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Food Standards Australia recalls Enoki Mushrooms packaged by Concordia Traders (Aust) Pty Ltd​

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Australia issued a recall of Enoki Mushrooms packaged by Concordia Traders (Aust) Pty Ltd which have an incorrect use by date, which means there's an increased risk of a bacteria that causes listeria forming.
The impacted packets, which originate from China, were sold at Asian grocery stores in Victoria and have a use by date of 20/07/2023.
Product information
Concordia Traders (Aust) Pty Ltd is conducting a recall of Enoki Mushrooms. The product has been available for sale at Asian Grocery Stores in VIC.
Date markings
Use By/Best Before 20/07/2023
Listeria monocytogenes may cause severe illness in pregnant women, unborn babies, neonates, the elderly, and individuals who are immunocompromised. Other people can also become ill from eating contaminated food.
"Any consumers concerned about their health should seek medical advice and should return the product to the place of purchase for a full refund," Food Standards said.

For more information:
Concordia Traders (Aust) Pty Ltd
selina@concordia.com.au

Dated June 29th
 
Poisonous mushroom risk
In April this year, the Victorian Department of Health warned that eating just one death cap mushroom may kill an adult. Poisonous mushrooms, including death caps, occur in Victoria during autumn, as the weather becomes wetter and cooler.

Cooking, peeling or drying these mushrooms does not remove the poison. There is no home test available to distinguish safe and edible mushrooms from poisonous types.

Symptoms of poisoning can include violent stomach pains, nausea, vomiting and diarrhea and usually occur six to 24 hours after eating the mushrooms. Even if initial symptoms subside serious liver damage may have occurred.

People should urgently attend an emergency department if they believe they’ve eaten a poisonous mushroom and take any remaining mushrooms with them for identification.

The Food Safety Information Council regularly warns people to be extremely careful around wild mushrooms because of the poisoning risk.

In April 2022, a young child was hospitalized in the Australian Capital Territory (ACT) after consuming a death cap mushroom. In 2012, two people died after eating these mushrooms at a New Year’s Eve party in Canberra and in 2014 four people in the ACT were seriously poisoned.

“Death cap mushrooms can appear at any time of year but are more common a week or two after good rains. They have been found in the Canberra region, in and around Melbourne, in Tasmania and in Adelaide. They are not native to Australia and are often found near oak trees growing in warm wet weather,” said Cathy Moir.

“Death cap mushrooms are difficult to distinguish from some other wild mushrooms so we recommend you play it safe and only eat mushrooms that you have purchased from a supermarket, greengrocer or other reputable source.”
www.foodsafetynews.com

Police probe three deaths linked to mushroom poisoning

Police are investigating after three people died from suspected mushroom poisoning in Australia. Four people were taken to the hospital on July 30 after
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kittythehare said:

Food Standards Australia recalls Enoki Mushrooms packaged by Concordia Traders (Aust) Pty Ltd​

Food Standards
Ani.jpg
Australia issued a recall of Enoki Mushrooms packaged by Concordia Traders (Aust) Pty Ltd which have an incorrect use by date, which means there's an increased risk of a bacteria that causes listeria forming.
The impacted packets, which originate from China, were sold at Asian grocery stores in Victoria and have a use by date of 20/07/2023.
Product information
Concordia Traders (Aust) Pty Ltd is conducting a recall of Enoki Mushrooms. The product has been available for sale at Asian Grocery Stores in VIC.
Date markings
Use By/Best Before 20/07/2023
Listeria monocytogenes may cause severe illness in pregnant women, unborn babies, neonates, the elderly, and individuals who are immunocompromised. Other people can also become ill from eating contaminated food.
"Any consumers concerned about their health should seek medical advice and should return the product to the place of purchase for a full refund," Food Standards said.

For more information:
Concordia Traders (Aust) Pty Ltd
selina@concordia.com.au

Dated June 29th
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This is a serious issue, and of course it can occur, but from what I know not as lethal or fatal as the death cap mushroom issue.

I still think her actions and statements indicate guilt.
 
kittythehare said:
Has the toxicology returned on the victims or was any intermediate testing carried out prior to samples being submitted for full tox screening?
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Think that's unknown, but no announcements re toxicology via police as of yet. Though police have stated they will update when info becomes available. Don't know much about tox tests but have seen posts saying toxicology refining/eliminating to reach a probable or definate conclusion can take some time (don't know but that could mean possibly weeks? Melbourne Hospital admission was probably around Tuesday Aug 1 Imo. Deaths tragically occurred Aug 4th and 5th. So it's been about 10 days since the deaths). Moo
 
SMK777 said:
This is a serious issue, and of course it can occur, but from what I know not as lethal or fatal as the death cap mushroom issue.

I still think her actions and statements indicate guilt.
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And notice the action taken by the government over mushrooms with a mislabeled use date and possible risk of listeria.

