Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #21

[petedavo.au]

Is this March 2018? I keep getting booted off this site when I go to the links.

Yes, a couple of weeks ago.

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[Annalise]

I know I go on about the Gemini out front of BRE’s house. Is there any chance that could have been used in demolition derby? I’m convinced BRE used that car for SS abduction. MOO

 

[Spinnaker]

An interesting point of view, albeit Catherine Birnie's.
http://thewest2.smedia.com.au/Olive/APA/thewest-archives/SharedView.Article.aspx?
href=WAN%2F2010%2F04%2F24&id=Ar02802&sk=6A355004

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If there is any truth in the above, raises a few queries:

1. How did CB know that there was a SK hunting and SS was his second victim?
2. Who is CB referring to as the first victim?
3. CB is insistent that she knew something and that they were copying her and DB - in what way?

Just theorising - guess there were similarities with Stirling Highway, anything else, dumpsite perhaps?

 

[El Gordo]

I know I go on about the Gemini out front of BRE’s house. Is there any chance that could have been used in demolition derby? I’m convinced BRE used that car for SS abduction. MOO

Hi Annalise
If those photos are taken around the time of his arrest the car was not used in a demo derby .... I know it has all sorts of coloured panels on it
This is the clue that it was not a demo derby car ... if you planned on restoring it you would not put it into a demo derby first ... most of these cars were trashed after the event , were not road worthy before it , and death traps after it

I think you can safely rule that car out of a demo derby

 

[no name]

I know I go on about the Gemini out front of BRE's house. Is there any chance that could have been used in demolition derby? I’m convinced BRE used that car for SS abduction

All we can go on is the word of Trueblue VI who has said that BRE and CGe didnt meet until 1998ish, the car was hers and it was seen in the driveway at Acton Ave until the end of 2011. Seems very unlikely that SS was anywhere near that car IMO. Was there a demo derby somewhere at the end of 2011, I dont know?

 

[no name]

IIFC Trueblue also said that BRE had his own personal car at the time of the abductions. Thats the one I'd be interested in knowing more about. Anyone up for putting together a time lapse on Fountain Way?

 

[Innerchild]

If there is any truth in the above, raises a few queries:

1. How did CB know that there was a SK hunting and SS was his second victim?
2. Who is CB referring to as the first victim?
3. CB is insistent that she knew something and that they were copying her and DB - in what way?

Just theorising - guess there were similarities with Stirling Highway, anything else, dumpsite perhaps?

Theorising back at ya ...

1. The "witch" and David knew who was involved and that this person or people were involved with a victim before SS.

2. Julie Cutler as the first victim. Numerous reports have said her family were told she may have been the first victim. Were cops told that by one or both Birnie's perhaps?

3. Copycats are using the male and female SK Birnie model. Katich is still saying in the last reports on Julie Cutler they wanted to speak to the male and female seen leaving the function just after Julie. Female reported in the cab with a male and SS the night before she was abducted. Droc reports a taxi driver and female abducting girls.

For me, her car almost impossible being dumped in the water at Cottesloe Beach raises questions why there? Especially with the damage that had occurred to the car, it's the most unlikely place to dump the vehicle.

For this reason IMO it was very important for someone for it to be there and because of the weird straight line going through Bay View Tce joining CG and JP, it's a sick SK mapping murder.

 

[Spinnaker]

Theorising back at ya ...

1. The "witch" and David knew who was involved and that this person or people were involved with a victim before SS.

2. Julie Cutler as the first victim. Numerous reports have said her family were told she may have been the first victim. Were cops told that by one or both Birnie's perhaps?

3. Copycats are using the male and female SK Birnie model. Katich is still saying in the last reports on Julie Cutler they wanted to speak to the male and female seen leaving the function just after Julie. Female reported in the cab with a male and SS the night before she was abducted. Droc reports a taxi driver and female abducting girls.

For me, her car almost impossible being dumped in the water at Cottesloe Beach raises questions abut why there? Especially with the damage that had occurred to the car, it's the most unlikely place to dump the vehicle.

For this reason IMO it was very important for someone for it to be there and because of the weird straight line going through Bay View Tce joining CG and JP, it's a sick SK mapping murder.

Is the CSK a 'copycat' in any way?

Burnies' victims below:

Mary Neilson, Oct 6, 1986 abducted from tyre shop - found Gleneagles National Park
Susannah Candy, Oct 20, 1986 abducted from Claremont, Stirling Highway - found State Forrest, not far from Mary.
Noelene Patterson, Nov 1, 1986 abducted from Canning Highway - found State Forrest, not far from Mary and Susannah.
Denis Brown 5 Nov, 1986 abducted from Stirling Highway - found Gnangara Pine Plantation
Kate Moir Nov 10,1986 - escaped

Other potential victims
Cheryl Renwick in May 1986, Barbara Western in June 1986 and Lisa Mott, 30 October, 1980.
https://www.smh.com.au/entertainmen...vid-and-catherine-birnie-20170208-gu8o1o.html

http://murderpedia.org/male.B/b/birnie-david.htm

 

[Innerchild]

Is the CSK a 'copycat' in any way?

