ARRESTED- Luka Rocco Magnotta:1st deg murder charge #9

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OEJ said:
I used to think that people who did these things must have had a mind-warping childhood and felt very sorry for them. I thought they were anguished about it all but couldn't stop.

Then I found out that some of them didn't have a childhood like that at all. That they like it. They've liked it since childhood and feeling sorry for them was a good way for me to get exploited by them.

I think it's interesting to project my own experiences and life dynamics on to those who commit these types of crimes, but my own observations have taught me that we are not Luka. Luka is not us.
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I agree that it's not accurate or helpful to project, and I don't know if you were ever personally abused, of course. But having been initimately acquainted with both abuse and sociopathy (which I think is what you're describing) there are certain elements, thought patterns and outward manifestations of victims and perpetrators, including those that are both, that SEEM to be relatively consistently identifiable.

I'm always open to any outcome and backstory regarding any person. Indeed, that's what I am very interested in in this case. As I mentioned in an earlier post, I'm very interested to learn if there is NO particular environmental factor in this case. In the meantime, though, I'm just making observations based on my experiences and education. I'm not married to them, nor do I believe that they in any way excuse lm's actions. jmo
 
Chorley8 said:
From the article cited on WS recently in last few hours:

"After interviewing Magnotta we waited outside to see if we could quiz him again.

We were surprised when the police then turned up. We asked them if they were investigating the cat killings. But we were told to mind our own business.

Magnotta was escorted off the premises by two plain-clothed cops and the hotel manager.

He was put into the back of a mini-cab and was driven off. That was the last we saw of him.'

This sounds strange to me and I know London fairly well. He is staying at an absolute bottom end residence 40 pounds a night for London is rock bottom. Wembley is part of London. Not sure why the officers would not be in uniform for what must be routine, an eviction. It sounds to me like they have been tipped off to the reporter and are protecting Luka.

Not anyway sure why police would be involved in an eviction. Usually if a hotel wants to evict you they just lock up your room. And then put him in a mini cab? Who is paying? What about his belongings? To go where? Just at the moment the reporter is there and they are none too polite to him.

Totally typical of them not to investigate though London is swarming with crime but they like to keep their crime figures low.

Possibility of Luka being some kind of paid informant low level worker for one or more intelligence agencies.
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I read this quite some time ago, but upon reading it again, today, I wondered whether the police visit had something to do with prostitution and/or the media attention?
 
since prostitution is legal in Britain ,I doubt it.It probably had to with non-payment...
At the hotel I work if we evict someone and he/she refuses to leave,we call the police....
 
Streets said:
Wow.. that is interesting.. and new to me. Also, on a side note.. I've never seen the word "niggling" before. Sounds kind of racist but I'm sure it's not. In context: "But I did have a niggling fear at the back of my mind."
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If you google the definition and derivation of the word, you will see that it has absolutely no racial connotation whatsoever. Same for the word "niggardly," which was fairly recently the subject of one of the most mindless attacks of political correctness I've ever seen.
 
Karmady said:
I agree that it's not accurate or helpful to project, and I don't know if you were ever personally abused, of course. But having been initimately acquainted with both abuse and sociopathy (which I think is what you're describing) there are certain elements, thought patterns and outward manifestations of victims and perpetrators, including those that are both, that SEEM to be relatively consistently identifiable.

I'm always open to any outcome and backstory regarding any person. Indeed, that's what I am very interested in in this case. As I mentioned in an earlier post, I'm very interested to learn if there is NO particular environmental factor in this case. In the meantime, though, I'm just making observations based on my experiences and education. I'm not married to them, nor do I believe that they in any way excuse lm's actions. jmo
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I'm not criticizing, Karmady. Not at all. I'm sorry if it seemed like it. I was pretty screwed up from childhood abuse for a long while, so I know how rough it can be.

I was also married for 10 years to a twice-diagnosed sociopath and narcissist, so I know how that can be, too. Doesn't make me an expert, and I don't think anyone has them all figured out.
 
OEJ said:
It looks exactly like it.
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Thank you OEJ! I didn't watch any of those videos posted by Luka,this is why I asked. Is it possible that he filmed the video while on vacation and the snake belongs to someone that works at the Manati Park?
 
I think it's legal all over Europe,UK and Germany for sure...


Earlier a poster mentioned the movie "we need to talk about Kevin"
I really wanted to see that and forgot about it,I'm going to rent it tomorrow.
I have a hard time believing sociopath are born that way.
Yes,some people go through a horrible chidhood and thrive ,others do not.
I think it's all about the way one copes.Some are extremely affected by little things ,some can handle a lot.
I know a lot of sexual abuse victims completely dissasociate from their bodies,it does not belong to them anymore,it's not part of them.
I wonder if that's similar to sociopath.Do they dissaciate from their souls?
Do they hate society so much that they indeed become empty shells looking in from the outside?
I know it's believed that their is no treatment for Sociopaths but I don't want to believe that.There has to be some way to get through to them?
 
