AUS - Khandalyce Kiara Pearce, Wynarka, Bones of a Child Discovered, July'15 - #6

[Camp Chair]

Because Tania was only jealous of the five children Luke had with this other un-named person who ended up living with them....

the biological mother of the 5 kids was already a no hoper...who didn't give much of a s**** for her kids and allowed Tania to rule the roost within the house - subjecting just these five kids to neglect and psychological torture......

all the other kids were probably viewed as OK by Tania and allowed to live the backward existence that she (Tania) and the other Adults lived...

Were the other kids neglected...of course...but to the degree of these other 5.... probably not..

Soon after the children were removed from their home I was contacted by a colleague who was doing some advocacy work with Tania. At this point it wasn’t clear what had happened except that the conditions of the home were appalling and that a number of children were removed. In the first instance Tania and her children were removed and placed in a home especially designed to house so many children. At this point Families SA (FSA) clearly were not concerned about Tania and her ability to care for her own children. Nor were there any allegations made against Tania in regard to her treatment of the other four children. My understanding, from conversations with Tania, was that there were no care issues in regard to Tania’s treatment of her own children until the allegations were made against her by children who were not her responsibility. If she was as wicked a woman as the media had us believe, then why weren’t her children removed from her at the moment the house was raided by police and child protection officers?

...I had heard about the pattern of drinking and violence she had experienced from the day she was born until the very present. I wondered how a person lives through that level of violence and how one sustains a sense of self, unless of course you try to invent that over and over again in each child you have. There is no doubt that Tania attempted to give her children as much love as she could, and there is no doubt that she loved them. It is interesting that there have never been any allegations levelled at Tania about her children being abused. I can tell you that the feelings she held towards the younger children of the other family were different to those she felt for her own children. But where were the parents of those other children, particularly the mother? I know where the father was, he was abusing Tania. The space Tania found herself in was one of confusion and fear. She spent time at the hotel gambling and attempting to forget not only what was happening in the home but also the traumas of the past. It was a place that few of us would understand. There were six adults living there and Tania was being abused by most of them, particularly her partner at the time, the father of the children who were taken to hospital. She told me one story in particular of a situation where she was being violently abused by her partner in front of the younger children and how they were encouraged to be involved in the abuse. For Tania, too, it was a ‘House of Horror’.

T.Tonkin (Social Worker)

http://socialworkchallenges.blogspot.com.au/2011/09/house-of-horror-alternate-view.html

 

[sosocurious]

For what its worth.... I don't think our little angel is one of these putrid excuses for humans child.....If we are to believe that angel was beaten to death.... it doesn't fit with the house of horrors children's treatment.

The house of horrors children were subjected to a controlling manipulative environment - where pleasure appeared to be derived from control and deprivation....

Our Angel from Wynarka seems to be the victim of physical abuse leading to death....

two different things from my opinion..

I agree Puggle.
As LE said Angel was murdered.

 

[Puggle]

http://socialworkchallenges.blogspot.com.au/2011/09/house-of-horror-alternate-view.html

Camp Chair .... not sure what you are trying to convey through this quote..... Are you attempting to say Tania was the victim herself at the hands of Luke Armistead??? as conveyed by Tania herself to a social worker? ... and that in turn the victimization of the five children was really at his hands and not of Tania's...... wow....wonder how the courts got it so wrong!!.....

Truthfully I place a lot of faith in our police and justice system to work out who the true perpetrators of a crime are...... it in no way diminishes your keen eye for linking a particular set of circumstances and time frames worthy of consideration..... I am simply stating IMO that the particular circumstances (as we have been told - re Angel) don't fit with the house of horrors....treatment/outcome of the children involved....

Again only my opinion..

If I missed something in the quote you posted I apologise....and am receptive to what I may have missed.

