GUILTY AR - Dawna Natzke, 46, Hot Springs Village, 21 Dec 2011

[angelmom]

“He didn’t push me i fell and he caught me. I had taken a pain pill and was tour up?
"

What was the person trying to say?:waitasec:

Translation: "I had taken a pain pill
And was trashed/high/wrecked/f'ed up."

This has been a public service announcement from a member who grew up with rednecks.


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[my_tee_mouse]

Translation: "I had taken a pain pill
And was trashed/high/wrecked/f'ed up."

This has been a public service announcement from a member who grew up with rednecks.


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I speak Redneck as well. And I've been known to use it from time to time. But something tells me it wasn't Dwana speaking "Redneck" this particular time.

 

[ruthieroo]

I would ASSume he meant "tore" up. I'm wondering though, just to play devil's advocate, perhaps autocorrect changed it??

I have an IPhone and have auto correction enabled.

I just wrote out the same wording in the text that was sent to PH and it didn't give me 'tour' instead of 'tore'. I tried writing 'tore' and it accepted that. I tried 'tor' a few times it gave me 'for' or 'tot'.

Not sure if this helps or not just thought I'd try it and see what I got.

 

[TGIRecovered]

Does anyone know if LE released an approximate time of death?

I suspect that the final text message was sent at least several hours after Dawna was killed.

 

[cluciano63]

I don't know that they will able to determine time of death that closely, she was in water and in the elements for days.

 

[GannyP]

Translation: "I had taken a pain pill
And was trashed/high/wrecked/f'ed up."

This has been a public service announcement from a member who grew up with rednecks.


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Thanks, got it now. I was married to a redneck for 20 years but he was killed about 15 yrs ago so I guess it has worn off. Except for YALL!

 

[Angelonline]

Quick observation based on the text message.. yes in redneck speak it means "tore up" and KD is known to speak redneck from all previous reports, another thing I have found (at least in my (red) neck of the woods) that "tore up" is more commonly used by men than women.
Initial observations by me: the whole case bothers me. Usually LE takes care of their own something fiercly, escpecially within a small dept like this.. Questions I have: For what reasons did they not take initial reports seriously? What reason(s) did they not launch an all out search immediately upon reports of her being missing? What reason(s) did they turn down offers of help from other departments? Thinks that make me go hmmmm. Just odd to me. Is KD connected somehow? Did Dawna meet him thru an LE friend? Or was Dawna not well liked at the "station" perhaps, for whatever reasons (not victim bashing here by any means, just trying to come up with a rationale for this odd behaviour by LE). Can anyone with friends or family in LE shed any light on why they think a dispatcher would not be a high priority within a local department?

 

[cluciano63]

I do know that a relative of Dawn's was on NG and said that LE was in touch with them constantly, were extremely concerned about Dawna and her family...not sure what happened as far as the searching delay, I thought it was the fact that they did not learn about the car from the park police right away and then had to identify it. But I did hear the family member (sister?) speak highly of the communication they had with LE about Dawna. FWIW

 

[angelmom]

I speak Redneck as well. And I've been known to use it from time to time. But something tells me it wasn't Dwana speaking "Redneck" this particular time.

I totally agree. I was only trying to clarify the meaning of the text.

If a female friend had sent that to me I'd be concerned too. It sounds just like a guy!


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[Penelope]

Quick observation based on the text message.. yes in redneck speak it means "tore up" and KD is known to speak redneck from all previous reports, another thing I have found (at least in my (red) neck of the woods) that "tore up" is more commonly used by men than women.
Initial observations by me: the whole case bothers me. Usually LE takes care of their own something fiercly, escpecially within a small dept like this.. Questions I have: For what reasons did they not take initial reports seriously? What reason(s) did they not launch an all out search immediately upon reports of her being missing? What reason(s) did they turn down offers of help from other departments? Thinks that make me go hmmmm. Just odd to me. Is KD connected somehow? Did Dawna meet him thru an LE friend? Or was Dawna not well liked at the "station" perhaps, for whatever reasons (not victim bashing here by any means, just trying to come up with a rationale for this odd behaviour by LE). Can anyone with friends or family in LE shed any light on why they think a dispatcher would not be a high priority within a local department?