Burnies' victims below:

Mary Neilson, Oct 6, 1986 abducted from tyre shop - found Gleneagles National Park
Susannah Candy, Oct 20, 1986 abducted from Claremont, Stirling Highway - found State Forrest, not far from Mary.
Noelene Patterson, Nov 1, 1986 abducted from Canning Highway - found State Forrest, not far from Mary and Susannah.
Denis Brown 5 Nov, 1986 abducted from Stirling Highway - found Gnangara Pine Plantation
Kate Moir Nov 10,1986 - escaped

Other potential victims
Cheryl Renwick in May 1986, Barbara Western in June 1986 and Lisa Mott, 30 October, 1980.
https://www.smh.com.au/entertainmen...vid-and-catherine-birnie-20170208-gu8o1o.html

http://murderpedia.org/male.B/b/birnie-david.htm

Was Kate Moir taken from Stirling Hwy as well? Sharon Mason taken from a bus stop on Stirling Hwy.

What is interesting about the Brinie's is that David gave up the four known victims fairly quickly when questioned by Katich. Cops really had nothing on them at that stage except possible abduction and sexual assault of Moir.

Stirling Hwy has a definate connection, but don't know if the first victim Catherine was talking about before SS was taken from there.

The other potential victims, Lisa Mott hasn't been found and the other two were decapitated from some reports. I'm theorising maybe he gave the four victims up quickly to hide involvement and questioning on the others. The extent of their injuries and why they were killed in that way could bring up ritual or satanic connections and possible involvement of others that he wouldn't want to get into, IMO.

http://www.news.com.au/entertainmen...e/news-story/9304099ceb7f9966e7fecbd3999e1173

 

[Spinnaker]

Was Kate Moir taken from Stirling Hwy as well? Sharon Mason taken from a bus stop on Stirling Hwy.

What is interesting about the Brinie's is that David gave up the four known victims fairly quickly when questioned by Katich. Cops really had nothing on them at that stage except possible abduction and sexual assault of Moir.

Stirling Hwy has a definate connection, but don't know if the first victim Catherine was talking about before SS was taken from there.

The other potential victims, Lisa Mott hasn't been found and the other two were decapitated from some reports. I'm theorising maybe he gave the four victims up quickly to hide involvement and questioning on the others. The extent of their injuries and why they were killed in that way could bring up ritual or satanic connections and possible involvement of others that he wouldn't want to get into, IMO.

http://www.news.com.au/entertainmen...e/news-story/9304099ceb7f9966e7fecbd3999e1173

"Kate was abducted ... on Stirling Highway, Nedlands after an evening at Claremont with friends" - sounds familiar.[FONT=&amp]

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[Innerchild]

"Kate was abducted ... on Stirling Highway, Nedlands after an evening at Claremont with friends" - sounds familiar.[FONT=&amp]

[/FONT]https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/wa/birnie-survivor-kate-moir-and-wa-police-officer-laura-hancock-together-after-three-decades-ng-902072b9ad2a711520bcdfc83c4e3be7

[FONT=&amp]In fact she was the first person to suggest to me, not long after the first victim, Ms Spiers, had disappeared, that a serial killer was hunting and that Sarah was his second victim. At the time I thought it was nonsense because the only thing anyone knew was that a young woman had disappeared, and the news was generating a lot of media publicity. Cathie insisted she knew something, and was insistent that someone was copying her and David. Quote by Ruth Wykes co-author Woman Who Kill.
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http://thewest2.smedia.com.au/Olive...px?href=WAN/2010/04/24&id=Ar02802&sk=6A355004

Not long after Sarah went missing CB was insistent that a SK was hunting and copying her and David. Three of their five known victims were taken from Stirling Hwy, but all of the known victims were taken by both of them working as an effective male / female sick SK team.

None of the potential victims taken from Stirling Hwy. Maybe Ferguson really meant the "witch" comment? She (and he) may have been involved in something very evil?

https://thewest.com.au/news/australia/birnie-witch-must-stay-in-jail-ng-ya-225572

 

[petedavo.au]

In April 1986 David Birnie was employed at a Car Wreckers yard in Myaree
By any chance does anyone know which Wreckers yard?
https://books.google.com.au/books?i...BAB#v=onepage&q=david birnie wreckers&f=false

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[Innerchild]

Was this him in his workshirt? Elder Be....?

