ARREST!!! Australia - Allison Baden-Clay, Brisbane QLD, 19 April 2012 -#24

[SapphireSteel]

I am highly doubting bail will be made, but if so..wonder where that money would come from??

I believe his family is wealthy...also, bail is without cost in Australia.

He would be released to a certain address and whoever has bailed him will be guarantor, but no money will actually change hands unless he absconds.

 

[Fuskier]

I agree that social media has great benefits. Social media has helped people become informed and have opinions.

A problem is that a jury is supposed to determine guilt based on evidence heard in court and not on what they have read or heard about the particular case. A legal issue may be whether the defendant will be able to get a fair trial if the jury is drawn from a public that has already formed opinions against the defendant based on information gained from outside the trial.

As Mark Twain said in his 4th of July speech in 1873,



While members of Websleuths seek justice for Allison, the Defence in this case might well cite the opinions of Websleuthers as evidence that a defendant cannot get a fair trial. This is not to say that the Defence would be wrong or right in making that argument, I am just flagging it. Perhaps these days you cannot rely on getting a jury that does not know anything about a case. Trials might have to place a greater reliance on the presiding judge cautioning and directing the jury to disregard what they have heard or read outside the trial.

WONDER WOMAN: in the ever increasing complex world, ordinary people need a place to express their opinions and IMO 'social media' as a vehicle to express opinions is here to stay. Social media operates outside of any Court room and should have no bearing on what 'evidence' is admissable inside the court room. The judge could direct a Jury to regard only evidence presented before the Court, and disregard social media opinion outside of the Court room. It that way a 'contained' space for hearing evidence specific to that case is achieved. My opinion only, not fact.

 

[Fuskier]

Police seek advice on Facebook posts

Here are some of the QPolice comments about social media:

The Queensland Police Service has sought legal advice on some Facebook comments posted about the arrest of Gerard Baden-Clay...
...The police service says social media has been "invaluable" in communicating with the public and enlisting its assistance, drawing more than 4000 pieces of feedback every day
..."The public has the right to know about the work of the QPS," the spokesman said..."

 

[dork_whisperer]

I think it would be much more interesting if our on line names were used and we were dressed as some of the avatars displayed and turned up at court for duty

Funny you should say that...

 

[Wozzle]

I believe his family is wealthy...also, bail is without cost in Australia.

He would be released to a certain address and whoever has bailed him will be guarantor, but no money will actually change hands unless he absconds.

His family is wealthy? Which 'family' in particular? A previous poster (sorry no link!) has informed us that the BCs senior have now a $300,000 mortgage on their (relatively modest) Kenmore home....apparently a fairly 'recent' occurrence....and presumably taken out to bail GBC out of some of his financial 'difficulties'. All 'hearsay' of course, but it IS very curious, if this is true, how GBC is able to 'afford' his pricey legal team. Again I mention the exhorbitant legal fees of GBC's defence, when the poor SHEs are having to be beneficiaries of public generosity. That sucks!!! (big time). What are those girls going to make of this in the future? (Another nail in the coffin of their relationship with the father who changed their lives so cruelly and irrevocably...allegedly, of course!) However having seen that screen grab of GBC's face at the funeral when with his darling girls......it indeed appears an expression of 'grief' IMO...so thankfully he IS capable of some sort of feeling towards Allison's passing....even if it is only to acknowledge what misery he has caused his darling daughters (rather than remorse for what he has allegedly done to Allison).

 

[Fuskier]

June 19, 2012 12:00AM



...It also was revealed yesterday that police have applied to the court to have Baden-Clay's beard removed to allow for further forensic testing.


http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...bail-application/story-e6freon6-1226398961608

This shows that QPolice are doing a thorough forensic investigation. Good work QPolice.