I don't live anywhere near Arkansas, but have been following this case very closely. Based on comments from posters living in the area, I believe that this LE is basically a security company paid by the homeowners association (which is a corporation) to patrol their neighborhood and keep the peace. When Dawna disappeared, a series of events and miscommunication took place that delayed any kind of BOLO or search for her. I believe it is because the "corporation" wanted to keep things quiet so as not to let anyone, including potential home purchasers, know that there was a "problem in paradise". Also, it was Christmas, and the corporation did not want anyone to work overtime during the holiday. Finally, the Village Police, regardless of whether it's chief is ex-FBI, did not have the resources and Know-how to effectively deal with the situation and I imagine its leaders were hoping the situation would take care of itself and Dawna would return. Unfortunately, that did not happen and a worst-case scenario took place with her murder.

If I were living in the community, I would be outraged and would very seriously think about moving unless BIG changes were made regarding the operation of its police and the entire corporation.

 

[Angelonline]

I do know that a relative of Dawn's was on NG and said that LE was in touch with them constantly, were extremely concerned about Dawna and her family...not sure what happened as far as the searching delay, I thought it was the fact that they did not learn about the car from the park police right away and then had to identify it. But I did hear the family member (sister?) speak highly of the communication they had with LE about Dawna. FWIW

It appears to me though that the sister is referring to the extended force handling the situation now, as the sister was not in contact with local le at the begining. Her friend reported the text message, Dawna did not show up for work, her children called inquiring about her. All of those are huge red flags to any LE especially if Dawna is a trusted and punctional member of their team. In addition they turned down offers from the sherrif's dept. to help search... why would anyone do that?? Okay you dont have manpower or resources, it is the holidays... but a member of your office is missing... sherrifs dept says "let us help" and you say "no thanks." What the HELL'O... seriously... SMH
In all likelihood this would not help bring Dawna back but it darn sure might have helped name a suspect and preserve potentially lost evidence.. Look how fast she was found once people did orgranize a search...

 

[Joe Friday]

I don't know that they will able to determine time of death that closely, she was in water and in the elements for days.

Where was it reported that she was found "in" the pond?

From what I have read she was found "near" the pond.

Here are a few links there are many more.

Lt. James "Corky" Martin with the Garland County Sheriff's Office says his agency hasn't been involved in the investigation into Natzke's disappearance other than to aid in the search near where Natzke's vehicle was found last week. "We're starting from scratch. We offered assistance early in the investigation but all we were asked to do was aid in the search. Our investigation began today."
Dawna's body was found near the above pond

Conett says he has not seen the body and he does not know if there were any visible wounds like gunshots or stab wounds to the body that was recovered near a pond about 9:00 this morning.

http://www.jaspercountysentinel.com...e-dispatcher-confirmed-to-be-dawna-natzke.txt

http://www.ozarkssentinel.com/?p=4117

http://crimesceneinvestigations.blogspot.com/2012/01/authorities-wont-name-person-of.html

The only place I see that she was "in" the pond is FB. We all know how reliable that site is for accurate information.

 

[Angelonline]

SNIPPED FOR SPACE.... I believe it is because the "corporation" wanted to keep things quiet so as not to let anyone, including potential home purchasers, know that there was a "problem in paradise".

If I were living in the community, I would be outraged and would very seriously think about moving unless BIG changes were made regarding the operation of its police and the entire corporation.

I agree if I lived in this community I would be outraged as well. Dawna was a member of LE. If they took this long to take serious a disappearance by one of their own, then just think if you or I were a regular homeowner and went missing in this community!! In fact I am outraged on Dawna's behalf! RIP Dawna.

 

[Penelope]

It appears to me though that the sister is referring to the extended force handling the situation now, as the sister was not in contact with local le at the begining. Her friend reported the text message, Dawna did not show up for work, her children called inquiring about her. All of those are huge red flags to any LE especially if Dawna is a trusted and punctional member of their team. In addition they turned down offers from the sherrif's dept. to help search... why would anyone do that?? Okay you dont have manpower or resources, it is the holidays... but a member of your office is missing... sherrifs dept says "let us help" and you say "no thanks." What the HELL'O... seriously... SMH
In all likelihood this would not help bring Dawna back but it darn sure might have helped name a suspect and preserve potentially lost evidence.. Look how fast she was found once people did orgranize a search...

