GUILTY Australia - Jill Meagher, 29, Melbourne, 22 Sep 2012 #6

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marlywings said:
September 20, 2013

A year after Jill Meagher's death, police say street crime in the inner north is down and relations with the community are stronger, with a senior officer backing a street march to mark the anniversary of one of the most shocking crimes in the city's recent history.

"I think the innocence of everyone within Moreland was shattered a year ago and we will live with that for a very long time,” said local area commander Inspector Dean McGowan.

“We play a very big role in trying to protect the community [but] it just reminds us that we're only human as well.”

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/s...ghers-death-20130920-2u4nr.html#ixzz2fQzErd56
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From the ABC today..

Victoria Police has admitted up to 500 officers a day are taken off the beat to manage overcrowding in police prison cells.
http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2013-...-the-beat-to-manage-police-cell-overc/4979920
 
http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/...ntence-one-year-after-murdering-jill-meagher/

Adrian Bayley appeals against sentence, one year after murdering Jill Meagher
by court reporter Sarah Farnsworth, ABC, September 26, 2013, 4:14 am.
Lawyers for serial sex attacker and murderer Adrian Ernest Bayley will return to court today in a bid to reduce his 35-year minimum sentence for the rape and murder of Jill Meagher.The appeal comes just days after the anniversary of the killing of the 29-year-old ABC staffer in a Melbourne laneway.
A couple of question: It is time we lodge our objection to this use of our public taxpayer dollars?
Where are the ethics of the Lawyers? This appeal by the convicted rapist & murderer was lodged near the anniversary of Jill Meagher's death.
 
Twitter feed from the same reporter...

Kate Osborn (@_kate_osborn)
26/09/13 12:12 PM

Submissions in #Bayley appeal have concluded. Judges have left the bench for a short while. It may mean we'll get a decision today.

26/09/13 11:52 AM
Adrian #Bayley's lawyer argues a minimum sentence between 28-32 years for #JillMeagher's murder, rather than 35 yrs. Accepts life as maximum

26/09/13 11:46 AM
Raw emotion of #JillMeagher murder is in stark contrast to the measured legal argument in Court of Appeal. Incredibly complex case. #Bayley

26/09/13 11:34 AM
#Bayley's lawyer is challenging judge's assessment of 'seriousness' of Jill Meagher's murder. Wrong to say he found 'pleasure' in killing.

26/09/13 11:07 AM
One judge doesn't buy defence argument that community protection isn't relevant in setting minimum terms. "That simply can't be correct."

26/09/13 11:05 AM
Lawyer says 35-yr minimum for Adrian #Bayley placed too much emphasis on community protection. Life sentence as max. covered that element.
 
Court throws out Adrian #Bayley's bid to cut his minimum 35 yo jail term for the rape and murder of Jill Meagher @abcnews

Sarah Farnsworth (@sfarnsworthmelb)
26/09/13 12:24 PM
 
Fuskier, jumping off your post in regards to your questions..

It is time we lodge our objection to this use of our public taxpayer dollars?
MY THOUGHT. Is funding for legal aid through State or Federal funding? The Indigenous legal funds for legal representation has been drastically cut recently. There are cuts being made.

Issues never become a problem until there is an election. If I have to read one more 'illegal boat' report on my Twitter, I will not be surprised if that is a Federal Gov problem.

Do we lobby through State or Federal?

Where are the ethics of the Lawyers?

MY THOUGHT.. People may join this profession because 1. They are comfortable with verbal debates and believe they are smarter than anyone else. 2. They can talk till the day is long about why they are right. 3. They earn a lot, charged by the minute. They click on an email. Easy 50 dollars just to click. Reading such a document is extra.

Ethics would be low because to get to the top you have to represent ALL sorts. At the end of the day, it's a job. I think it must wear you down to numbness. In research newly released, the compassion of a medical student decreases every year they study.

This appeal by the convicted rapist & murderer was lodged near the anniversary of Jill Meagher's death.

MY THOUGHT
I thought I posted this up the thread but it may have been on the Sica thread. They have to lodge an appeal within a certain amount of time. I think it is 28 days. The court, as they should, determines when the have allocated court for 3 judges. AB didn't get to pick any date.

Just My opinion.

Moo

I don't discredit all in the legal profession or anyone in the medical profession.

Moo
 
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/la...g-killer-appeals/story-fni0ffnk-1226727896666
Legal aid faces grilling over funding killer appealsby Stephen Drill, Heraldsun, September 26, 2013.