Puggle

 

[Imagining]

For what its worth.... I don't think our little angel is one of these putrid excuses for humans parents of these children from the house of horrors case.....If we are to believe that angel was beaten to death.... it doesn't fit with the house of horrors children's treatment.

The house of horrors children were subjected to a controlling manipulative environment - where pleasure appeared to be derived from control and deprivation....

Our Angel from Wynarka seems to be the victim of physical abuse leading to death....

two different things from my opinion..

Yes, I am becoming to think that the HoH family and the child bones in the suitcase are unrelated. Although the HoH children were in an extreme neglect condition but the parent did eventually took that child who was in a life threatening condition to the hospital, which shows that at least the parent don’t want the children to die. Also, as Puggle said, it doesn’t seems there was any mention of the adults violently abusing the children which is not the same case for our Angel. But the older child in the HoH who caused the injury to the younger child led to hospital, could means there is a possibility an older child killed a baby sister?

Everything that we talk here about the HoH could have been solved if the police simply do a DNA test and let us know the outcome, then it would either be case solved or we can start focus on other lead.

 

[Puggle]

I originally thought that police had DNA for Angel and were just keeping us (public) in the dark.....sadly I feel getting a DNA profile from the bones has not been achieved...

 

[Puggle]

Yes, I am becoming to think that the HoH family and the child bones in the suitcase are unrelated. Although the HoH children were in an extreme neglect condition but the parent did eventually took that child who was in a life threatening condition to the hospital, which shows that at least the parent don’t want the children to die. Also, as Puggle said, it doesn’t seems there was any mention of the adults violently abusing the children which is not the same case for our Angel. But the older child in the HoH who caused the injury to the younger child led to hospital, could means there is a possibility an older child killed a baby sister?

Everything that we talk here about the HoH could have been solved if the police simply do a DNA test and let us know the outcome, then it would either be case solved or we can start focus on other lead.

I in no way want to burst anyone's bubble ........ but we are talking about....in the very least 16 children and 5 adults..... and not ONE has mentioned a possible murder or sibling that went missing... even with "Chinese Whispers".... surely someone/something would have arisen by now....

 

[sosocurious]

http://socialworkchallenges.blogspot.com.au/2011/09/house-of-horror-alternate-view.html

In Tania's words there were no issues.......
She lived in Geelong and Child Services were involved - abusive father/s of her 10 children.
Did she move to SA to avoid further investigation? just thinking out loud.
She attempted to give her children as much love as she could....
There were no issues until allegations had been made against her by children that were not her responsibility.
There were six adults and Tania was being abused by most of them, particularly her partner at the time = in Tania's words.
The younger children were encouraged to abuse her.
For Tania it was a house of horror.

So in hours, days or even weeks she decided to punish, torture and starve innocent children all younger than 7 years.

Those children being half siblings to two of her own children.
I do not think she is the victim.
imo

Tania Staker appears in court charged with taking part in jailhouse assault.
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/...ailhouse-assault/story-fni6uo1m-1226727467586

 

[Puggle]

Trying hard to remember here....... not sure what thread....but I really feel angels remains/clothing through forensics were linked specifically to the area ..... Lampshade!!!

calphtrate??? something to do with soil..... not sure exact name of soil substance...But it seems pretty obvious that the police are concentrating on a particular area for a specific reason... and it was pretty specific to certain to specific areas...

 

[crabstick]

There is civil liberties on children where as neglect on animals, the authorities can easily remove them from bad owners.
RSPCA is funded by corporations as much government where as child protection services just by govt.
They dont want, they took my baby stolen generation again 20 years down the track.

It's sounding like the RSPCA could be more proactive than the authorities who care for our children.
(Our grandoggie's oncologist said she's now in remission)

 

[Camp Chair]

I think I've been misunderstood here & in a huge way. I was using the quote to show her social worker claimed that Families SA didn't see the other children being a concern - that's outrageous. I can't use the words I would like to describe my opinion of Tania on here. To think you've interpreted what I've posted as some kind of sympathizer kinda makes me feel ill.

