Australia - Allison Baden-Clay, 43, Brisbane QLD, 19 April 2012 - #12

[spratsmum]

It was Courier Mail who began the trust fund for the girls.....job well done!!![/QUOTE

No I don't think the courier Mail did - I read just recently and will try and find it, that "Allison's parents' have set up a trust fund and the details.

 

[Reginald2]

Who cares?? A lot of people would like to send their kids to expensive private schools who can't afford it so why should the public help fund their snobbishness if that's truly is what the money is for?

Thats not what I meant. Was the family under pressure (GBC in particular).
If they were under financial strain this would be the first thing to go. I don't think this would sit well with his profile, thats all I mean.

 

[marlywings]

I know everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I fail to see what good it does poking about in the Dickie's lives, looking for something sinister, or 'not all that it seems'. I love sleuthing, as most do on here, but I just don't see how taking this thread in the direction of looking for dirt when there's clearly no evidence, media reports, gossip, etc to support this. At no point have the Dickie's claimed to be perfect, nor have the media claimed this. They are not persons of interest. I just get a really uneasy feeling reading these sort of comments. It seems like its getting to the point where some are just grasping at straws because there's no new information in the media.

Don't shout me down for this - just my opinion.

I'm with you Strangeworld...no doubt they'll try to shout us down, or shut us down. The BC "family" would be absolutely hating this forum.

 

[Schmickthespy]

I've been bridesmaid twice and I have always felt the emphasis on the word "maid" and not in the virginal sense

I never asked one single thing of my bridesmaids. Not one thing and nor did they do much anyway, except moan, complain and ask for stuff. Thank goodness I was young then and now surround myself with REAL friends.

 

[xfiles]

Are there any rumours or acquaintances on here that can confirm that GBC was an alcoholic ???

 

[Karo]

I'm in two minds over the trust fund that has been set up. I heard earlier on this site that the children may be entitled to State/Government money as their Mother was murdered and I think the amounts being mentioned would cover the costs of any educational costs with some left. I'm sure that many parents would love to have a Trust Fund they could access to send their children to a private school. It would be sad for the children to have to relocate to a different school and psychologically IMO it would be best to keep them where they are as they have gone through enough and possibly will have to go through more. However I don't see why the school cannot offer free schooling for a year or so till things settle and more permanent arrangements are made. Might be time for the school to step up to the plate.

Just covering a few things here. The trust fund is about High School. It is my understanding that the current school is up to year 7 only and it is also my understanding that the fund was not the Dickie's idea. No one is forcing anyone to contribute.

 

[Greg]

It has taken me a good week to read all through these threads and THE FOLLOWING IS ONLY MY OPINION....

Marriage was rocky, poor ABC had last year found out about GBC other woman/women and tried to work through it with GBC for the sake of the family and the girls. It was not just the affair/s that caused problems but the fact that he LIED and continued to LIE. Money was an issue and that in itself caused problems and arguments. They had probably discussed divorce but it would take a lot to separate property, businesses, children and GBC could not face the shame of failing his marriage (esp. to Dad) and looking like at failure at his workplace where he had to look like the next BWANA. He enjoyed have a wife at home looking after the children and the housework, while he flaunted around with TM at dinners and get-togethers and pretended all was good. He was having his cake and eating it too, and this was WORKING FOR HIM.

GBC obviously lied and continued cheating on his wife BECAUSE HE THOUGHT HE COULD GET AWAY WITH IT. His father (who advertised himself as Marriage Enhancement Counsellor) made him feel like he was never good enough. NBC was the grandson of the famous founder of the Scout movement and GBC had big shoes to fill. Dad already had to step in and put the house up to save the failing business and had told him to stay married.

Wednesday night GBC is out trying to use his card to buy something and it is denied or is out spending money with his 'secret' affair. Allison is having her hair done as she has something on the next day and would like to look presentable. GBC comes home and has a go at Allison about the money she spent (a good cut and colour can easily cost a few hundred) and she argues back about his current affair and a fight breaks out. There is some violence and there is screaming as Allison is being held down and strangled. Being a ballet teacher, she is physically strong and fights back with all her might, kicking and scratching, but finally he muffles her and strangles her.

He sits with her body for a while and panics, contacts NBC who comes with his wife EBC and sister. Sister gets the kids out of bed and takes them back the inlaws. EBC gets the cleaning products out and NBC and GBC organise to get rid of the body.

NBC panics and doesn't want to be in the car with the dead body or associated too much and follows GBC in his own car. The body is dumped. The phone is thrown into the bushes. They are hoping it looks like someone else attacked her and make up a story to tell police.

GBC nervously calls police in the morning, they arrive and smell a rat immediately, when they are taking the details they notice the girls mention going for a sleepover to grandparents in the middle of the night and that GBC cannot get his story straight but can state clearly what ABC was wearing. They note there is a history of DV in the family and take immediate investigative action. They discover the affair with the woman with loose morals that had no respect for ABC and the girls.

IN MY OPINION the minute 'I' saw the first interview of GBC with his sister, I also felt he was lying. It was a very, very strong sick gut feeling.... His interview was whiney like when you call in sick to work and you're not sick. I don't for one minute believe ABC went 'walking' in the cool moist night or morning air with a brand new hair do.

If my partner went missing I would be BEGGING the media to help me FIND my partner. I would be trying to do everything in my power to help. I would be pleading with the public for information. Not hiding.

I think the police have made it very clear that the suburb is in no danger from a crazy killer running around. It was someone that ABC knew. The police would have spoken to ABC's family and advised them to keep their cool and wait for the QPS to do their job putting every bit of evidence together, as GBC's defence in court will be searching for any possible loop hole to get him off.