Tom Meagher, Jill's husband, slammed Adrian Ernest Bayley’s appeal against his 35-year non-parole term for the conviction of rape & murder of his young wife a “waste of public money’’.

Attorney-General Robert Clark has issued the authority a “please explain” after it bankrolled the failed bid.

...and we're right behind you Tom. Good on you Attorney General. About time serious questions were asked IMHO. Bayley obtained a SC (QC) funded by us taxpayers! A please explain is in order from the public's perspective as well Sir.
 
Good. I'm glad they rejected his appeal. He'll try to kill himself now.
 
Also, can't help wondering if the QC will regret having this failed bid by Bayley, and the fact that he represented him, on his CV. He may come to regret that in the future.

I wonder if things like that actually do have any effect on their ability to get cases in the future?

The same thoughts apply to Peter Davis SC, who represented Gerard Baden-Clay as defending counsel in the failed bids to get bail and avoid going to trial, but he is also the prosecuting counsel in the Crown vs Jayant Patel. He lost the first case badly, and now he's going again - and I suspect he'll lose this one too. Surely that can't look too good on HIS CV in the future?

Ali - do cases lost, from either side, especially when high profile and/or a series of losses, actually affect a barrister's reputation and ability to get cases? I know that a surgeon with a bad reputation for having a high mortality rate tends to get sidelined. Not always, but often. Does the same apply to barristers?
 
I actually hope he doesn't. I'm fine with the thought of him sitting alone for 35 years, stewing about it. His only remorse is for the fact he was caught. He only feels sorry for himself. It's a miserable existence and I hope he survives knowing that he is reviled and hated, and that every time an inmate looks at go sideways he feels some of the same kind of fear he inflicted on Jill.
 
Fuskier said:
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/la...g-killer-appeals/story-fni0ffnk-1226727896666
Legal aid faces grilling over funding killer appealsby Stephen Drill, Heraldsun, September 26, 2013.

Tom Meagher, Jill's husband, slammed Adrian Ernest Bayley’s appeal against his 35-year non-parole term for the conviction of rape & murder of his young wife a “waste of public money’’.

Attorney-General Robert Clark has issued the authority a “please explain” after it bankrolled the failed bid.

...and we're right behind you Tom. Good on you Attorney General. About time serious questions were asked IMHO. Bayley obtained a SC (QC) funded by us taxpayers! A please explain is in order from the public's perspective as well Sir.
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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/la...nk-after-outcry/story-fni0ffnk-1226728832369#
LEGAL AID RETHINK AFTER OUTCRY
VICTORIA Legal Aid will re-examine its decision to fund murderer Adrian Bayley’s sentence appeal, the Napthine Government says.
 
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-29/thousands-march-to-remember-jill-meagher/4987756
Jill Meagher Remembered As Thousands March Down Sydney Road in Melbourne
Mon 30 Sep 2013. Thousands of people have marched...and were joined today by Victorian Premier, Denis Napthine, who said it is important people continue speak out against such crimes. "We're all devastated and affected by the tragic murder of Jill Meagher, and our hearts go out to her husband Tom and her family," he said. "I think there was a spontaneous feeling right across Melbourne and Victoria that we need to take a stand...against violence against women and violence in our society."
 
DrWatson said:
Also, can't help wondering if the QC will regret having this failed bid by Bayley, and the fact that he represented him, on his CV. He may come to regret that in the future.

I wonder if things like that actually do have any effect on their ability to get cases in the future?

The same thoughts apply to Peter Davis SC, who represented Gerard Baden-Clay as defending counsel in the failed bids to get bail and avoid going to trial, but he is also the prosecuting counsel in the Crown vs Jayant Patel. He lost the first case badly, and now he's going again - and I suspect he'll lose this one too. Surely that can't look too good on HIS CV in the future?

