Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #16

[Mo Joe]

Mo Joe,

Do you mean as a witness or perpetrator. U.Ks Robert Thompson and Jon Venables were only ten when they committed murder.

http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/lif...s-who-killed-james-bulger-20130208-2e2nd.html

Witness.

 

[crabstick]

This may help a wider audience why this area is being discussed.

Wider mapping including some of the surrounding flats. French is the French restaurant owned by the Geneste family.

Please note, to the south east there is large apartment towers built in the 1960s. There is two sets of flats in this immediate area.

This is also the intersection Lance Williams dropped off the undercover police woman.

The carpark behind Greer is in the vicinity of where Sharon Mason attended Iona along with 2 main victims, although speculation Jane Rimmer had a connection with Iona.

The three main suspected victims were all allegedly heading in this direction to Mosman park from Claremont. So was Julie Cutler.

 

[crabstick]

Im not suggesting there was an intimate longer term relationship. Im suggesting there may have been a one night fling. Media have said step daughter, but no one has contemplated there be a one night stand or a couple 6 years prior. Maybe CG didnt know he was or not told. He then told her and the other relationship had to be separated. Eventually after the separation, they moved in together, maybe in the interest the child
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She was living in Kewdale, near where he lived in a neighbouring suburb. Im keeping mind open that VG is bio daughter. Media said they werent sure when the relationship started.

Pending the accused is of his charges. Since when are psychopaths considerate of their actions? Obviously someone was on a killing spree 1996 1997

1996, CG says "I have given birth your child", which blew his life apart?

Crabstick,

The media have repeatedly referred to V as BREs stepdaughter. The theory of an extra-marital affair is an interesting thought, especially as V remained in the Acton Av home. I only know what the media has printed.

The Fountain Way property was sold in 1997. If the pair got together in 1993 why would they rent or stay elsewhere. Perhaps because EE was residing there. BRE went to live with his parents (Gay St) after the Fountain Way property was sold. It doesn't make sense. Unless they broke up for a while. Historic Electoral records should indicate where CGE lived. Can we access them?

Only my thoughts and opinions.

Ms Geneste’s family were from Kewdale but were familiar with the affluent western suburbs. They operated a popular French restaurant La Petite Cabine at 616 Stirling Highway in Mosman Park between 1985 and June 1994.
http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/wes...s/news-story/557f281e68cdf76d572843291ea9cef7

 

[petedavo.au]

I didn't explain myself very well when I said "ties in with it did I" Im struggling to keep up, hence being short.

Pam Lawrence June 1994, French restaurant closes July 1994. Geneste pregnant with child. (Sarah Spiers Jan 1996)
We dont know when marriage breakdown history in detail. Media say they don't know when Geneste relationship started.
Is it possible that someone had an extra marital affair and the pregnant mother didn't know he was married?

As you say, July 2000 is when they moved into together. 6 years back from July is 1994 around when restaurant closed.

Can you state categorically VG is not the biological child of the accused?

RZ was depressed because his former girlfriend was going out with a married man. And was talking of marrying him.
But I think linking suppositions might be a bit facetious, no?
http://murderinhospital.com/index.html

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[Canning Vale]

This may help a wider audience why this area is being discussed.

Wider mapping including some of the surrounding flats. French is the French restaurant owned by the Geneste family.

Please note, to the south east there is large apartment towers built in the 1960s. There is two sets of flats in this immediate area.

This is also the intersection Lance Williams dropped off the undercover police woman.

The carpark behind Greer is in the vicinity of where Sharon Mason attended Iona along with 2 main victims, although speculation Jane Rimmer had a connection with Iona.

The three main suspected victims were all allegedly heading in this direction to Mosman park from Claremont. So was Julie Cutler.

In February 1983 Sharon Mason went missing. In 1994 Sharon’s body was found and Arthur Greer was charged with the murder - Sharon was found behind the shop Greer ran at the time of her disappearance. http://www.perthnow.com.au

Note: Greer was born in Belfast

Below is a timeline of events. I’m not suggesting any of the below are involved.

1983	February December	Sharon Mason goes missing BRE turned 15
1985		G family started at French restaurant
1988	June	JC disappears
1992		Sharon’s body is located (earthworks)
1994	April May June Nov	V born PL murdered French restaurant closed Greer convicted of SMs murder https://www.mediastatements.wa.gov.au

 

[Canning Vale]

Im not suggesting there was an intimate longer term relationship. Im suggesting there may have been a one night fling. Media have said step daughter, but no one has contemplated there be a one night stand or a couple 6 years prior. Maybe CG didnt know he was or not told. He then told her and the other relationship had to be separated. Eventually after the separation, they moved in together, maybe in the interest the child
.
She was living in Kewdale, near where he lived in a neighbouring suburb. Im keeping mind open that VG is bio daughter. Media said they werent sure when the relationship started.

