Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #4

[Peter Kurten]

What if the reason that the girls got into the vehicles, was that the killer was also heading home to Mosman Park and was able to name off a streets that the girls recognized? The directions of travel make sense. It still is quite a considerable taxi fare in terms of cost. It was even said that Sarah most likely chose Mosman Park as it was cheaper than South Perth.

What if Claremont was on his usual route home from work and occasionally worked late or caught up with mates for drinks after work? It's quite possible alcohol contributed to the actions and confidence of the killer.

Does anyone here know anything about how they put the callsigns on sails after they've sown them? Would they screen print them in house or send them out for some other business to do it?

 

[Peter Kurten]

I also think that the Mystery Man is repeating one of Jane Rimmer's usual or favourite food/beverage orders and that's why she starts laughing before she looks up and recognizes his face. With the way his left hand is pointing it looks like he is asking a rhetorical question that is familiar to Jane.

He is a bit better dressed than anyone else in the video which suggests he is dressed for a slightly different purpose.
Can someone please find out the temperature on the night to find out if he was indeed wearing an undershirt. The top buttons look like they are undone.

 

[elleAU]

I'm not trying to stop your discussion of the Claremont ghost vids & their relevance so this is no more than just my opinion.

I personally feel these vids had nothing whatsoever to do with the case, they are nothing more than some depraved idiots attempt at his/her 15 minutes of fame. Why would you go to such lengths to gain the attention from posting them only to remain silent for the next 6, 7 or 8 years. Someone wanted attention, got that attention then freaked out by all the attention they had received, removed the vids & closed the account because the attention they didn't want was that of the police.

I feel the same about the phone call received by Don Spiers, most likely it was some heartless idiot making a prank call, Why go to such lengths to hide the body only to let them know via a personal phone call where it is located, and if so desperate for that body to be found then why no further contact since?

I can sure you since this case began Parkie is not the only attention seeker claiming to have links to these crimes, there are plenty more out there. Both the youtube video's and the phone call lack any facts or concrete evidence to suggest they should be even remotely considered as being legitimate.

As for Frankie claiming to be the witness, he may be the same Frankie from BF, but that means nothing, who is to say that he still wasn't someone wanting a bit of attention? He has offered nothing whatsoever that hasn't already been regurgitated through news reports and discussions by us on here and BF, the only proof that he is one of the eye witnesses is him stating that he was one of the 3 men on an internet forum. when asked tough questions he takes his time to reply, is he really that 'busy' or taking the time to get his facts straight by reading articles an previous posts? Call me a skeptic if you may, but I don't believe for one minute that he is really one of the 3 eye witnesses.

By all means continue your discussions but please don't be so naive to take someone on their word over the internet, where there are high profile cases the trolls will run rampant. It's easy to get caught up in a story, we all would love to see this solved or even be a part of helping have it solved but that should never blind us to the point where fact and evidence becomes irrelevant.

I'm with you on the attention seekers. It's unfortunate and it's inappropriate, but it's a given; a high profile case shrouded in mystery will attract some who just want to "be a part of it".

The phone call to Mr Spiers is interesting, though, as he himself was reported as believing it to be real. If it is in fact the case, that he believes that phone call to be connected, it makes me wonder what was said during that call. Was this caller specific with certain information? Did he mention an identifying feature (e.g. a birthmark or similar)? Why, after all that Mr Spiers has been subjected to (phone calls, psychic interpretations, visits from the public), does he believe that one phone call to be legitimate?

As for not continuing to contact victims' relatives etc, a possible reason could be the increased risk of being caught - that is, if that contact was legitimate in the first place.

 

[Peter Kurten]

Notice the way this actor's hair is combed back. His hair was otherwise "shoulder length". Notice how the top buttons were undone leaving the collar outward, similar to the MM video.

You can also see the extra "tuft" of hair left from the long hair above his ear which looks unnatural at the back.

 

[Parkie]

[QUOTE=CSK?;

I can sure you since this case began Parkie is not the only attention seeker claiming to have links to these crimes, there are plenty more out there. End quote.