I believe there is more to this and until all that is out there can be shared here in accordance with tos, I don't mind if you disagree with my train of thought. I respect your views, sorry you've misinterpreted mine. All the best

Camp Chair .... not sure what you are trying to convey through this quote..... Are you attempting to say Tania was the victim herself at the hands of Luke Armistead??? as conveyed by Tania herself to a social worker? ... and that in turn the victimization of the five children was really at his hands and not of Tania's...... wow....wonder how the courts got it so wrong!!.....

Truthfully I place a lot of faith in our police and justice system to work out who the true perpetrators of a crime are...... it in no way diminishes your keen eye for linking a particular set of circumstances and time frames worthy of consideration..... I am simply stating IMO that the particular circumstances (as we have been told - re Angel) don't fit with the house of horrors....treatment/outcome of the children involved....

Again only my opinion..

If I missed something in the quote you posted I apologise....and am receptive to what I may have missed.

Puggle

 

[CSIDreamer]

I think I've been misunderstood here & in a huge way. I was using the quote to show her social worker claimed that Families SA didn't see the other children being a concern - that's outrageous. I can't use the words I would like to describe my opinion of Tania on here. To think you've interpreted what I've posted as some kind of sympathizer kinda makes me feel ill.

I believe there is more to this and until all that is out there can be shared here in accordance with tos, I don't mind if you disagree with my train of thought. I respect your views, sorry you've misinterpreted mine. All the best

I think we all get a little keyed up where children are concerned and sometimes misunderstand each other in the heat of the moment.

I'm wondering at what point all these families came together. If it's possible our little angel was among one of those groups prior to them gelling in the worst possible way.

 

[sosocurious]

I think I've been misunderstood here & in a huge way. I was using the quote to show her social worker claimed that Families SA didn't see the other children being a concern - that's outrageous. I can't use the words I would like to describe my opinion of Tania on here. To think you've interpreted what I've posted as some kind of sympathizer kinda makes me feel ill.

I believe there is more to this and until all that is out there can be shared here in accordance with tos, I don't mind if you disagree with my train of thought. I respect your views, sorry you've misinterpreted mine. All the best

Camp Chair I think I may have misunderstood you ...sorry.
Now I do agree with you.
I just jumped onto -
Soon after the children were removed I was contacted by a colleague who was doing some advocacy work for Tania.
My first thought was solicitor and at the end of his story -
I was never told anything about the allegations which were bought before the courts because her lawyer thought this would be unhelpful.

http://socialworkchallenges.blogspot.com.au/2011/09/house-of-horror-alternate-view.html

 

[jessie]

I think I've been misunderstood here & in a huge way. I was using the quote to show her social worker claimed that Families SA didn't see the other children being a concern - that's outrageous. I can't use the words I would like to describe my opinion of Tania on here. To think you've interpreted what I've posted as some kind of sympathizer kinda makes me feel ill.

I believe there is more to this and until all that is out there can be shared here in accordance with tos, I don't mind if you disagree with my train of thought. I respect your views, sorry you've misinterpreted mine. All the best

Camp Chair - I am grateful for the text you quoted. I was shocked but it gives another view of how authorities are dealing with it. I didn't take it that this was your view, just giving us information of what has 'officially' been reported.

It is necessary and important that we are all aware of the various goings on in the case you quoted as well as others.
It doesn't make comfortable reading - personally I'm finding it impossible to understand how this happens.

Just a thank you, I'm sure noone on this forum felt you were sympathizing - you were just giving info.
I think our anger at such things sometimes needs an outlet, but isn't directed at you.
best wishes. x

 

[jessie]

I would like to add to my previous post.
I am absolutely disgusted by the report from the Social Worker that Camp Chair copied.
Is this the person that was friendly with the HoH group??
I know I'm half a world away, but it makes no difference to how I feel about these atrocious things.