Pending the accused is of his charges. Since when are psychopaths considerate of their actions? Obviously someone was on a killing spree 1996 1997

1996, CG says "I have given birth your child", which blew his life apart?

Crabstick,

A very interesting theory. May explain quiet a bit.

 

[Spooks-R-Us]

The Sex Chamber
SK idea for a shipping container!
Warning - some images may shock some people
[video]https://youtu.be/MX5gScTw2JA[/video]

 

[janwa]

I presume the police are using the Hopes computer program to correlate all these cases I would think it is something similar to the UK Homes2 program that finally linked all the information bases. https://groups.google.com/d/topic/alt.true-crime/BWLz6ld6Ru0

 

[Canning Vale]

There have been umpteen posts which mention an Irish connection. Offhand Arthur Greer was born in Belfast; CG had Irish parents and the IONA College. I’m going to have a look at the various Irish pubs and their locations. Can anyone think of any former Irish clubs or pubs located within the Claremont area?
There’s Irish pubs in Fremantle and Northbridge including an Irish Club in Subiaco. Located two suburbs NE of Claremont Subiaco also hosts nightlife.

Like Australians the Irish celebrate the same days but especially St Patricks Day. Other Irish holidays are listed below. https://en.wikipedia.org

17 March St Patrick’s Day

May - First Monday in May

June - First Monday in June (formerly Whit Monday)

August - First Monday in August

October - Last Monday in October

 

[Canning Vale]

The Sex Chamber
SK idea for a shipping container!
Warning - some images may shock some people
[video]https://youtu.be/MX5gScTw2JA[/video]

Spooks,

Many thanks for the video link. It goes to show what lengths some predators will and do go to. Given the location it would have proven very difficult to catch the truly sick Son of a B......!

 

[Innerchild]

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Good find AL. This is well written, organised, invalidation of the claim that the five cops stood down were getting frustrated. The rebuttal included the points that ...these officers were stood down in May on full pay. They are entitled to free legal representation, due to the provisions of the CCC Act. On May 16, the West Australian reported that Premier Alan Carpenter said the police should apologise to wrongfully convicted Andrew Mallard.

Former Chief Justice David Malcolm has declared that Mr Mallard had suffered a grave injustice and that if the full facts had been presented to him, he would have overturned the conviction in the 1995 appeal.No police apology has been tendered. Mr Mallard spent nearly 12 years in jail for a crime he did not commit, based on a conviction that was won with purportedly shoddy and omitted evidence...
Twelve years' incarceration against two months' paid leave, and meantime not a word of empathy for Mr Mallard and what he has suffered. Another victim of crime thrown on the scrapheap by the current police regime. Michelle, Mosman Park

Wouldn't be surprised if one of the journalists involved in freeing Mallard wrote this, having a big dig at the involvement of a certain Michelle from Mosman Park by sarcastically putting her name on it, IMO.

Caporn also found Michelle a nicer place to stay according to Egan's book Murderer No More (excerpts posted above by PeteDavo)!

 

[crabstick]

I think the psychological connection may revolve around the two streets, five houses down from the house he was on. The two streets that bound his old primary school Huntingdale (There's a conundrum) are Patrick and Shamrock way.

Patrick and Shamrock have heavy connections with Iona isle. Not only that, the girls disappeared a couple of days before on the 3 patron saints day of Iona. Ciara was celebrating St Patricks. Jane went missing on the day, Sarah the weekend before, but none after.
You would be doing well to abduct all three on exact days.

Not sure what the psychological connection is. Maybe early research while attending primary school.

The Zodiac serial killer sent police hints at his identity.

#shamrock

There have been umpteen posts which mention an Irish connection. Offhand Arthur Greer was born in Belfast; CG had Irish parents and the IONA College. I&#8217;m going to have a look at the various Irish pubs and their locations. Can anyone think of any former Irish clubs or pubs located within the Claremont area?
There&#8217;s Irish pubs in Fremantle and Northbridge including an Irish Club in Subiaco. Located two suburbs NE of Claremont Subiaco also hosts nightlife.

Like Australians the Irish celebrate the same days but especially St Patricks Day. Other Irish holidays are listed below. https://en.wikipedia.org

17 March St Patrick&#8217;s Day

May - First Monday in May

June - First Monday in June (formerly Whit Monday)

August - First Monday in August

October - Last Monday in October

 

[Canning Vale]

During Oct 1980 Lisa Mott went missing from Collie WA. Last seen either speaking to someone or getting into a yellow panel van at Collie. David Birnie had worked in the area and was said to have owned a similar vehicle at the time. His first wife, who&#8217;s not implicated in the murders, provided an alibi, making his involvement in the murder impossible. (approx. 2hrs drive from Perth to Collie - 200kms).

