Australia Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #10

[Humanoid1987]

I don't believe BRE would have posted anything or even did any google search regarding the csk, he was about hiding didn't want an online footprint etc if he is th csk then he would get his jollys by remembering the attacks.

I feel for his family. They must be going through hell and in the case of VG she would be questioning her whole life ..

 

[Foofighter]

If he pleads not guilty, i reckon they'll use police incompetence and mistakes as a defense. But hopefully the cops have heaps of evidence as well as the D.N.A to make a good case.

 

[Humanoid1987]

I don't want him to plead guilty. I want to test the evidence and his defense. If he pleaded guilty then I don't think the families and the wider community would have an closure.

 

[meticulously]

Sorry by entered by hand I meant whoever made the video must have typed these particular street names him/herself as opposed to taking a screenshot from a map of that area showing the street names. I think this is the case because the size of the text used changes (Angove St is written in larger font size than other streets named for example) and also some streets are named and others not, which is not consistent with say a screen shot from google maps which will show bigger roads such as Stirling Hwy but wouldn't show Angove St so prominently from that far out. Angove St is a relatively small street. Additionally a screenshot from a map would have Riverside Drive, not Riverside Road.

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When i read what papertrail wrote ; it explains ,

The map was added so readers could see the location of said pub .

Its not the c/ghost that made it

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[rhythymz]

Coincidence or not?

There could be some sort of correlation to events in Perth including the AFL footy season.

New Year Eve and the Australia Day Firework would have provided excellent cover, an opportunity to be away from home and a time when some young women would be straggling home late at night and unable to catch a taxi.

Regarding the AFL correlation, even if a West Coast game shown below was not played at Subicao Oval I understand lots of Eagles supporters typically meet at a Subiaco pub and watch the away games there.

There could have been pre-season attacks in three successive years 1995, 1996 and 1997. Do some footy nuts derive sexual satisfaction from their team winning? Could it be that an attack was needed to get into the spirit of the new AFL season?

19 June 1988, Sydney 14.20 (104) d West Coast 8.13 (61) SCG	Julie Cutler last seen 12:30am 20 June 1988
30 June 1991, West Coast 21.11 (137) d St Kilda 14.9 (93), Subiaco Oval	Kerry Turner last seen 5am June 30 1991 – BRE’s father’s birthday
New Year Eve	Saturday January 1 Claremont Subway Attack
Maybe a footy pre-season attack??	Sunday February 12 1995 Karrakatta attack.
Perth Australia Day fireworks, 25 January 1996	Sarah Spiers (18) called taxi 2:06am Sat Jan 26 1996
Maybe a footy pre-season attack?? AFL Pre-season DERBY, West Coast 10.11 (71) d Fremantle 7.15 (57) Sunday, 25 Feb 1996	Church Lane - Women bashed and indecently assaulted Sunday March 3 1996 at 2:00am
9 June 1996, West Coast 19.16 (130) d Adelaide 11.10 (76), Football Park	Jane Rimmer last seen Sunday June 9 1996 12:04am
Maybe a footy pre-season attack??	Ciara Glennon last seen Friday March 14, 1997

 

[jubillee]

I don't believe BRE would have posted anything or even did any google search regarding the csk, he was about hiding didn't want an online footprint etc if he is th csk then he would get his jollys by remembering the attacks.

I feel for his family. They must be going through hell and in the case of VG she would be questioning her whole life ..

Yep poor girl would be thoroughly confused right now...I can imagine him sitting down watching the Claremont TV specials with the family smirking inside..

 

[Greysp]

Im very interested too.
Have thought in past maybe BE had a bit of a love for alcohol from things in yearbook and just from his appearance and likes but...maybe it was quite the opposite .Maybe he actually hated the stuff (maybe even from his own previous issues with it).
Wouldn't think it would be wise for him to drink either way. May have let something slip or said something a bit off.
Alcohol sure has an ability to make most say things they would rather not and with secrets as big as his,I'd be surprised if he drank much.


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Or it was them being sarcastic. Such a reclusive square that it'd funny thinking of him as an alcoholic.

In terms of drug use from previous thread, maybe he was on adhd meds.

Personally I think he was too arrogant to think there was anything wrong with himself mentally

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[Greysp]

Question for posters: It appears that BRE's relationship ended in the last couple of years. What are your thoughts on BRE coming onto the police radar because;

1. He's done some dodgy stuff since the breakup.
2. His ex wife/another family member has reported him.

I think the timing is intriguing especially in that he might have started re-offending, doing some dodgy stuff online, bragging, behaviours changed recently.

Any thoughts?

Imo they made the dna link early 2015 and spent all this time going over his travels etc. Gathering info. Got what they needed then set up the arrest in the most dramatic way for *advertiser censored* and giggles. Honestly, trg was serious overkill. But, if he's the guy, oh the justice.

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[Greysp]

Seems odd to me that be (doesn't deserve capital letters in my book) never ran overseas. Assuming he's guilty of course. Perhaps thought he'd never be caught?

Also have been wondering if someone who's worked with these types before can provide some insight.... is a 'person' like this capable of feeling any remorse for what they've put the families of the victims through? Do they *ever* have a day/moment where they feel awful? I feel sick in the guts when I think of poor old Don Spiers wading through a swamp in the middle of the night looking for his daughter. It'd make anyone cry if they actually stopped and thought carefully about that. Do these guys ever have moments of clarity/humanity?