I really believe some people are born bad. I don't wanna go off topic with my brother but I'd love to hear if anyone has insight on how or what really makes a sick mind tick. (I suppose pm would be best to nothing of on thread.

Anyway, back to reading what all the great minds here are discussing :-)
 
OEJ said:
I'm not criticizing, Karmady. Not at all. I'm sorry if it seemed like it. I was pretty screwed up from childhood abuse for a long while, so I know how rough it can be.

I was also married for 10 years to a twice-diagnosed sociopath and narcissist, so I know how that can be, too. Doesn't make me an expert, and I don't think anyone has them all figured out.
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Thanks for that OEJ. I didn't take it as criticism. I just wanted to explain that I wasn't pontificating by any stretch. I don't pretend to know it all (although I'm sure some would disagree lol).

It sounds like our experiences are quite similar. Thanks for sharing :)
 
Really want to thank everyone (too many people to name) for the wonderful dialogue that's been shared the past few hours.

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Sinwonderland,if you don't mind me asking....do you know what type of pregnancy your mom had with your brother?
If it was difficult,I beleive that can affect the baby.
If he was unwanted,I believe the baby can feel that as well....
 
Hey everyone, thanks for replying my questions! I'm a newbie so bear with me if this was discussed before and please moderators feel free to delete or modify my post if it goes against any rule of this forum.
I found one cached thread at http://chanarchive.org/4chan/b/47050
and it seems that Luka posted there himself with the nickname "blUNJBxK" talking about the murder. He says it was a cat (not a dog) in the 1 lunatic 1 icepick video and wrote a lot of graphic details about how it happened, information that I don't remember being released by the press at that time. I don't think it's some random troll who wrote those things. If that was indeed Luka who posted, it explains why he did and how.
Any thoughts? sorry, if this was discussed before, thanks in advance!
 
sinwonderland said:
I really believe some people are born bad. I don't wanna go off topic with my brother but I'd love to hear if anyone has insight on how or what really makes a sick mind tick. (I suppose pm would be best to nothing of on thread.

Anyway, back to reading what all the great minds here are discussing :-)
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I have a friend whose brother is about the closest I've ever known to "born bad." However, he is adopted and I don't know his personal history prior to his adoption. Plus, I know that my friend, who also was adopted, had issues relating to his adoption and with his adoptive parents, as well. But then again, don't we all have issues with our parents, adoptive or not?!

Anyway, my friend's brother also has been in prison for much of his adult life, while my friend has probably never had anything worse than a speeding ticket. The last time they were together as adults at their parents' house, the brother stabbed my friend in the face with a fork. When they were younger, he cut the brakes on my friend's bike and challenged him to a race down a huge hill. My friend's jaw is messed up to this day from the aftermath of that.

I could go on, but the point is, I also think it's possible that genetics can, in at least some cases, play a huge role. If my friend's brother had not been adopted, I'd probably be more convinced that it could be 100% nature in some cases. jmo
 
Donyale said:
Thank you OEJ! I didn't watch any of those videos posted by Luka,this is why I asked. Is it possible that he filmed the video while on vacation and the snake belongs to someone that works at the Manati Park?
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You know what? I think you might be on to something there. I can't wait for Baudi Movin to get back here. She might know.
 
Karmady said:
Thanks for that OEJ. I didn't take it as criticism. I just wanted to explain that I wasn't pontificating by any stretch. I don't pretend to know it all (although I'm sure some would disagree lol).

It sounds like our experiences are quite similar. Thanks for sharing :)
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Aww shucks...thanks.

The Nature vs Nurture discussion has been going on for a long time. I tend to think it's a bit of both. Let's say you have a very controlling, flirtatious mom to a son. No actual sexual, verbal, or physical abuse. If the kid had a predisposition to sociopathy, and I do think that is possible, you could have a murderer on your hands in later life.
 
Donyale said:
Hey everyone, thanks for replying my questions! I'm a newbie so bear with me if this was discussed before and please moderators feel free to delete or modify my post if it goes against any rule of this forum.
I found one cached thread at http://chanarchive.org/4chan/b/47050
and it seems that Luka posted there himself with the nickname "blUNJBxK" talking about the murder. He says it was a cat (not a dog) in the 1 lunatic 1 icepick video and wrote a lot of graphic details about how it happened, information that I don't remember being released by the press at that time. I don't think it's some random troll who wrote those things. If that was indeed Luka who posted, it explains why he did and how.
Any thoughts? sorry, if this was discussed before, thanks in advance!
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That does seem like it could be him, however, it also sounds like it could have been a member of one of those animal rights groups that seemed to know him better than most. I will google that user id to see if anything else pops up.
 
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