Two more women, Cheryl Renwick and Barbara Western, have been named as potential victims of the David and Catherine Birnie couple as per Channel Seven's Murder Uncovered. http://www.nvi.com.au

Note: Catherine Birnie was a defacto wife of David &#8211; name changed by deed poll. http://www.perthnow.com.au

 

[petedavo.au]

There have been umpteen posts which mention an Irish connection. Offhand Arthur Greer was born in Belfast; CG had Irish parents and the IONA College. I’m going to have a look at the various Irish pubs and their locations. Can anyone think of any former Irish clubs or pubs located within the Claremont area?
There’s Irish pubs in Fremantle and Northbridge including an Irish Club in Subiaco. Located two suburbs NE of Claremont Subiaco also hosts nightlife.

Like Australians the Irish celebrate the same days but especially St Patricks Day. Other Irish holidays are listed below. https://en.wikipedia.org

17 March St Patrick’s Day

May - First Monday in May

June - First Monday in June (formerly Whit Monday)

August - First Monday in August

October - Last Monday in October

Lady abducted from near the Fenian's pub in Adelaide Tce and dumped wrapped in plastic at Centenary Drive Wilson?

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[Canning Vale]

I think the psychological connection may revolve around the two streets, five houses down from the house he was on. The two streets that bound his old primary school Huntingdale (There's a conundrum) are Patrick and Shamrock way.

Patrick and Shamrock have heavy connections with Iona isle. Not only that, the girls disappeared a couple of days before on the 3 patron saints day of Iona. Ciara was celebrating St Patricks. Jane went missing on the day, Sarah the weekend before, but none after.
You would be doing well to abduct all three on exact days.

Not sure what the psychological connection is. Maybe early research while attending primary school.

My thoughts are that the CSK (whoever he may be) perhaps socialized at one of the Irish clubs or pubs. Perhaps one of his parents or in-laws had an Irish heritage and he socialized at one of of those places.

 

[crabstick]

First Monday of August is 7th August? Rayney? Robyn Santen?

There have been umpteen posts which mention an Irish connection. Offhand Arthur Greer was born in Belfast; CG had Irish parents and the IONA College. I&#8217;m going to have a look at the various Irish pubs and their locations. Can anyone think of any former Irish clubs or pubs located within the Claremont area?
There&#8217;s Irish pubs in Fremantle and Northbridge including an Irish Club in Subiaco. Located two suburbs NE of Claremont Subiaco also hosts nightlife.

Like Australians the Irish celebrate the same days but especially St Patricks Day. Other Irish holidays are listed below. https://en.wikipedia.org

17 March St Patrick&#8217;s Day

May - First Monday in May

June - First Monday in June (formerly Whit Monday)

August - First Monday in August

October - Last Monday in October

 

[Mo Joe]

Lady abducted from near the Fenian's pub in Adelaide Tce and dumped wrapped in plastic at Centenary Drive Wilson?

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That's interesting! Do you have any more details?

 

[Spooks-R-Us]

My take on the JC story.... BTW not my final opinion on what occurred, just another scenario. Although, I'm guessing someone has already posted this scenario before too.

JC went to her staff party at Parmelia Hilton. After leaving staff party she went to the house of her 'boyfriend'.

No one else knew about this relationship for some reason, either a new guy or an affair.

However something went wrong at this house. An argument. A fight. Maybe JC fell and hit her head accidentally. Maybe the boyfriend killed her accidentally or on purpose. Maybe the boyfriend wasn't just a boyfriend and he was a married man, and he wanted the relationship with JC to end so he killed her.

Then the boyfriend disposed of her body some where. Possibly even hiding her body in the underground septic tank at his house.

And then the boyfriend ditched her car at Cottesloe beach. And then he walked home.

Just my wild guesses.


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[Canning Vale]

First Monday of August is 7th August? Rayney? Robyn Santen?

What I intend doing is creating a spreadsheet of various dates the ladies went missing and what holidays fell near to that date. We can populate the spreadsheet with the nearest hotel or Irish pub.
We'll need to do some brainstorming of ideas with it. It can include the day of the week the person went missing. Also the stage of the moon for daylight purposes.
The spreadsheet can expand and we can keep it on here somewhere - like Grok's & Spinnaker's spreadsheet. I'll include links too.

 

[SherlockSleuth]

Hey does anyone know why there's CCTV footage of Jane Rimmer, but none of the other suspected CSK victims?