According to Paul Kidd, author of Australia’s Serial Killers, Mary went to a spare-parts yard where David worked and he told her she should come by his house.
Mary turned up at the killer couple’s home in Moorhouse Street in Willagee, in Perth’s southwest.

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/re...o/news-story/c2701f916c53d333d32699ea065e0719

 

[Innerchild]

The burnt out log near where the victims were found is interesting as well. Was it Kerryn Tate who was found near a similar log? Sarah Spiers as well, from some of the clues?

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/re...o/news-story/c2701f916c53d333d32699ea065e0719

 

[no name]

The burnt out log near where the victims were found is interesting as well. Was it Kerryn Tate who was found near a similar log?[/QUOTE]
Lots of burnt tree references made over the years. Kerryn Tate 1979 found off Brookton Highway. Annette Deverell 1980 found Waroona Dam 1982. Kerry Turner 1991 found Canning Dam. Darylyn Ugle 2003 found Mundaring Weir.
Could Kerry Turner be who CB is referring to?

 

[no name]

Repeat of CI "Hunt for a Killer" episode on Crime channel 7.25am tomorrow WST.

 

[aussiereader4]

[FONT=&amp]In fact she was the first person to suggest to me, not long after the first victim, Ms Spiers, had disappeared, that a serial killer was hunting and that Sarah was his second victim. At the time I thought it was nonsense because the only thing anyone knew was that a young woman had disappeared, and the news was generating a lot of media publicity. Cathie insisted she knew something, and was insistent that someone was copying her and David. Quote by Ruth Wykes co-author Woman Who Kill.
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http://thewest2.smedia.com.au/Olive...px?href=WAN/2010/04/24&id=Ar02802&sk=6A355004

Not long after Sarah went missing CB was insistent that a SK was hunting and copying her and David. Three of their five known victims were taken from Stirling Hwy, but all of the known victims were taken by both of them working as an effective male / female sick SK team.

None of the potential victims taken from Stirling Hwy. Maybe Ferguson really meant the "witch" comment? She (and he) may have been involved in something very evil?

https://thewest.com.au/news/australia/birnie-witch-must-stay-in-jail-ng-ya-225572

The only way i can see Catherine Birnie knowing that, is if one of their alleged victims was not their victim.

 

[Spinnaker]

[FONT=&amp]In fact she was the first person to suggest to me, not long after the first victim, Ms Spiers, had disappeared, that a serial killer was hunting and that Sarah was his second victim. At the time I thought it was nonsense because the only thing anyone knew was that a young woman had disappeared, and the news was generating a lot of media publicity. Cathie insisted she knew something, and was insistent that someone was copying her and David. Quote by Ruth Wykes co-author Woman Who Kill.
[/FONT]
http://thewest2.smedia.com.au/Olive...px?href=WAN/2010/04/24&id=Ar02802&sk=6A355004

Not long after Sarah went missing CB was insistent that a SK was hunting and copying her and David. Three of their five known victims were taken from Stirling Hwy, but all of the known victims were taken by both of them working as an effective male / female sick SK team.

None of the potential victims taken from Stirling Hwy. Maybe Ferguson really meant the "witch" comment? She (and he) may have been involved in something very evil?

https://thewest.com.au/news/australia/birnie-witch-must-stay-in-jail-ng-ya-225572

The below page mentions that Kate had been to the Claremont Hotel.

"In November 1986, when I was seventeen years old, I was abducted at knifepoint by David and Catherine Birnie, Australia's worst serial killing couple, whilst on my way home from The Claremont Hotel after an evening out with friends."

https://www..com/katemoir

EDIT: below FB page also mentions Cottesloe Hotel and Cagneys.
https://www.facebook.com/KateMoirSupport/posts/1126391697456303

 

[petedavo.au]

The only way i can see Catherine Birnie knowing that, is if one of their alleged victims was not their victim.

Let us make it simple. Maybe Birnie knew the alleged CSK from when he was a kid. Maybe they were in social networks that intersected? Maybe David and Catherine were closer to the alleged CSK than assumed? Too bad that visitor logs at prison are not public.
But the reality is probably that Catherine Birnie was just big noting and was untruthful. The author assumed that she was talking about Sarah McMahon, and the coroner's inquest makes it plain that she's not a CSK victim.

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[El Gordo]

Let us make it simple. Maybe Birnie knew the alleged CSK from when he was a kid. Maybe they were in social networks that intersected? Maybe David and Catherine were closer to the alleged CSK than assumed? Too bad that visitor logs at prison are not public.
But the reality is probably that Catherine Birnie was just big noting and was untruthful. The author assumed that she was talking about Sarah McMahon, and the coroner's inquest makes it plain that she's not a CSK victim.

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Agree entirely with the big noting , when your only visitors are likely to be vultures looking for a story you would say anything to keep them coming back