLTN/CURRENT/C/CorServA06.pdf
 
CaseClosed said:
I wish the CM would do a bit more investigating ... like, has GBC's defence lodged an appeal against the denial of bail? ... or, what is TM up to, i.e. still hiding in the Blue Mountains? ... or is OW back in her home in Townsville? ... who are the other alleged mistresses? etc. etc.
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Yes, I also wonder about the woman he allegedly met at the conference - she was mentioned quite close to the time the arrest was made from memory. I wonder if her role is significant or if the mention of her was purely to put the wind up GBC at that point in time......
 
Woww just looking back through some old reports about Sica's committal hearing...seems there was loads of information released throughout the whole hearing...

14 Aug 2009

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/desperate-sica-made-brain-tumour-plea-20090814-ekjz.html

17 Aug 2009

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/pitchfork-used-in-singh-killings-20090817-enbk.html

February 16, 2010

A Supreme Court judge has blasted as "wasteful" a six-month committal hearing into the murders of Brisbane's Singh children.

Justice Richard Chesterman this morning dismissed accused triple killer Max Sica's latest bail bid.

This despite his lawyers' complaints it could be late next year by the time the 40-year-old faces trial for the 2003 slayings

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...steful-judge-20100216-o4rm.html#ixzz1zk6yecx0
 
What are the other offences Max Sica has been charged with or accused of? I think one is indecent things epwith someone under age. Ay others that aren't as well known? It sounds like more than one.

Re GBC, where is the hearing on Monday? I have the day off and could just walk to Roma Street if it's at one of those courts. Is that day an actual hearing or just a prelim to it?
 
Nads said:
What are the other offences Max Sica has been charged with or accused of? I think one is indecent things epwith someone under age. Ay others that aren't as well known? It sounds like more than one.

Re GBC, where is the hearing on Monday? I have the day off and could just walk to Roma Street if it's at one of those courts. Is that day an actual hearing or just a prelim to it?
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He was charged with arson offences - was in the news articles from today.

"At the time of the murders in 2003, Sica was on parole after pleading guilty to charges as a 19-year-old, including arson, of burning down the Ashgrove police station and attempting to torch a second station. Yesterday's verdict brings to a close one of Australia's longest-running criminal investigations, involving hundreds of police."
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...killer-convicted/story-e6frg6nf-1226416179987
 
Strangeworld said:
Re Max Sica sentencing:
"Pursuant to s.305(2) of the Criminal Code, it is ordered that you must not be
released from imprisonment until you have served a minimum of 35 years
imprisonment, unless released sooner under exceptional circumstances parole under
the Corrective Services Act 2006."
http://archive.sclqld.org.au/qjudgment/2012/QSC12-184.pdf

I wonder what exceptional circumstances are?

I've tried searching in the Correctives Services Act 2006 but can't find any examples or definitions of this. Certainly shows there is no certainty in legal decisions - there are sometimes loopholes or opportunities to override a judgement or decision.
http://www.legislation.qld.gov.au/LEGISLTN/CURRENT/C/CorServA06.pdf
Click to expand...

I was wondering whether "exceptional circumstances" relate to a prisoner having a serious possibly life threatening medical condition. Perhaps being at a point where there is no way that they could re offend again because of their health status. I don't know whether this is correct or not. So please don't take this as fact. We need someone like Hawkins or Keentoknow to tell us for sure what this means.

Interestingly, Julian Knight, the person responsible for the Hoddle St massacre in Melbourne, has just been informed by the parole board that he will not be released on parole next year. I take that to mean that the parole board still see that he would be a threat to society if he was released. It is good that we have such checks and balances about a persons release from prison when they may still pose a threat to innocent people in the community.
 
Nads said:
What are the other offences Max Sica has been charged with or accused of? I think one is indecent things epwith someone under age. Ay others that aren't as well known? It sounds like more than one.

Re GBC, where is the hearing on Monday? I have the day off and could just walk to Roma Street if it's at one of those courts. Is that day an actual hearing or just a prelim to it?
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Re Sica, I'm fairly sure that rape is the most serious of these other crimes. There are a few - I read the list only yesterday - just can't remember where! I think he's facing trial in Jan for these.
 
Nads said:
What are the other offences Max Sica has been charged with or accused of? I think one is indecent things epwith someone under age. Ay others that aren't as well known? It sounds like more than one.

Re GBC, where is the hearing on Monday? I have the day off and could just walk to Roma Street if it's at one of those courts. Is that day an actual hearing or just a prelim to it?
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He is due to appear in the Brisbane Magistrates Court on July 9 for committal mention

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/secur...lay-bail-hearing/story-e6frea6u-1226405320824
 
Strangeworld said:
He was charged with arson offences - was in the news articles from today.

"At the time of the murders in 2003, Sica was on parole after pleading guilty to charges as a 19-year-old, including arson, of burning down the Ashgrove police station and attempting to torch a second station. Yesterday's verdict brings to a close one of Australia's longest-running criminal investigations, involving hundreds of police."
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...killer-convicted/story-e6frg6nf-1226416179987
Click to expand...

I wonder if the jury got to hear about his past offences?
 
The first mention date

The defendant’s first day in court is called the ‘mention’ date, which they must not miss.

There are no witnesses at the first mention and the magistrate makes all decisions based on the information presented.

What happens
The first mention may proceed as follows:

•when the magistrate is ready, the depositions clerk calls the defendant into the courtroom
•the deposition clerk will call ‘all rise’ as the magistrate enters and sits at the bench
•the prosecutor then stands and reads out the charges against the defendant
•the magistrate asks the defendant ‘how do you plead, guilty or not guilty?’ and the defence lawyer (or the defendant) will stand and respond

http://www.justice.qld.gov.au/justi...ourt/magistrates-court/the-first-mention-date
 
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