 

[Fuskier]

I had not seen this article before (basically same info), which contains a cropped close-up of GBC's face at the funeral. It is the only pic I have seen where he is showing emotion and IMO he is genuinely grieving.

http://www.qt.com.au/story/2012/06/15/baden-clay-team-fights-for-release/

Respectfully, we can interpret this visual many different ways. What 'grieving' means to one person, may mean something different to another person. His facial expression may be in response to some thought he was having. There are no tears, but it is more of a grimace. We could only comprehend this grimace if we knew what he was thinking about at that time. It could mean anything. Seeing the context was that he was standing before his wife's funeral casket, maybe the murder scene was replaying in his mind. Possible. My opinion only, not fact.

 

[Fuskier]

In what way, apart from an extra month's growth and nifty trim-job?

You mean it might have been tinted?

Good observation, because it was grey around the chin in earlier photos. It seems to have been tinted since.

 

[Rational]

Funny you should say that...

You are such a dork!!!! :floorlaugh:

 

[CaseClosed]

Channel 9 Morning News - QPS have received okay from Court to have GBC shave his beard off. Media does not know why this was requested.

Also confirmation bail hearing will be at 2:30 pm Thursday. GBC remains in medical unit of remand centre.

 

[Aunty]

Thanks for the post..and without telling anyone what they should or shouldn't say..think it may be wise to be a bit cautious (all of us) on the comments and judgements we make about the accused. For the sake that we all want to see justice for Allison and do not want to give any defendents a good excuse for a mistrial or anything of the sought.(though I believe there would be motion for moving the trial before that happens, but sure others will know more on this side of things)..just MOO

Rather than feeling gaged by the defense and their legal games to shut us up, lets post on each page using a chosen emoticon and a positive post ( so we all know that it's a post that is to be accepted and not argued or discussed)
welcome4:

 

[CaseClosed]

Rather than feeling gaged by the defense and their legal games to shut us up, lets post on each page using a chosen emoticon and a positive post ( so we all know that it's a post that is to be accepted and not argued or discussed)
welcome4:

I believe we can post many thoughts safely by being mindful how we word it and by using the word "alleged" when referring to the murderer, etc. IMO.

EDIT: ... "innocent until proven guilty".

 

[CaseClosed]

Respectfully, we can interpret this visual many different ways. What 'grieving' means to one person, may mean something different to another person. His facial expression may be in response to some thought he was having. There are no tears, but it is more of a grimace. We could only comprehend this grimace if we knew what he was thinking about at that time. It could mean anything. Seeing the context was that he was standing before his wife's funeral casket, maybe the murder scene was replaying in his mind. Possible. My opinion only, not fact.

From my observations of footage of the funeral, and subsequent set of photos, I believe he did show grieve/remorse during his approach to the hearse whilst clutching at the girls. In one shot he is holding a tissue (or similar) to his eye. Yes, he could be faking it all, but IMO he is not.

 

[SapphireSteel]

From my observations of footage of the funeral, and subsequent set of photos, I believe he did show grieve/remorse during his approach to the hearse whilst clutching at the girls. In one shot he is holding a tissue (or similar) to his eye. Yes, he could be faking it all, but IMO he is not.

Can you imagine the strain of being present at your (alleged) victim's funeral?

Maybe his actions hit home finally, when he saw his daughters faces.

Or maybe he was just overwrought because his plan was coming apart at the seams.

I have no doubt that GBC is a stupid, stupid man.

 

[J-Diggety]

mmm, distance between scene and perp in other case was quite a distance, and apparently he was seen playing weekend at bernies as well, IMO, must be something unique to this particular spot, but seems well down the track, IMO

:clap:

 

[SapphireSteel]

His family is wealthy? Which 'family' in particular? A previous poster (sorry no link!) has informed us that the BCs senior have now a $300,000 mortgage on their (relatively modest) Kenmore home....apparently a fairly 'recent' occurrence....and presumably taken out to bail GBC out of some of his financial 'difficulties'. All 'hearsay' of course, but it IS very curious, if this is true, how GBC is able to 'afford' his pricey legal team. Again I mention the exhorbitant legal fees of GBC's defence, when the poor SHEs are having to be beneficiaries of public generosity. That sucks!!! (big time). What are those girls going to make of this in the future? (Another nail in the coffin of their relationship with the father who changed their lives so cruelly and irrevocably...allegedly, of course!) However having seen that screen grab of GBC's face at the funeral when with his darling girls......it indeed appears an expression of 'grief' IMO...so thankfully he IS capable of some sort of feeling towards Allison's passing....even if it is only to acknowledge what misery he has caused his darling daughters (rather than remorse for what he has allegedly done to Allison).