I totally agree with you. How could the "corporation" police force have turned down offers from the sherrif's department to help search for her? As it stands, when they found her body, evidence must have been downgraded. And the fact that the crime scene around the burned-out car was disturbed because the car was towed away before they realized its significance.

If a BOLO was sent out immediately to other LE departments and the general vicinity, including a description of Dawna's car, the connections would have been made a heck of a lot quicker.

BTW -- I am sure that many members of the community would have given up their Christmas or Boxing Day activities to search for her. I would do it for someone missing in my community -- I would not have to think twice.

 

[LibbeWDC]

Where was it reported that she was found "in" the pond?


It was reported to the volunteers at Jessieville HS on Saturday morning's search that her body was found "in the pond" and the language "near the edge of the pond" was also used by some who were speaking around the sign in/out sheets later. "Near the edge" obviously including the potential for both "in" and "out" and may be the source of confusion. I did not get a sense that the body was very far into the pond, but that an effort had been made to hide the body in the water, and unspecified animals had accessed it.


http://arkansasmatters.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=494877
"Natzke's teal Ford Escort station wagon was found burned in the Ouachita National Forest Christmas day. Fast forward to December 31st and what's believed to be Natzke's body was found in a pond off of West Main Haul Road."


http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/body-found-search-missing-ark-woman-15265967#.TwcNliNST9U
"Authorities wouldn't describe the condition of the body, but Martin said foul play is suspected in the death. Crime scene tape stretched across pine trees blocked access to the area, including a pond."

 

[LibbeWDC]

BTW -- I am sure that many members of the community would have given up their Christmas or Boxing Day activities to search for her. I would do it for someone missing in my community -- I would not have to think twice.

Amen. And that is the source of frustration of many Villagers and folks from neighboring communities. We very much wanted to help and were more or less contained and proscribed from it until the Saturday Dec 31 "non-sanctioned" search. I am unclear how so many other communities manage to have searches that embrace the help of the residents and don't "ruin" the investigation, yet this "1000 Points of Light" volunteer community could not. Maybe simply resource short? Then why reject assistance from neighboring counties and professional Texan Equine Search Teams.. and around and around illogically... whatever!

 

[Penelope]

Amen. And that is the source of frustration of many Villagers and folks from neighboring communities. We very much wanted to help and were more or less contained and proscribed from it until the Saturday Dec 31 "non-sanctioned" search. I am unclear how so many other communities manage to have searches that embrace the help of the residents and don't "ruin" the investigation, yet this "1000 Points of Light" volunteer community could not. Maybe simply resource short? Then why reject assistance from neighboring counties and professional Texan Equine Search Teams.. and around and around illogically... whatever!

If I were a member of your community, once an arrest is made in this case (and hopefully enough forensic evidence still exists to assist in making the arrest), I would lobby for changes. All would take would be a sizable group of homeowners who refuse to pay their monthly fees (taxes?) to the corporation and instead put the $$ into a trust account until changes are made to the protocols in dealing with serious crime in your community. This would include having county/district police automatically taking over the investigation, etc. Until this is done, IMO no one is safe from robbery, assault or murder. Especially with all the mainstream press focus on your community -- you are akin to sitting ducks!

 

[lauriej]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nati ... 2423.story

APNewsBreak: Slain Ark. police dispatcher's friend describes text from woman's cellphone
--snipped--

Natzke, a 46-year-old mother of three, opted for phone calls, too, instead of text messages.

"She only texts me if she was at work," Hathaway said. "Otherwise, she'd always, always call me."

"She called me every day at approximately 10 o'clock cause she knows I don't like sleeping in," said Hathaway who works at a local bar.

Hathaway, who last saw Natzke at the holiday party, said her friend wasn't acting like herself that night. So, she pulled Natzke aside and the two friends were talking until she said Duck "came barging in on us." Natzke and Duck left together sometime between 10:30 p.m. and 11. Hathaway left a short time later.

 

[JeannaT]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nati ... 2423.story

APNewsBreak: Slain Ark. police dispatcher's friend describes text from woman's cellphone
--snipped--

Interesting. Sure doesn't sound like it came from someone like Dawna to me, either. It's the kind of thing someone sort of illiterate would write. "I had taken a pain pill and was dizzy" would be more like her, it seems. Not "tour up".

 

[tiredblondy]

Any News? I did a quick search but did not find any?