The big losers? Three little girls that have had their mum taken from them and then finding out that their dad was her killer. I hope that the BC family also pay for their assistance to cover this all up.
I hope that the courts allow the family of ABC to bring up the little girls and that GBC is locked up.

THIS IS ALL JUST MY OPINION AND MY FEELINGS.

Nice work Appleblossoms, I reckon your about 90% there, not sure aout the sister thats why Ive been keen on tracking her movements prior and during the disappearance, surely there are flight records if she flew down....anyone on here work for qantas/jetstar/virgin.....or flight centre????

Also I think there may be premeditation of some form an inkling in the back of his mind that if something happens to "the *****" he'll be out of the woods financially so he takes insurance out on her...which also gets the boogy man and the haggis out of the woods as well (if indeed the mortgages are related to the business).

and yes possibly an argument ensues over a number of reasons which we know about and he decides in that split second to "go for gold".....possibly he has shared in the past with the boogy man a dark secret that has been creeping into his thoughts...and with a brief call late at night he says through tears...."ive done it"...the boogy man steps into action and comes over immediately and says 'it'll be ok son, hold steadfast and we'll come through this'

no less plausible in my opinion than a clean cut triad biker child pornographer homosexual lover with a tat, that runs her over in a random DUI hit and run while stalking her and forgets to turn off the phone.....

 

[Schmickthespy]

Thats not what I meant. Was the family under pressure (GBC in particular).
If they were under financial strain this would be the first thing to go. I don't think this would sit well with his profile, thats all I mean.

No I totally saw your point Reginald.

 

[spratsmum]

I know everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I fail to see what good it does poking about in the Dickie's lives, looking for something sinister, or 'not all that it seems'. I love sleuthing, as most do on here, but I just don't see how taking this thread in the direction of looking for dirt when there's clearly no evidence, media reports, gossip, etc to support this. At no point have the Dickie's claimed to be perfect, nor have the media claimed this. They are not persons of interest. I just get a really uneasy feeling reading these sort of comments. It seems like its getting to the point where some are just grasping at straws because there's no new information in the media.

Don't shout me down for this - just my opinion.

Strangeworld a lot of people on here claim they are too wonderful for words and not all of us agree with it - we are just making our point.

 

[willough]

Just one point to those who say, it's not the media that aligns us in this story.....CRAP!!!

We have had the media follow the Baden Clays every move, put on TV, everything negative they can, to paint a picture of the Baden Clays. Are there deer heads at the Dickies home?...........WE DONT KNOW!!! The media hasnt hounded their home. Were the media in the faces of Venessa and Ashley?.........NOT THAT I RECALL!!!................The media has painted a picture. One can deny it...

As for tributes.........When one dies, seldom does one give a bad tribute....Flight Centre boss is hardly going to say "Oh she was a moo, self righeous and loved her booze, so Gerard banned it from the wedding".

strangeworld.....The Baden Clays arent suspects (extended family), though it has been fine to critique them, Why should it be different for anyone else?

 

[marlywings]

It was Courier Mail who began the trust fund for the girls.....job well done!!![/QUOTE

No I don't think the courier Mail did - I read just recently and will try and find it, that "Allison's parents' have set up a trust fund and the details.

Courier Mail began it...after Allison Sandy's interview with the Dickies.

If you were them, would you say no to a trust fund??

 

[Schmickthespy]

Post removed as it was obviously taken out of context.

 

[Strangeworld]

Strangeworld a lot of people on here claim they are too wonderful for words and not all of us agree with it - we are just making our point.

I understand what you mean. I just think there is an impact a few words typed now can have on people who don't deserve it. That's all.

 

[True]

Can I ask everyone a favor?
If you state something as fact, please back it up with a link so people who have already provided links dont have to go off finding the link for the second or third time?

Someone on here last night stated adamantly that ABC was not attending a pathways conference and it took 2 of us a good bit of our time to look for the link and paste it back up.

 

[Schmickthespy]

Greg, were you at the funeral and do you know the Dickies or BC's personally?

 

[xfiles]

Is it fair that just because the death was sensationalised by the media that they deserve a trust fund more than other children whose parents die from cancer, car accidents etc? It still seemed in poor taste to me. Some people could feel they were taking advantage of the public because of the media coverage.

Thank you .... some one that gets it :woohoo:

 

[Reginald2]

Courier Mail began it...after Allison Sandy's interview with the Dickies.

If you were them, would you say no to a trust fund??

It doesn't worry me as I think those three little gilrs deserve the world, of course having their mum back would be better.
What I think is bugging some people is that it was mentioned that the trust fund was partly for their private education. Personally I feel that if those around them that love them feel that this is best for them well so be it. It is not up to anyone else to decide this.

 

[wakeskate]

If NBC is involved, I wonder why he has chosen to speak with police (supposedly), when GBC hasn't? I don't understand the logic of this.

Ummm, GBC has spoken to police several time AFAIK.
In fact he had the accident when he was on the way to an interview with them.

GBC hasn't made an official statement to police.
Maybe I have it wrong?

 

[willough]

I'm with you Strangeworld...no doubt they'll try to shout us down, or shut us down. The BC "family" would be absolutely hating this forum.

It moreso seems the contrary...When one speaks of any other option other than the Baden-Clay's, it is those people who get "shout" down, "shut" down or even SHOT down.....Just because they want to bring a different perspective into the mix.

 

[Greg]

I think so too.

Just to add.....Whoever had this phone, maybe couldnt unlock it to delete messages....They have hid it well and good......Because somewhere, is a person who has deleted messages, and it appears different to what Allison (her actual self) sent. ie "I know about what was going on, I am coming to see you". Deleted from the receivers phone.................But, not deleted from Allison's.

I dont believe that you need the phone to access sms, the carriers will have log files..