Yet no warning has been issued about death cap mushrooms that killed three family members and injured at least one more being sold by an Asian market. Not a peep. MOO
 
kittythehare said:
Food Standards
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Australia issued a recall of Enoki Mushrooms packaged by Concordia Traders (Aust) Pty Ltd which have an incorrect use by date, which means there's an increased risk of a bacteria that causes listeria forming.
The impacted packets, which originate from China, were sold at Asian grocery stores in Victoria and have a use by date of 20/07/2023.
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Well there you go.
 
jepop said:
Think that's unknown, but no announcements re toxicology via police as of yet. Though police have stated they will update when info becomes available. Don't know much about tox tests but have seen posts saying toxicology refining/eliminating to reach a probable or definate conclusion can take some time (don't know but that could mean possibly weeks? Melbourne Hospital admission was probably around Tuesday Aug 1 Imo. Deaths tragically occurred Aug 4th and 5th. So it's been about 10 days since the deaths). Moo
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It's usually about 6 weeks but I'm not sure about shrooms..

anybody know which brand she purchased?
What is striking about them is their resemblance to edible mushrooms.. they don't resemble button mushrooms but they do resemble many brands of supermarket mushrooms.
 
TootsieFootsie said:
Well there you go.
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Listeria in produce is bad, but nowhere near as deadly as the fatal death cap mushroom syndrome. Listeria can be treated with antibiotics and is not fatal to normally healthy adults.

And there have been NO reported cases from the shop she supposedly bought the fatal mushrooms from. No public health alert.

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The results might take longer if they have to reach out to overseas for what they need for the test.

I read that first they'll see if they can get what they want from other states, and if not, it will be overseas.
 
www.abc.net.au

What happens when you eat a death cap mushroom?

The deaths of three Victorians after a Saturday lunch in the small town of Leongatha sent shock waves through the community, but also shone the spotlight on one of the most poisonous organisms on earth.
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au

Dr Robertson says the actual testing for toxins could take a number of weeks depending on how equipped the laboratory is.

"They may have to purchase some additional standards or compounds that are known toxins so that then the laboratory can compare what they find in the urine, to what is known to be the toxin … and that process might take a couple of weeks," he says.

He says the relative rarity of mushroom toxins means a standard might have to be procured from interstate or overseas, potentially delaying the process.
 
TootsieFootsie said:
The results might take longer if they have to reach out to overseas for what they need for the test.

I read that first they'll see if they can get what they want from other states, and if not, it will be overseas.
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Looks like a way to determine mushroom poisoning would be for mycologists to look at the mushroom that was ingested. There are mycologists in Melbourne. But, not sure the hostess provided a sample of the mushrooms. Wonder if they could get sample from the stomach, if the patients arrived at the hospital before full digestion?

Mushroom poisoning is not so rare that the medical and mycological professionals are baffled by it. They know what to do, imo.

Mushroom Toxicity Workup: Approach Considerations, Laboratory Studies, Imaging Studies

Mushroom poisoning (mushroom toxicity) occurs after the ingestion of mushrooms that contain toxins, often in the context of foraging for nontoxic, similarly appearing mushrooms. Mushrooms are the fruiting bodies of a group of higher fungi that have evolved contemporaneously with plants for...
emedicine.medscape.com


jmo
 
HongKongPhooey said:
Listeria, in fresh produce.

I’m honestly not seeing a link.
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We're going through product recalls containing mushrooms..
This is just 1.

Working blind with a definite confirmation that is was actually the death caps that were used in ingredients , ingested and proved toxic.

How did a diagnostician arrive at the conclusion the deaths were caused by death caps ?

Are we 100% sure?

www.theguardian.com

Death cap mushrooms: why are they so toxic and how can poisoning be treated?

Eating even a very small amount of the mushrooms at the centre of the suspected poisoning in Victoria can be fatal, and treatment is often only effective if administered very quickly
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

poisoncontrol.utah.edu

Mushroom Ingestion- Diagnosis and Mangement

poisoncontrol.utah.edu poisoncontrol.utah.edu
 
Division of Property?
@Charlot123 said, in part:
"... It was her money, being inherited. However, we don't know what the divorce terms are, given that she is the rich one. Perhaps she had to pay her ex something, and didn't want to?..."
Mrs G Norris said:
If inherited while married it’s still communal property ...
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From these sources, not clear to me how property was or would have been divided.

Australia's Family Law Act
"Part VIII—Property, spousal maintenance and maintenance agreements 306" *

From website of a Victoria law firm:*
"In most cases, Australian courts will consider the totality of the property available for division between the parties. How and when the property was acquired and each party's contributions to property may ultimately have a substantial impact on what each party keeps as their final property settlement outcome.
"Can I protect particular assets from a property settlement claim in the event of a separation?
"As demonstrated above, property is defined broadly for the purposes of Australian family law proceedings.
The only way parties can quarantine or protect particular assets or financial interests from a property settlement claim is to address the division of assets (and exclude the jurisdiction of court) by entering into a financial agreement at the commencement of, during or after a relationship/marriage, pursuant to the Family Law Act 1975 (Cth)."

"Ultimately, unless a financial agreement has been properly prepared and entered into, a former partner may be entitled to property that one party intended to quarantine from a property settlement upon separation – notwithstanding any private understandings or any other agreements that the parties may have had during their relationship."
* What is "property" in Australian family law? | Lander & Rogers
 
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