Area Body Found in "Too Strange" Was it Searched?

[TURBOTHINK]

I don't think she was moved. LE and TM both seemed to think the bag was there for a long time.

I understand what you're saying about the dogs, and it's probably a fluke that they didn't find a trail.

Can you imagine of CA had given TM something of Caylee's, like he requested and she refused?? Caylee would have been found on that first search.

Obstruction charges? I think they've been coming - from day one.



KC is lazy and it appears a bit stupid. Above all else, she is spiteful .

If LE was in that area with cadaver dogs and the bag was underwater, the scent would be readily identified by them. But, if dogs were brought in, they may not have been using cadaver dogs.

In most instances S/R dogs are not trained in cadaver searches. More are beginning to be cross trained, now but that is relatively new. It could be they just had their k9 units in the area which are trained differently than both of the others and for a different purpose. Search dogs and cadaver dogs are trained differently and just because they had one type there doesn't mean they had both. Ideally, to have brought in both would have been the best, but they can't have the dogs everywhere.

I don't remember reading about having the dogs in that area. Now, where I do feel LE fell down in this was when the neighborhood teens found that hole, and the newly disturbed ground, them telling the boys it was a bomb instead of bringing the dogs in then. I really don't understand that, but there may be more to that than we know just yet too.

 

[gardenhart]

Excellent point about her lies being blatant and she told them with confidence too.
So do you think the spot was under water when the baby was buried?

That would make it even odder.

That was the point that the kid was making - that the entire area back there was under water most of the year and had only dried up very recently because it's dry in the fall.

Someone in another thread speculated it might have been dry enough for kids to use when we had the bad droughts here in the East in the late 90s into the early 2000s. That would have been when Casey was younger. I have a swampy area on my land that dried up some during those droughts but never dried up completely. The water level went down to maybe 6-8 inches. It also goes down later in the summer and in the fall and gets a lot deeper in the spring when we have more rain.

And I'm sure we get a lot less rain here than they do in Florida. We get less rain here (Shenandoah Valley) than in the rest of Virginia. And I think most of the East Coast gets less rain in the fall. We don't get the direct hits from hurricanes either.

Perhaps she thought throwing it in water would make decomposition occur faster? I would guess the smell was getting so bad, she had to do something fast and like many have pointed out, she doesn't seem the type to hike through the woods, dig holes or even think things out and consider consequences to any great extent.

And there's the fact that she had Tony pick her up on Suburban saying her car was out of gas. Maybe she was planning on going somewhere further away, the car cut off and she threw the body in a panic.

BTW, I counted houses on Google maps and it looks like this spot, or rather the intersection, is 20 or 21 houses from the A's. I wonder if she could have walked back there behind the houses on Hopesprings? I don't think she's the type to walk for miles lugging a body either. I do wonder, if she approached the area from the street, how no one saw anything.

 

[Baznme]

In Kiomarie's statement to LE on July 17th I believe she gave the exact location stating that they use to hang out there as kids.

Kiomarie took LE to the spot she was referring to. Suburban Dr. wasn't it.

 

[natsound]

When I first heard that they are searching the A home again my first thought was that they wanna prove that something happened recently and it's related to the crime.

I mean,why seize the vaccums etc after so much time?

Hmmmm.... please explain.

 

[Elley Mae]

Kiomarie took LE to the spot she was referring to. Suburban Dr. wasn't it.

Where was it?

 

[Balthazar]

Kiomarie took LE to the spot she was referring to. Suburban Dr. wasn't it.

That is exactly what Kiomarie said. Chickasaw at Suburban, which is EXACTLY where Caylee was found. Now the kid who lives near there said that the exact area where Caylee was found was knee deep in water. Knee deep is about 2 feet of water. What are the chances that a plastic bag couldn't be seen in the small amount of water?

 

[Recovering-Lurker]

Yes, she did.

And please, look at this video. This judge has read the search warrant and from that he thinks the police think the body was moved to the spot!

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=8055166&version=1&locale=EN-US

Oh wow!!!

 

[TxRose]

When I first heard that they are searching the A home again my first thought was that they wanna prove that something happened recently and it's related to the crime.

I mean,why seize the vaccums etc after so much time?

Oh interesting! So you mean something like they found something on the body that was seen at the house earlier in the investigation?

 

[Lexington]

Could it possibly be, given George's extremely nervous behavior on LKL Wednesday, that he had knowledge of the location of Caylee's remains. That in tooling around the neighborhood with the sign, or going to and from work, he was able to observe the water conditions at the site of disposal by just taking a quick look out the window of the vehicle as he passed. As stated, if the water went down just a little over a week ago, was he getting increasingly nervous that the remains would be found. On LKL he was so nervous that I thought he was going to fall apart right on TV. Could the reason be that he was just waiting for that call saying that the remains had been located?

 

[TURBOTHINK]

I don't think the location of the body is odd at all. Casey was/is L-A-Z-Y & S-T-U-P-I-D.