I will now fill you in on why I blogged like I did a way back. Due to this case not being solved & my linkages (albeit weak to medium) to 2 murder cases I decided to draw the csk out. 'The plan was' quite simple. Mention myself re the 2 cases. Say what I think happened at Claremont. Have a creepy screen name. And everyone will listen to everything I say. Media, Police & some crazies. Sure it got over the top with some of the nutz. But it worked, it worked freaking great in fact. This was to draw the CSK out. He`d get way pisst off that Dr. is taking the limelight from him & he`d either come back or blog. I recon he might have blogged but a Queensland woman stuffed the whole shebang up, with her multiple names. It was ludicrous in fact. She now lives here. Ok I had a few in the early days. But not now.
Yeah the Claremont Ghosts You Tube videos were probably not from the csk at all. Maybe Capicse who hinted at Parkie Amphitheatre was full of it too. And trust me on the sunscreen both of those are not me.
So there you have it in a nutshell. I bogged to bring out the CSK & he quite possibly may not have blogged at all. Or maybe he did. But Capisce in the Alan Newton`s blog in the Sunday times was adamant that SS is in Parkerville.That blog cannot be found & the Cops should have a chat to A.N & try to see the isp of the guy who commented as Capisce if the blog has not been deleted.. I have been right over that area in Parkie, and I mean virtually everywhere. You see I do a stack of research for one of Dads Railway mates when we came back to Perth from a long time overseas. The history of the Parkie railway stn, The stops along the lines, Number 2 pump station at the Mundaring Wier, Smiths Mill ( now Glen Forrest) The Katie steam train crash at Boya etc etc.
Where do I recon is the CSK? Probably overseas. They may have DNA but if 2 were involved then they might be a bit stuck with this case. And it looks like it to me. So that is why I blogged like I did. That was the plan. To draw him out. And barely anyone, anyone, including the SCS who know me quite well, ever figured out what my plan was. So chew on that for a while.

 

[Parkie]

They might have DNA but they don`t have a living soul to link it to. Maybe they need to think outside the box a little bit more. Maybe Debbie Malone was right re being under limestone in Henderson.. But she got it wrong right from where she & her team left the Conti/Post office locality on foot. Totally wrong on steadfast known facts from eye witnesses. So is/was Droc right re TT or did TT wind him in big time & had a good laugh about doing that? Quite likely imo. Was droc right re a Henderson (or Marmion st) addy? Who really knows, except the cops will have a good idea on whether Droc was right or wrong.

 

[Frankie1972]

I'm not trying to stop your discussion of the Claremont ghost vids & their relevance so this is no more than just my opinion.

I personally feel these vids had nothing whatsoever to do with the case, they are nothing more than some depraved idiots attempt at his/her 15 minutes of fame. Why would you go to such lengths to gain the attention from posting them only to remain silent for the next 6, 7 or 8 years. Someone wanted attention, got that attention then freaked out by all the attention they had received, removed the vids & closed the account because the attention they didn't want was that of the police.

I feel the same about the phone call received by Don Spiers, most likely it was some heartless idiot making a prank call, Why go to such lengths to hide the body only to let them know via a personal phone call where it is located, and if so desperate for that body to be found then why no further contact since?

I can sure you since this case began Parkie is not the only attention seeker claiming to have links to these crimes, there are plenty more out there. Both the youtube video's and the phone call lack any facts or concrete evidence to suggest they should be even remotely considered as being legitimate.

As for Frankie claiming to be the witness, he may be the same Frankie from BF, but that means nothing, who is to say that he still wasn't someone wanting a bit of attention? He has offered nothing whatsoever that hasn't already been regurgitated through news reports and discussions by us on here and BF, the only proof that he is one of the eye witnesses is him stating that he was one of the 3 men on an internet forum. when asked tough questions he takes his time to reply, is he really that 'busy' or taking the time to get his facts straight by reading articles an previous posts? Call me a skeptic if you may, but I don't believe for one minute that he is really one of the 3 eye witnesses.

