GUILTY Australia - Jill Meagher, 29, Melbourne, 22 Sep 2012 #1

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Sleuthilicious said:
I think the media used those terms to describe something to sound sinister. Misleading in that it creates a sense of TM being 'escorted' rather than helpful.

Does that make sense?

IMO
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Oh, sorry... I wasn't questioning your observation that it was misleading...

I was questioning the way the reporter described it!

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Tishy said:
The esky may have something in it that needs to be kept cold, as opposed to being used to remove something that needs to be kept cold, maybe?
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Like what please, not in my lexicon of this area of forensic homicide knowledge?
 
The timeline appears to be critical. Some one did one before. Has it been updated?

I'm presuming that the big question here is that we don't actually know when Jill went missing. Did she actually go home? Find her husband wasn't there and go looking for him, thinking perhaps that she was "in trouble" because she'd stayed out too late?

MOO
 
Rudra said:
The timeline appears to be critical. Some one did one before. Has it been updated?

I'm presuming that the big question here is that we don't actually know when Jill went missing. Did she actually go home? Find her husband wasn't there and go looking for him, thinking perhaps that she was "in trouble" because she'd stayed out too late?

MOO
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Yes i agree the timeline is crucial but v. perplexing.

We know for sure she left Bar Ettiquette at 1.30am and was seen on CCTV walking north on Sydney Road at 1.41am.

Next is the phone conversation with voices in the background but there are conflicting reports about whether that took place at 1.45am or 2am. Immediately after the phone conversation she stopped answering her phone. This is also around the same time TM is reported to have started phoning her (2am).
 
Things about this disappearance doesn't add up for me. It leaves me with many questions. I find the whole thing odd.

From the video of the husband, it's posted on youtube on the ABC News stream, Sun 23rd Sept. The husband says that the police are doing a scan of Hope Street, yet they don't find the handbag until Monday morning. Strange!

At the 3 min mark he replies to the questioning of "the midlife crisis" with... "She's really happy here in Melbourne, we were discussing that like the day before she left. She left, or whatever happened." Now that strikes me as odd.

I take it that she went out with only a credit card and phone. No purse, no handbag. No ID!! His words exactly are... "that was the only thing that was with her, that and her phone, she left her purse at home". Now we can get into the semantics of what we all call a purse, wallet or handbag. They can be different to what others call a purse, wallet or handbag. But, when someone says all they had with them is a credit card and phone, that pretty much means the same thing no matter what country you're from. Agreed??

Do we know if she went home first before going out with work collegues? I ask this because if this is a straight after work "outing" I find it strange that she wouldn't have a handbag with her, and only a credit card and phone. So, I am assuming she went home, perhaps changed out of her work clothes, and then went out. Thus only taking the credit card and phone. Strange that then her handbag turns up found in an alleyway??

Link to ABC News video of Tom Meagher interview... Husband holds hope missing wife Jill Meagher will be found - YouTube

I already have my theory of what has happened to her, and the motive behind it. But I won't post it, as it will probably be edited out. So, I will just bite my tongue for now.

I agree that they should probably be looking for her remains at the dump. As we know from Allison Baden Clay's disappearance, is that there is the hot zone that they look for a missing person. Anyone that lives or works in that area would more than likely know when the industrial bins are picked up, by the noise that they and the truck makes, when they are being emptied. And if they used that to dump the body, then she is no longer in the hot zone.
 
somanto said:
Yes i agree the timeline is crucial but v. perplexing.

We know for sure she left Bar Ettiquette at 1.30am and was seen on CCTV walking north on Sydney Road at 1.41am.

Next is the phone conversation with voices in the background but there are conflicting reports about whether that took place at 1.45am or 2am. Immediately after the phone conversation she stopped answering her phone. This is also around the same time TM is reported to have started phoning her (2am).
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Yes.... And as someone said earlier. What a coincidence that her phone went to message bank presumably straight after phoning her brother and then she has not been seen since! And what stopped the phone call to her brother.... Did she hang up? Why was he phoning back?
 
more on the events of that night:

A clearer picture of Ms Meagher's movements on Friday night has begun to emerge.

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She was at a party at the Fad Gallery in the city centre for a colleague's birthday that evening.

Ms Meagher left at around 11pm to take a taxi with a number of friends to the Brunswick Green bar.

After staying for a short time at the bar -- where she is a regular -- she took the short journey up the road to Bar Etiquette, where she was last seen.

Yesterday Mike Nicholas, a manager of the bar, told the Irish Independent that he did not recognise the name when police called to the bar.

"Actually they had to show me a picture and no one in the bar really recognised her," he said.

Ms Meagher, who previously worked at RTE, left the bar at around 1.30am following last drinks. Her ABC Radio colleague Tom Wright was the last person to see her and had offered to walk her home -- an offer that she declined.

At some point around that time, Ms Meagher made a phone call to her brother Michael McKeon (26) and asked him about her father George. He had recently had a stroke.

When Mr McKeon tried to call her back a short time later, the phone went straight to voicemail.

Her mother has said that there were a number of people around her at the time she called Michael.

Yesterday Kevin Meagher, Tom's father, told the Irish Independent that he did not wish to comment.

"We can't talk to anyone right now, thank you," he said at the family home in Cabinteely, Co Dublin.

When Ms Meagher's bag was discovered near a car in a laneway on Hope Street at around 6.30am on Monday, it did not contain her mobile phone.
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http://www.independent.ie/national-...y-have-been-planted-in-a-laneway-3240507.html
 
Whilst I can see some similarities with the Baden-Clay situation, I also think the differences are huge.

Very quickly during the BC case there were stories circulating of violence, marital problems, financial problems, mistresses etc. then there was GBC's unwillingness to help. Throw in a completely ludicrous story with 4 differing versions...

Apart from perhaps some differing reporting between reporters, this story remains pretty consistent. She was out, she did begin walking home, she spoke with her brother etc. there's more than one witness to the events of the evening. Also, there is greater opportunity for a random incident.

These are all just my rambling thoughts..
 
Berry said:
Like what please, not in my lexicon of this area of forensic homicide knowledge?
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Nor mine, Berry, just thinking generally that things can be taken 'in' equally as they can be taken 'out' IYKWIM

MOOOOOO
 
I don't find it odd that she rang her brother on the way home at that time. I see people walking down the street all the time with their mobile phones glued to their ear. I can imagine that she was walking home and suddenly thought "*advertiser censored*, I promised to ring my brother and see how dad was." She does a quick calculation of the time difference in her head, thinks her brother would be still up and calls him. She reinforces the fact to her brother that she is worried about Dad and then the battery runs out.

The background noises are from other people in the street, or places that are still open. It's around 1:47 and she is quite close to home.

MOO
 
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