Me too. Poor guy. But it makes sense he's from a relatively poor area. I think people like this lack the processes necessary for empathy. I think he'd be stoked that these "rich women" and their "rich families" were suffering. Particularly CG. He must have loved finding out her background.

I also think the only person he came close to loving was VG. As a possession

I think CG was a battered woman behind closed doors. Didn't want the world to know her business so kept her fb page as is but stopped participating. May also have been too afraid of him to change anything.

And I think the only way he'll talk 's if they seriously stroke his ego.

All speculation

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[Greysp]

There is a few options with this
1. CSK got cocky
2. CSK wanted the bodies found, after SS was not, he decided to be more obvious
3. CSK had not had time to prep for the dumps, his urges were too strong
4. Something happened with SS dump, i.e. the extra time taken on the dump perhaps to dig caused too much risk
5. at the time of SS there was a specific opportunity i.e. building site that availed itself that was not on offer for later vics
6. SS was dumped west in the ocean to fit some sort of geographical pattern
7. CSK wanted to keep SS close to home to relive the thrill, but has to be somewhere she can't be found.
8. SS is not dead
9. SS was in a reasonably similar spot to JR and CG but she just never got found.
10. Something else

Or it was just pure luck that two got found and one wasn't. Or wasn't like they weren't hidden out of the way. SS may be in toodyay just off a track but there's been no flower pickers there. Just a thought

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[Greysp]

What I dont understand is that they are saying only since the Kimono was recently tested have they linked the DNA of the KK case with it and CG. Why wasn't a DNA link made between the KK case and CG previous to this? Did WAPOL just not look??

DNA cold case review. Wasn't done in 88.
I would love to know more about the DNA found on CG.
What from
When found
Tested here or sent away
Method tested
Full profile?

Etc.

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[Greysp]

I remember reading an article where KK described her group of friends taking her out to their car in the car park & leaving her there because she was too drunk. She then remembers sobering up quickly when she's being groped by her abductor as he's driving her in his van to the rape location. This leans towards CSK either lurking inside the clubs or around the car parks. Otherwise how would he have known KK was passed out in a parked car?


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Do you have a link to this?

Sorry. Ignore. It's taking me a while to catch up

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[CSK?]

I really think people are reading into BE's WCE comments Wayyyyyyyyyy too much!! If he had been waking up for work early hours of the morning for 30 years then it is certainly not unusual for his body clock to be set making him an early riser. He posted about a sports team named the eagles having a new stadium that fittingly looks like a nest, nothing deviant about that in my opinion. Not every act of a serial killer is some sinister plot, believe it or not they do have normal hobbies, and aside from the rapey/killer aspect a normal life. Plus we know BE was a WCE fan for almost a quarter of a century at the very least, so taking an avid interest in the club and new stadium is perfectly normal.

I think BE on that day was as suprised as each one of us to find out an arrest was made in the CSK case.

Great work with the timeline guys, you did an awesome job!:loveyou:

 

[petedavo.au]

When i read what papertrail wrote ; it explains ,

The map was added so readers could see the location of said pub .

Its not the c/ghost that made it

.

That's East Fremantle. There is a Riverside Rd. Whoever said Riverside Drive is thinking of Crawley, not East Free. Screenshot taken just now.

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[Grok]

I'm a woman and know BE through athletics. Seemed like a 'normal' guy, pretty quiet. Certainly nobody that stood out as being unusual in any way..

Hi thanks for that info. So did you spend a bit of time with him on days at BLAC? Did you socialise with him?

 

[Grok]

I don't believe BRE would have posted anything or even did any google search regarding the csk, he was about hiding didn't want an online footprint etc if he is th csk then he would get his jollys by remembering the attacks.

I feel for his family. They must be going through hell and in the case of VG she would be questioning her whole life ..

Why do you think BRE wouldn't have used technology available to him to hide his internet use?

 

[Grok]

Coincidence or not?

There could be some sort of correlation to events in Perth including the AFL footy season.

Hi I looked at the footy season but couldn't see any pattern. Bit random for mine..

 

[The Hobo]

Or it was just pure luck that two got found and one wasn't. Or wasn't like they weren't hidden out of the way. SS may be in toodyay just off a track but there's been no flower pickers there. Just a thought

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Given the amount of development in Perth, and the time frame since SS, I find that hard to believe.

Places that were once bush, now have houses and parks etc.

I think he went to a lot of effort hiding the first one, and then got complacent.

 

[CP345]

Given the amount of development in Perth, and the time frame since SS, I find that hard to believe.

Places that were once bush, now have houses and parks etc.

I think he went to a lot of effort hiding the first one, and then got complacent.

Or possibly disappointed that he didn't get further 'credit' for the murder. Even today it's only assumed she is dead which is why he hasn't been charged for it.

 

[Grok]

Bit of trivia for people who are saying they had women's clothes stolen off clothes lines. In the 70/80s wards of the states used to steal clothes off lines quite a bit. They called it snow dropping (not sure why) They were given what they called "mission clothes" which were obviously given by churches and not appealing. So when they went into hostels etc they would collect their wardrobes off peoples clothes lines. Not sure they would have stolen lingerie though. Lingerie would fit into the pervert category I would imagine.