Probably off topic, but reading this report makes me sick.
From the info I have gathered from other posters about this case a report such as this virtually excuses such behaviour from adults.
Adults are the people who should care for their children, and the children of others.

I just don't know how to stop such things happening.

In my world, someone who accepts such abusive behaviour has no excuse - ever.

 

[jigzy]

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/...-met-violent-end/story-fni6uo1m-1227446040185


"....died a violent death under terrible circumstances"

Does anyone else think this statement is revealing?

If a child was battered to death it was indeed violent and terrible, but to say that the circumstances were terrible must surely mean that there was something about the remains that indicated something of the circumstances at the time of death.

Sorry to be graphic, but I'm thinking not along the lines of dismemberment or anything that might have happened after the violent death, but that the child might have been bound (mouth, ankles, wrists) at the time of death and this was evident in the remains. A child who was being restrained in such a way would be extra, extra vulnerable and unable to even attempt any kind of defence/avoidance of blows - this, IMO, would fit with "a violent death under terrible circumstances."

Another scenario I've considered is that there were historic fractured bones that were healing badly without having been properly set by health professionals. That also would fit with the LE statement, IMO, as the child would have been in a poor state of health and probably living in a lot of pain already.

There's just something about that quote that bugs me. So much we don't know...yet.

All jmo.

 

[jessie]

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/...-met-violent-end/story-fni6uo1m-1227446040185


"....died a violent death under terrible circumstances"

Does anyone else think this statement is revealing?

If a child was battered to death it was indeed violent and terrible, but to say that the circumstances were terrible must surely mean that there was something about the remains that indicated something of the circumstances at the time of death.

Sorry to be graphic, but I'm thinking not along the lines of dismemberment or anything that might have happened after the violent death, but that the child might have been bound (mouth, ankles, wrists) at the time of death and this was evident in the remains. A child who was being restrained in such a way would be extra, extra vulnerable and unable to even attempt any kind of defence/avoidance of blows - this, IMO, would fit with "a violent death under terrible circumstances."

Another scenario I've considered is that there were historic fractured bones that were healing badly without having been properly set by health professionals. That also would fit with the LE statement, IMO, as the child would have been in a poor state of health and probably living in a lot of pain already.

There's just something about that quote that bugs me. So much we don't know...yet.

All jmo.

I have thought everything you have said jigzy. That statement was very revealing imo.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

"Angle" in Wynarka: violent death under terrible circumstances

IMO this is including something like a House Of Horrors, which house ever, Tania & family or not Tania & family, mainly HORROR. That can be a property full of garbage, a house full of garbage and feces or one room full of feces without furniture and the remaining rooms somehow liveable. A family with many children or a family with less children.
All is possible, nothing is impossible, I fear.

 

[Puggle]

Yeah sorry Campchair I did misunderstand, well truthfully as I posted I wasn't sure what you were trying to convey with your Quoted article - as you quoted my response to another poster who had asked the question why were only those five children targeted...

Sometimes if a link.... something such as a quote or article is posted alone on itself - it's kinda open for interpretation as to what/why we posted it ...... it's happened to me many a time...

ETA: I think your train of thought is brilliant ..... so no we are not that far apart in opinions at all.

 

[crabstick]

Angel has been given to a DNA specialist

I originally thought that police had DNA for Angel and were just keeping us (public) in the dark.....sadly I feel getting a DNA profile from the bones has not been achieved...

 

[JaneSA]

I originally thought that police had DNA for Angel and were just keeping us (public) in the dark.....sadly I feel getting a DNA profile from the bones has not been achieved...

Jeremy Austin from the Centre for Ancient DNA said as much, didn't he?
They only have partial DNA and he said :
“You also have to be lucky,” Professor Austin says. Even with a complete DNA profile, you still have to find a match.

(ref: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...503314684?sv=4e6b36b918befbd4e548cd904e4e4ce4)