Australia - Allison Baden-Clay, 43, Brisbane QLD, 19 April 2012 - #12

[Strangeworld]

Just one point to those who say, it's not the media that aligns us in this story.....CRAP!!!

We have had the media follow the Baden Clays every move, put on TV, everything negative they can, to paint a picture of the Baden Clays. Are there deer heads at the Dickies home?...........WE DONT KNOW!!! The media hasnt hounded their home. Were the media in the faces of Venessa and Ashley?.........NOT THAT I RECALL!!!................The media has painted a picture. One can deny it...

As for tributes.........When one dies, seldom does one give a bad tribute....Flight Centre boss is hardly going to say "Oh she was a moo, self righeous and loved her booze, so Gerard banned it from the wedding".

strangeworld.....The Baden Clays arent suspects (extended family), though it has been fine to critique them, Why should it be different for anyone else?

I agree with part of what you are saying. People taken before their time are often seen in a better light after their passing.
I never said the Baden Clays are suspects? But one member of the family has been named as a person of interest. This has justified some (but probably not all) the sleuthing done on his heritage and family background. There's just been a real swing today in the posts towards finger-pointing at the Dickies. Just don't get the point of posts against them.

 

[loveandlite2012]

This site is getting so pathetic, instead of waiting for new info to come to light, lets just start dragging every person who has anything to do with Allison through the mud. Seems the only ones safe of critism is the daughters, but then I do remember someone saying maybe one of them killed their mother by accident. Get a life!!! I'm done here, as I will not listen to Allison or her family be talked about in such a way, when none of you who are saying it have ANY reason to say it, your just bored and going insane with your theories. Pathetic!!

 

[Nads]

I hope the BC girls will be able to go to IGGS as boarders, with money from the trust fund. The Dickies will be getting a lot older by then, and boarding school will be a nice protective environment.

 

[Strangeworld]

Ummm, GBC has spoken to police several time AFAIK.
In fact he had the accident when he was on the way to an interview with them.

GBC hasn't made an official statement to police.
Maybe I have it wrong?

I meant no official statement. As far as the gossip grapevine goes, NBC has been interviewed by police. That's an official interview as far as I'm concerned. I don't believe GBC has been interviewed officially. I have only heard this on this forum though, so don't know if this is true.

 

[mountainhigh]

I always thought that about the wedding photo too, the woman in the background just has this look of envy on her face!!! It reminded me of my ***** of a bridesmaid on my wedding day.

ha ha...poor you. that s why eloping is always best.
the woman in that picture is ABC's best friend, and envy on her face isn't doesn't spring too mind! But "'Allison, what the **** have you gone and done here sweetie"!!!!!!
this guy stinks.....
:what:

 

[xfiles]

I hope the BC girls will be able to go to IGGS as boarders, with money from the trust fund. The Dickies will be getting a lot older by then, and boarding school will be a nice protective environment.

Are you kidding ??? Mother has been murdered, Fether may end up in jail and you want to hole them up in a boarding school. That will be really good for their mental health. :banghead:

 

[Karo]

Is it fair that just because the death was sensationalised by the media that they deserve a trust fund more than other children whose parents die from cancer, car accidents etc? It still seemed in poor taste to me. Some people could feel they were taking advantage of the public because of the media coverage.

Sensationalised by the media? I thing a murder is sensational.
Anyone who has children connected to a death in a family is quite free to ask for donations to whatever they choose, be it in lieu of flowers or just as a donation.
I wouldn't do it myself, I have issues with Insurance money and estate bequeathed to me. I can't even contemplate spending it on myself.

 

[minni]

I am still back on page 5 and reading and catching up quickly, but I got to thinking after reading a post (willough, maybe) and if its been said and done, sorry, but these statements seem wrong to me
``She said things were good. She was happy,'' Mrs Walker said.

``It (her death) was a complete shock to all of us.''


is this an odd thing to say ' her death was a shock to all of us"????

when you consider she also said ' she told me things, I should have done more'?

 

[UnfoldingTruth]

Ummm, GBC has spoken to police several time AFAIK.
In fact he had the accident when he was on the way to an interview with them.

GBC hasn't made an official statement to police.
Maybe I have it wrong?

Yes he has. And correct as far as has been reported he has not given official statement yet..

 

[louisepiglet]

It has taken me a good week to read all through these threads and THE FOLLOWING IS ONLY MY OPINION....

Marriage was rocky, poor ABC had last year found out about GBC other woman/women and tried to work through it with GBC for the sake of the family and the girls. It was not just the affair/s that caused problems but the fact that he LIED and continued to LIE. Money was an issue and that in itself caused problems and arguments. They had probably discussed divorce but it would take a lot to separate property, businesses, children and GBC could not face the shame of failing his marriage (esp. to Dad) and looking like at failure at his workplace where he had to look like the next BWANA. He enjoyed have a wife at home looking after the children and the housework, while he flaunted around with TM at dinners and get-togethers and pretended all was good. He was having his cake and eating it too, and this was WORKING FOR HIM.