By all means continue your discussions but please don't be so naive to take someone on their word over the internet, where there are high profile cases the trolls will run rampant. It's easy to get caught up in a story, we all would love to see this solved or even be a part of helping have it solved but that should never blind us to the point where fact and evidence becomes irrelevant.

Its ok CSK your entitled to your opinion.

 

[billywhizz]

great work parkie. a cunning plan indeed.

 

[billywhizz]

Notice the way this actor's hair is combed back. His hair was otherwise "shoulder length". Notice how the top buttons were undone leaving the collar outward, similar to the MM video.

You can also see the extra "tuft" of hair left from the long hair above his ear which looks unnatural at the back.

who is that actor? is it william mcnamara?

there was a peter kurten posting on gary hughes blogs. said claremont murders were based on the movie copycat. was this you? can you expand?

 

[billywhizz]

Peter Kurtin
Thu 31 May 07 (06:40pm)

There is a strong link between the serial homicide film “copycat” (1995) and the way that the Claremont Serial Killer has imitated previous Perth Serial Killers.

http://blogs.theaustralian.news.com...an/comments/uk_link_in_wa_serial_murders/desc

 

[Parkie]

great work parkie. a cunning plan indeed.[/QUOTE] Who is that Billywhizz? Not me cause my nose isn`t that narrow. That looks like a witches,lol

 

[CSK?]

Well thank you Parkie for posting a truthful post for once, not filled with cryptic sentences and sneaky innuendos. Your method may not have been the most moral attempt at a solution to this puzzle but I can definitely see the thought process behind it.

 

[Peter Kurten]

Yes it is William McNamara, and yes it was me. You're very perceptive.

If you assume that the killer was in his mid to late 20s during the crimes, then he would have been an early teen during the Birnie murders. This may or may not have had an influence in his decision to target that particular area, as well as dump the bodies in the places that he did far from town.

You'll also note that I mentioned the film Copycat before the release of the MM footage. I believe Peter Kurtin AKA Peter Foley looks uncannily like MM in this shot. Perhaps this was an influence also?

My main focus at the moment is mystery man. I would give anything just to hear those words that he said to Jane.

I believe it is a key to this case.

 

[Laymaker]

Posters who think the CSK knew the women or went into the clubs... Please explain this part of your theory. I've posted several times why I believe the opposite and those posts have been left unchallenged, yet we continue to hear about Mystery Man and Judoman...

 

[elastic]

Posters who think the CSK knew the women or went into the clubs... Please explain this part of your theory. I've posted several times why I believe the opposite and those posts have been left unchallenged, yet we continue to hear about Mystery Man and Judoman...

I think exactly the same, that the victims were unfortunately chosen at random by being unlucky enough to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. I think the perpetrator waited for them outside the vehicle hidden from sight before performing a violent blitz attack on the victims, possibly tying them up outside the vehicle (Similar to Karrakatta), or tying them up inside the vehicle. I honestly think he used the washing line technique binding his victims outside the vehicle.

I think he would have strangled them until they passed out which would make it hard to hear any screams, or used a choke hold before binding the victims and killing them.

If there is a connection to MM then I am sure he didn't have anything to do with the club, but pacing the streets looking out for potential victims.

Judoman could possibly have been waiting on the street, the Judoman angle doesn't need to involve the guy inside the club, it could just be a massive coincidence 2 of his victims were people he knew.

 

[CSK?]

When it comes to serial killings it is very rare for the killer to know his victims beforehand, they are generally a planned opportunistic murder so odds are that these girls did not know the person responsible. If MM was of any significance I'd like to think that the police would have released that cctv footage of him a lot earlier than they did. But in saying this, there is always a chance that they did know the killer and that MM has something to do with it, just IMO it is unlikely.