HOW ON EARTH would anyone know this detail?

Further, Brisbane is quite a small town. Lawyers will be clamouring over this one, and quite likely are acting pro-bono for the publicity. The payoff will be when they get him released.

Alternatively...watch and wait for GBC to change legal representation mid-stream. IMO this is likely to happen when the details of the prosecution case are revealed and even blind freddy is forced to admit GBC's involvement. The high priced lawyers will drop him in a heartbeat.

 

[Thinking]

It is quite possible for further testing to involve things like leaf litter, blossom, seeds, twigs, and even soil, which can hide pollen. Perhaps they are looking for a connection between the area the body was found at and the motor vehicle which transported the perpetrator away from that scene. Also clothing worn by the perpetrator. (Even washed clothing can still give up microscopic pollen spores). Dr Lynne Milne of WA is an expert in this field. This technique was used for the first time in Australia by QPS in another murder case very successfully. Similar case - victim killed in house then transported to another area and left. Pollen on car, in car, perpetrator's clothes (washed), was what placed the perpetrator at both places. Convicted of murder and life imprisonment, but out in 12 years.

Thanks for this info KG1.

My concern about this type of evidence (pollen, soil etc) from Kholo Creek and similar evidence being found on the vehicle, would be that, when Allison died, from memory there were at least nine Anstead properties listed with Century 21 Westside. I worry that the defence will say that the cars were often out at that area anyway.

I guess it would be harder to explain the pollen etc if found on particular items of clothing (not work related clothing) or non-work shoes etc.

 

[CaseClosed]

Can you imagine the strain of being present at your (alleged) victim's funeral?

Maybe his actions hit home finally, when he saw his daughters faces.

Or maybe he was just overwrought because his plan was coming apart at the seams.

I have no doubt that GBC is a stupid, stupid man.

It is hard to imagine how everybody (incl. the Dickies) managed that sad day. Because I come from the idea that this murder was not pre-planned and just an escalation of events after a fight (and sheer panic afterwards) I do also believe that perhaps that moment was when he realised the enormity of what he had allegedly done. Contrary to most people's thinking on this forum, I don't necessarily think he is a mean/narcissitic/psychopath type of person. He maybe a control freak though (which would stem from being very insecure). All my humble opinion.

Someone posted last night about the Dickies situation at the funeral. It wouldn't surprise me if the Dickies did confront GBC privately after the body was found. I certainly would have, if I was in their terrible situation.

 

[marlywings]

Or identification of unbearded driver of vehicle at Kenmore roundabout? JMO

OR a bearded driver who is now clean shaven...lol.

There are just soooo many unaswered questions right from day 1.

Every report or piece of info released just leads to more & moreeeeee questions!!!!!!

 

[WhatTheHey]

Hi all - woke up worrying about the girls. I have been trawling through the last thread re bail/ access to the kids and I don't think we had a definitive hypothesis? (very well could be wrong...). I'll set out some scenarios - does anyone know if any of the last few are a remote possibility? Do we have precedents on access to children for (alleged) murderers, if they happen to get bail? (tummy turns). Please, please, let the girls be completely safe physically and mentally post-Thursday. ok - here goes:
a) ABC family get/keep full custody with no access to any adult BCs
b) ABC family get/ keep custody with some access to non-arrested BCs
c) ABC family get/ keep custody with some access by bailed BC
d) BC family get custody, with some access to ABC family
e) Bailed BC gets custody, with some access to ABC family
f) Bailed BC gets custody, with no access to ABC family

I guess there are other random options like Child Safety getting care for them from a 'neutral outsider', but I imagine one of the above will be the outcome on Thursday? Surely there are no instances of e) or f), especially where mental health appears to be in issue? Thoughts?

PS - have I told you lately that I luv u guys?? Love the ongoing vigil. Al deserves no less