GBC obviously lied and continued cheating on his wife BECAUSE HE THOUGHT HE COULD GET AWAY WITH IT. His father (who advertised himself as Marriage Enhancement Counsellor) made him feel like he was never good enough. NBC was the grandson of the famous founder of the Scout movement and GBC had big shoes to fill. Dad already had to step in and put the house up to save the failing business and had told him to stay married.

Wednesday night GBC is out trying to use his card to buy something and it is denied or is out spending money with his 'secret' affair. Allison is having her hair done as she has something on the next day and would like to look presentable. GBC comes home and has a go at Allison about the money she spent (a good cut and colour can easily cost a few hundred) and she argues back about his current affair and a fight breaks out. There is some violence and there is screaming as Allison is being held down and strangled. Being a ballet teacher, she is physically strong and fights back with all her might, kicking and scratching, but finally he muffles her and strangles her.

He sits with her body for a while and panics, contacts NBC who comes with his wife EBC and sister. Sister gets the kids out of bed and takes them back the inlaws. EBC gets the cleaning products out and NBC and GBC organise to get rid of the body.

NBC panics and doesn't want to be in the car with the dead body or associated too much and follows GBC in his own car. The body is dumped. The phone is thrown into the bushes. They are hoping it looks like someone else attacked her and make up a story to tell police.

GBC nervously calls police in the morning, they arrive and smell a rat immediately, when they are taking the details they notice the girls mention going for a sleepover to grandparents in the middle of the night and that GBC cannot get his story straight but can state clearly what ABC was wearing. They note there is a history of DV in the family and take immediate investigative action. They discover the affair with the woman with loose morals that had no respect for ABC and the girls.

IN MY OPINION the minute 'I' saw the first interview of GBC with his sister, I also felt he was lying. It was a very, very strong sick gut feeling.... His interview was whiney like when you call in sick to work and you're not sick. I don't for one minute believe ABC went 'walking' in the cool moist night or morning air with a brand new hair do.

If my partner went missing I would be BEGGING the media to help me FIND my partner. I would be trying to do everything in my power to help. I would be pleading with the public for information. Not hiding.

I think the police have made it very clear that the suburb is in no danger from a crazy killer running around. It was someone that ABC knew. The police would have spoken to ABC's family and advised them to keep their cool and wait for the QPS to do their job putting every bit of evidence together, as GBC's defence in court will be searching for any possible loop hole to get him off.

The big losers? Three little girls that have had their mum taken from them and then finding out that their dad was her killer. I hope that the BC family also pay for their assistance to cover this all up.
I hope that the courts allow the family of ABC to bring up the little girls and that GBC is locked up.

THIS IS ALL JUST MY OPINION AND MY FEELINGS.

I pretty much agree with you Appleblossom except I think the girls were at a sleepover. They are not babies and would pick up on something happening if they were woken up and whisked away in the night. The police would be able to talk to them. I think it would be a stretch for GBC's sister to be involved. I love my brothers but I wouldn't cover up a murder for them.
Now I must get ready for work. How annoying that I have to interrupt my sleuthing with work .lol

 

[wakeskate]

This site is getting so pathetic

You are only realising this now :floorlaugh:
I joined the site a few weeks ago because I was over the crazy theories and miss information, and thought I could help by adding information that is based on facts we know.

The last week has been easy reading by skipping every off topic post in here. Starting with the ones that have DV or Daniel Morcombe and you can skip almost half of them.

 

[Schmickthespy]

This site is getting so pathetic, instead of waiting for new info to come to light, lets just start dragging every person who has anything to do with Allison through the mud. Seems the only ones safe of critism is the daughters, but then I do remember someone saying maybe one of them killed their mother by accident. Get a life!!! I'm done here, as I will not listen to Allison or her family be talked about in such a way, when none of you who are saying it have ANY reason to say it, your just bored and going insane with your theories. Pathetic!!

I don't really think anyone here is dragging Allison or her family through the mud here, at least I have not had that impression at all. I think people are merely scrutinising this whole sordid affair from all angles and offering differing perspectives. It is actually quite apparent that GBC is copping it the worst for obvious reasons.

 

[spratsmum]

ALOT of pressure in the area to send the kids to a private high school.
Th older girls are nearing the age where non-refundable deposits are called for. Did GBC find out ABC had put down these from her own stash?

I have a son who attends an exclusive Brisbane school, can I tell you please the thought process and planning that goes into that decision?

My uncle and my brothers attended my sons school and before he was born, and before we knew his gender, my husband and I had decided that we wished our child to attend this school as well. I put his name on a wait list when he was 6 weeks old, he started at the school in Year 5 and I know people who tried to enrol children for that year when they 4 years old, and were told not to bother the wait list was too long.