Ali - do cases lost, from either side, especially when high profile and/or a series of losses, actually affect a barrister's reputation and ability to get cases? I know that a surgeon with a bad reputation for having a high mortality rate tends to get sidelined. Not always, but often. Does the same apply to barristers?
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Doc, good question. All barristers lose cases just like all doctors will have patients die. But it's not usually the fault of the barrister or doctor, it's just the outcome of the circumstances. So unless there is a perception that the barrister is consistently losing cases that a different barrister may have won, then I don't think it reflects badly on the barrister personally. Re Peter Davis and the Patel case, no matter which prosecutor there is, when you have medical specialists give evidence that support Dr Patels decision to operate when the prosecution say he should not have, it is very hard for a jury to find beyond reasonable doubt that he should not have operated.
 
alioop said:
Doc, good question. All barristers lose cases just like all doctors will have patients die. But it's not usually the fault of the barrister or doctor, it's just the outcome of the circumstances. So unless there is a perception that the barrister is consistently losing cases that a different barrister may have won, then I don't think it reflects badly on the barrister personally. Re Peter Davis and the Patel case, no matter which prosecutor there is, when you have medical specialists give evidence that support Dr Patels decision to operate when the prosecution say he should not have, it is very hard for a jury to find beyond reasonable doubt that he should not have operated.
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Thanks Ali. Yes, I suppose the irony is having lawyers who lose high profile cases prosecuting a surgeon who has had a few bad outcomes.... ;)

And although this is drifting off topic, the more I've heard about this latest case (I already knew a fair bit about it before it was in the MSM), the more I have to question the pig-headedness of the DPP in pursuing Patel, who had every reason to do what is known as a completion colectomy - the patient had already had two major portions of that colon removed - for cancer. You generally don't take chances with tumours that recur - even if subsequent pathology shows them to be benign but pre-malignant as in this case.

Sorry to drift off topic, but I'm astounded that they're pursuing him - I suspect it is to appease the public outcry and general hysteria that was whipped up by the media and the "patient support group", none of which have any idea of the medical context of those decisions that were made. There was a distinct lack of insight on Patel's behalf, for sure, and there was a significant personality clash between him and some of the nursing staff. That is where it all started.
 
The Victorian Parole Board does it again...!

http://www.skynews.com.au/topstories/article.aspx?id=912762&vId=4178856&cId=Top%20Stories

Killer on the run from Victorian police
Updated: 12:45, Monday October 7, 2013

A convicted killer who beat to death a disabled pensioner is on the run from Victorian police after breaching his parole.

Wayne Leslie Norris has not been seen since he breached parole on August 22, News Corp Australia reports.

Norris has 50 prior offences and was convicted of killing disabled man Lee Bridge.

He was serving a suspended sentence and skipped bail when the killing took place in Warragul in 2005.

He served six years for the crime but was released on parole.

His other convictions include armed robbery and aggravated burglary.

Victoria Police spokeswoman Melissa Search confirmed that Norris had breached the conditions of his parole and that the parole board would handle the matter.

BBM
 
DrWatson said:
The Victorian Parole Board does it again...!

http://www.skynews.com.au/topstories/article.aspx?id=912762&vId=4178856&cId=Top%20Stories

Killer on the run from Victorian police
Updated: 12:45, Monday October 7, 2013

A convicted killer who beat to death a disabled pensioner is on the run from Victorian police after breaching his parole.
Wayne Leslie Norris has not been seen since he breached parole on August 22, News Corp Australia reports.
Norris has 50 prior offences and was convicted of killing disabled man Lee Bridge.

He was serving a suspended sentence and skipped bail when the killing took place in Warragul in 2005.
He served six years for the crime but was released on parole.
His other convictions include armed robbery and aggravated burglary.

Victoria Police spokeswoman Melissa Search confirmed that Norris had breached the conditions of his parole and that the parole board would handle the matter.

BBM
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http://www.news.com.au/national-new...ne-leslie-norris/story-fnii5sms-1226741557763

Police Arrest Dangerous Killer Wayne Leslie Norris,
by Jon Kaila, Herald Sun, October 17, 2013

CAPTURED

CONVICTED killer Wayne Leslie Norris who was on the run from police has been arrested by Fugitive Taskforce this morning. Detectives thanked the community for their help in searching for Norris.

Norris - who has also been convicted of armed robbery and aggravated burglary, served a minimum of 6½ years for the murder of Mr. Bridge before being released on parole in June 2013. He breached parole on August 22, 2013 and had not been seen since.

Notorious Norris was granted bail in 2005 despite facing charges of theft, intentionally causing injury and ¬aggravated burglary - which carries a maximum sentence of 25 years in prison. He had skipped bail and was also serving a suspended sentence at the time he killed Mr. Bridge in 2005. He tied up and killed Mr Bridge, who was half-paralysed and epileptic, as he slept in his bed. The force of the attack was so severe, pathologists compared Mr Bridge's injuries with those of a car crash victim.

More serious questions facing the Victorian Parole Board's decision making IMO. Well done Victoria Police Fugitive Taskforce.
 
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