 

[Peter Kurten]

Laymaker,

I believe none of the women knew the killer, but I believe ONLY Jane Rimmer had SEENthe killer once before (just enough to recognize him only after a prompt). I believe all of the other women were taken opportunistically on his way home. The spatial and directional patterns of the crimes point towards the offender living in Mosman Park or Cottesloe, assuming he abducted the girls on the way home. I also believe the offender drove past the Claremont Hotel in a westbound direction and spotted/recognized Jane against the pole. I believe he then parked up in the Coles car park and walked back and pretended to bump into her. The reason I think this is:

- At that time of night, there would have been NO REASON AT ALL for someone, especially by themselves, to walk from that direction coming from western Gugeri street. There was literally nothing down there. It's suspicious by anyone's standards.

(modsnip)

 

[Parkie]

great work parkie. a cunning plan indeed.[/QUOTE]

This looks just like me Billy tbh, but my nose isn`t that narrow & pointed & my hair is quite short now but unlike Judoman I still have a good stock of hair. And I do wear a bush hat from time to time, chainsawing firewood in Parkie.

 

[Frankie1972]

I am absolutely shocked! that is quite incredible! So you believe the Police have misrepresented the witness statements and released a evidence to the media that doesn't align with any of the real facts in the case. It would not surprise me one bit if it were true. That is absolutely ridiculous if found to be correct.

The Police believe your mate saw CG lean towards the vehicle, implying she stopped and spoke with the vehicle occupants. You are saying your friend only saw the back tail lights creeping towards her direction as she walked passed the vehicle in the distance. You have also said the vehicle did not drive passed you and your group and you noticed all 4 cars, none being the white Commodore Station wagon. That means the vehicle was somehow parked up in the distance? That seems odd? or did it pull out from a driveway?

If WAPOL have completely misinterpreted the witness testimonies and after the 50 million different detectives have had there go trying to work the case I do wonder if any of them ever went back to the original source and verified the witness statements still being used in 2016, or back then in 2008 when the CIA documentary was released.

This case is a shambles. Lets hope Frankie is genuine and he isnt making this up because if he is genuine WAPOL have again disgraced themselves in the case, and CG could quite easily have been abducted further down the road, or after the vehicle had passed her.

Why did WAPOL try and imply early in the investigation that the victims were picked up from a TAXI, or someone who knew the victims, or some type of trust worthy vehicle ( with the exception being a Police car of course which they ruled out very early), Did this evidence just try and fit in with that theory? Or was it fabricated to help convict Lance Williams who was known to stop and talk to his would be passengers before they entered the vehicle? I do wonder during that corrupt Police era whether this was fabricated to help push the Lance Williams angle...

What a shame this investigation just seems so tainted with incompetence, I hav always how much evidence they had that could have been released that would have helped the public narrow down a potential POI/Suspect and maybe a conviction that has been blown by total Police secrecy for no real reason. Why did they declare 'serial killer' before the last victim was taken? They didn't know of Karrakatta being linked at that stage, and if they did does that mean she should have been 'dead' not just 'left for dead'? Hence why they thought they had a 'serial killer' at hand?

The case really does seem like a complete miss-opportunity given WAPOL's woeful record solving major crimes and missing person cases around the state, it could have been a real opportunity to highlight just how far they had evolved, instead the whole thing has been wasted and squandered with corruption, secrecy and incompetence. The reviews have been farcical and no where near independent, and they narrowed their focus first towards taxi's and Mayors and then to Lonely men obsessed with handjobs, this with the help of our most incompetent corrupt detective Caporn, who gets given a nice cushy job for being the epitome of ineptness.

Maybe they should just throw everything out there, at this point you could hardly think there is anything to lose...

I have been watching documentaries on Claremont and all of them talking about CG stopping and talking to someone in a car.
I think Marco needs to talk to the witnesses again.

 

[Bartholemeus]

I have been watching documentaries on Claremont and all of them talking about CG stopping and talking to someone in a car.
I think Marco needs to talk to the witnesses again.

So you were there on the night at the bus stop, were interviewed by Macro multiple times, but had no interest in watching the 2008 CIA doco until now. You had a dream that LW was the CSK way before his name and face was released to the media. Sounds true I guess.

I think you are obligated to contact them and tell them that maybe between them interviewing you and the 2008 doco that the information seems to have changed. I'm sure everyone here would want to know what they say.