The dope didn't work in over two years. She didn't even give two weeks notice when she was employed, she just stopped showing up for work. When she forged one of Amy's stolen checks, she signed her own name. When she ran out of gas, she called TonE to pick her up to go break into her parent's shed for gas. She was so lazy that she couldn't walk a 1/4 mile to her own house and get gas herself, she had TonE with his handy crowbar do it for her. I'm sure there's a million more examples of her laziness/stupidity.

Is it really a surprise that she wouldn't want to be too put out by the pesky task of disposing of her burdensome daughter's body?

That seems to be the most logical conclusion. She was a lazy slug and just dumper Caylee the easiest place. I don't know if it shows on the map but that road from the end of Suburban goes across to another road if you drive through the woods, and she probably just dumped her and went on her merry way to Tony's.

 

[Baznme]

Where was it?

Directly behind the elementary school. There's a fence there now but there wasn't in June. There's footage somewhere of the search there.

 

[gardenhart]

Yes, she did.

And please, look at this video. This judge has read the search warrant and from that he thinks the police think the body was moved to the spot!

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=8055166&version=1&locale=EN-US

Could have been moved from the A's backyard. It was obviously in the car or the hair and stain wouldn't be there, so, yes, it was moved at some point. Didn't the forensic evidence show the body had been in the car for around 2.5 days? Or was that had been deceased for 2.5 days?

So she stashes it in the yard for a couple of days or drives it around for a couple of days and then dumps it in the spot where it was found. That gives me shivers. What kind of coldhearted reptile drives their dead child around for days? I know, the kind who is coldhearted enough to kill the child to begin with.

 

[Baznme]

Oh interesting! So you mean something like they found something on the body that was seen at the house earlier in the investigation?

I would venture to say they will be putting the filters of the vacuum cleaners under the microscope.

 

[fox1950]

Casey isn't going to take the rap for anyone. If she last saw her with Cindy then she would have said so.

I think the body has been there all along. Probably covered up with dirt or other things like branches, tree limbs. I think the storm kept the body from being found for a long time-even through searches were done she was missed.

The foul odor suspected to be from the dog only added to the confusion.

When the water went down, the evidence was uncovered.

Didn't they find duct tape in Casey's car and a knife?

 

[AlwaysShocked]

I don't think a dark plastic bag on the ground in dense brush covered with 2 ft. of water would be readily seen.

Vacuum cleaner = dog hairs from the Anthony's dogs

If there are dog hairs on any of the duct tape that means the tape came from the Anthoy house.

 

[JBean]

If you look at David Lohr's blog (Investigative Discovery) dated September 7, 2008, you will see where a poster named KRH listed the woods behind the school as a possible location to search. This person even put the address of the school in the post.
I wonder if Casey was still in jail on that date. Wonder who KRH is?
I believe the FBI labs will be able to determine how long the bag had been there. I know the grass was dead underneath the bag and there was an indentation in the earth there. The bag may not have been there as long as we think, tho. JMO

I wonder how far the fence is from where the bag was found. When I first read that a garbage bag with remains in it had been found, I also wondered if it had been moved one or two months prior to it being found.

I just cannot see how there would be any correlation between the Anthony's being out of town and the meter reader having to go relieve himself.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3045906&postcount=15

You guys should really go post and read in the sticky forum with the sleuths going through the ping maps, cell records and other factual information. They are brilliant up there.

forget KHR, just go to the sticky forum

 

[gardenhart]

Directly behind the elementary school. There's a fence there now but there wasn't in June. There's footage somewhere of the search there.

If the video on WESH is right, it isn't behind the school, it's across Suburban and to the west of the school. From that video, it appears the search tent is set up behind the last house on Hopesprings, right at the intersection with Suburban, on the opposite side of Suburban from the school. It would be on the same side of Hopesprings as the A's house about 20 houses up from there.

http://www.wesh.com/video/18267742/index.html video of reporter driving from A's house to the search scene

 

[st. crispian]

Sorry if all this has been posted and discussed, but I just got here this morning and here are my random thoughts:

All along Casey had been planning to stick to her story, and said so, about the nanny being responsible. She even covered her tracks by floating the "fact" that she had given Zanny a key to their house.

She was adament that couldn't say anything in detail about where Caylee was because the kidnappers told her harm could come to Caylee. The duct tape was applied to Caylee post-mortem by Casey to make it look like an abduction.

The abandoned car at Amscot was also Zanny's doing after she stole the car from Casey and drove it around with Caylee in the trunk.

I think all the pings everyone was so excited about were Casey's doing to throw everyone off. Caylee was right under our noses the whole time - hiding in plain sight so to speak.

The way I see it, the only way to definitively pin this on Casey beyond a reasonable doubt is if they find her prints on the duct tape.

 

[Seamaid]

Except that she didn't just wrap it up and get rid of it. She carried that little body around in her car long enough for the smell to completely permeate the car...and to an extent that it STILL smells now. But I also think that it is likely that the child died in the trunk...either from chloroform or from something like heat stroke.

Yeah, I should have added that to my post....the big question is what would have happened between her being put to sleep in the trunk and her being buried. Obviously there was a bit of time between those two incidents. I just can't wrap my brain around the possibility that she either forgot Caylee was in the trunk or that she was just unable to deal with the fact that Caylee was dead so she left her there to rot.....

 

[concentric]

Why are there two threads on this topic?