Before he was 2 we started an education fund for our son, and that has come in very handy, my son finishes school this year, and in 71/2 years he has been attending the fees have doubled. This is not a unique, many, many people go down a similar scenario to enrol children at top private schools.

My point is, in the case of BC, private education at this cost, is usually planned for and budgeted for over many years. It is something that is discussed and known by your family and friends, that this is the future you want for your children. I believe that if this is what Allison had of wanted for her girls, it would have been discussed and planned for many years. Certainly those type of school do have a strong old boy/girl ties and many of there children attend mum or dad's old school

My son story is not unique that is what people do wh

 

[Schmickthespy]

Ok I am out of here. I might check back in tonight.

 

[Bayside]

no less plausible in my opinion than a clean cut triad biker child pornographer homosexual lover with a tat, that runs her over in a random DUI hit and run while stalking her and forgets to turn off the phone.....

LOLOL.... yeah.

 

[Bayside]

ABC does look to have put on some weight in the C21 dinner photos. I can understand, as I cycle up to the point my clothes are tight, then down again. Perhaps there was some stress eating involved, what with GBC had been putting her through.

The colour and fabric of the dress she wore was not very forgiving.

I think she looked healthy and beautiful.

 

[spratsmum]

Courier Mail began it...after Allison Sandy's interview with the Dickies.

If you were them, would you say no to a trust fund??

yes I would say no to them, because I would never want to be seen to have so little taste.

 

[willough]

I have a son who attends an exclusive Brisbane school, can I tell you please the thought process and planning that goes into that decision?

My uncle and my brothers attended my sons school and before he was born, and before we knew his gender, my husband and I had decided that we wished our child to attend this school as well. I put his name on a wait list when he was 6 weeks old, he started at the school in Year 5 and I know people who tried to enrol children for that year when they 4 years old, and were told not to bother the wait list was too long.

Before he was 2 we started an education fund for our son, and that has come in very handy, my son finishes school this year, and in 71/2 years he has been attending the fees have doubled. This is not a unique, many, many people go down a similar scenario to enrol children at top private schools.

My point is, in the case of BC, private education at this cost, is usually planned for and budgeted for over many years. It is something that is discussed and known by your family and friends, that this is the future you want for your children. I believe that if this is what Allison had of wanted for her girls, it would have been discussed and planned for many years. Certainly those type of school do have a strong old boy/girl ties and many of there children attend mum or dad's old school

My son story is not unique that is what people do wh

I agree.....My nephew is in a top Melbourne private school and they saved for years, with my sister working as well, because they want both their sons in this school....I have not been able to save as well and public schooling, or a local private (not so expensive @ approx $3500 a year) may be our option.................This isnt something that is just organised when a girl is 10....Its done from infancy.

Im glad that the fund is set up.....But I respect your view and see where it is coming from....and from this perspective, I do agree sprats. If this was Allison's wish, it would have been in place (it may be...we dont know) for and financially factored for, for many years already.

 

[mountainhigh]

I have listened to her best friend and her sister talking about Allison, they both have a genuine love for Allison that is very clear in their voices and in the way they speak about her.
I very much doubt either of them would be having any kind of affair with GBC.

agreed, wild goose chase there l would think sleuthers...
we also would not have gone this long without word that they have been interviewed by Police. THAT would be bigger news then little old TM being interviewed I can assure you!! And am pretty sure QPS would have been onto that theory quick smart also.....they're pretty clever these people, long after we have all gone they will still be doing in day in day out

you put 20 detectives on your life around the clock for a week and they would tell you what type of cake you had on your first birthday...


never say never...but unlikely...

 

[Reginald2]

I have a son who attends an exclusive Brisbane school, can I tell you please the thought process and planning that goes into that decision?

My uncle and my brothers attended my sons school and before he was born, and before we knew his gender, my husband and I had decided that we wished our child to attend this school as well. I put his name on a wait list when he was 6 weeks old, he started at the school in Year 5 and I know people who tried to enrol children for that year when they 4 years old, and were told not to bother the wait list was too long.

Before he was 2 we started an education fund for our son, and that has come in very handy, my son finishes school this year, and in 71/2 years he has been attending the fees have doubled. This is not a unique, many, many people go down a similar scenario to enrol children at top private schools.

My point is, in the case of BC, private education at this cost, is usually planned for and budgeted for over many years. It is something that is discussed and known by your family and friends, that this is the future you want for your children. I believe that if this is what Allison had of wanted for her girls, it would have been discussed and planned for many years. Certainly those type of school do have a strong old boy/girl ties and many of there children attend mum or dad's old school

My son story is not unique that is what people do wh

I do realise this. I am just trying to find another reason for stress in the family. I do know so many different senarios however. I have a friend who put aside money for their childs education only to have it discovered by her husband when he went through her tax return. He insisted that the money be put in to shares (doing well at that time). He then sold all the shares and put them in his name before leaving her.