Found Deceased Australia - Karen Ristevski, 47, Melbourne, Vic, 29 June 2016 - #16 *Arrest*

[SouthAussie]

I wonder who would be the most likely ‘suspect’?

I'm thinking a friend of Sarah's maybe? I think that she has some IT oriented friends.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

A house of secrets and lies, ending in murder. Not a simple case of domestic violence MOO

Hopefully prosecution will not need to sort out all the secrets to convict the murderer. I would be happy to have that, without knowing all the answers.

I admit: I would like to know some little answers .... Always interesting, how others live their lives.

 

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#BREAKING A trial date has just been set for murder-accused Borce Ristevski. It'll begin on March 12 and is expected to run for 4-5 weeks. #KIISnews

Can someone please take care of my age? In march I could be dead! This waiting for trials!

 

[tmar]

All of MSM is now publishing about the murder trial date. Check out today's pic of Borce in this link. He has aged a bit, that's for sure.
Well deserved, because poor Karen is unable to age another second.

Next directions hearing in 4 months time.



Mr Ristevski appeared in the dock in a black suit and white open-necked shirt. He shared a brief smile with his defence lawyers before the hearing began.

The court heard on Monday that the trial was estimated to last between four and five weeks.

"This is a matter where there is a large amount of material to go through," said defence lawyer David Hallowes.

Another directions hearing is due to be held in the Supreme Court on December 12 this year.

Borce Ristevski murder trial to begin at Supreme Court in March

Mistake even by The Age: perhaps we need to 'proof' read their work.
Tom Cowie
6 August 2018 — 10:43am

Prosecutors allege Mr Ristevski intended to kill his 54-year-old wife on the morning of June 29, 2016, and then drove her body in her black Mercedes-Benz to Mount Macedon Regional Park, where her remains were found eight months after her disappearance.

 

[Jennifer17]

Can someone please take care of my age? In march I could be dead! This waiting for trials!

Me, too IG!

 

[tmar]

Damn I hope he doesn't some how get bail, I'm not looking forward to moving to North Korea.

Well, if you have internet access, From Germany may join you, so don't worry.
You can follow Websleuths and keep away from.......

 

[Jennifer17]

I'm thinking a friend of Sarah's maybe? I think that she has some IT oriented friends.

Any one of those almost idiot savant like young men could do that. I used to have a tenant who could hardly look after himself and was kept by his parents (financially) who was online all day, every day. He wanted to email me something because his printer was not working, so that I could print it for him. I told him that I had run out of data credit and could not print it for another day and he was amazed that I paid for Internet access.
He wanted to show me how not to pay. I declined that invitation and then he said that he could fix my phone so I could not be tracked. He did not work in IT.
I am not sure that he had ever worked anywhere. Their are lots out there like him, I think.

 

[Via Marple]

I admit: I would like to know some little answers .... Always interesting, how others live their lives.

I wear a bracelet that says "only truth will set you free".

However I don't need to know all the truth out there. Justice is more important. I don't have time for everything!

Feel free to discuss... This case will have more than 6 months of relative inaction

 

[Via Marple]

I realise that this is not the current topic of conversation, but the info in this new article made me wonder ...... who the heck was helping Borce try to get around identifying info found on his phone. The Maps feature that can track your every move if your location services are on is not something your average Joe would understand.

I reckon he must have spoken with someone to help him out with such a thing.
Who do they know with enough IT savvy to understand the programs that run in the background on mobile devices?

'how to delete and disable your Google history?', 'where to find map that shows Google is tracking your location', 'find location history in Google Maps on iPhone' and 'Apple Maps timeline Google search'
Murder-accused Borce Ristevski won't stand trial until 2019

It is possible that BR had talked to people about this topic, possibly pretending to learn a thing or two, at places like the bar in Bangkok. He definitely knew he should switch off his phone on the day.

But the words used in the quoted searches IMO are not very technical, not by someone too technically savvy.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

No, it just came to me. Maybe Karen was kicking him out, and they got into a big argument over it.

And Borce in a bed sitter in St Kilda... I just cant see it, and it's difficult to imagine Borce at ease there.. he's a western suburbs man thru and thru

 

[purpleandgreen]

It's a play on words.
Um....
Bends?

And a very clever one, TGY. Once again you crack me up.

 

[sosocurious]

Sarah on the stand said her father was “always the calm one”.
The defences hypotheses will be?


The court heard the prosecution is relying heavily on alleged post-offence conduct.......

During a two-week committal hearing last month, a secretly recorded discussion between murder-accused and his daughter, Sarah, was played in court, revealing she thought his story "didn't make sense" after her mum went missing.

Prosecutor Matt Fisher told the court Mrs Ristevski's death "isn't an accidental killing", and that there is enough evidence for a jury to convict the father of murder.

Murder-accused Borce Ristevski won't stand trial until 2019

Just reading about Baden Clay - there was no direct evidence, just plenty of circumstantial.

Borce eventually admitted to driving Karen's car on route from the home toward Mt Macedon and there are at least two direct witness that saw the car on route and a series of cctv depicting that journey.

"Reaching a guilty verdict is easier if there is direct evidence but that can often depend on the credibility of a witness and a witness is only as good as their credibility.
"The defence will want to discredit a direct witness and if they do so they can be seen as unreliable and can affect the entire case."

The circumstantial evidence is factual and the ability of the prosecution to construct a scenario where all those facts incriminate one suspect makes a case like this difficult to defend.........

"When circumstantial facts get put into play and the prosecution starts narrowing the likelihood of other possible outcomes they start limiting the hypotheses of the defence.

"The question often is 'what else could have possibly happened?', and that's what the jury has to debate.

Why the circumstantial case against Baden-Clay proved so powerful

 

[Edgarb]

edited by me for clarity.

It is possible the discord had become that bad.

Sarah not saying anything to Aunt P could be part of Sarah's process, after all, Sarah went to a great deal of kerfuffle to make out in court that everything at home was peachy pie and tutti frutti, no one ever argued, and if they did, it was Mum that started it and Dad that calmed everyone down, great guy that he is, that the business was fine, when it was dead but not lying down out of fury, that every thing in the garden was rosy, and Mum left the house all the time in her bare feet to walk the dubious streets of Avondale, just for the heck of it..

puleeease…..

Trooper.....but, but, but that's the t....tt...ttt....truth you know.....in a land far, far away where the stone grey walls so tall make you feel so very small, where the time passes so very slow.... Well said Trooper.

 

[they'll get you]

ooo a nice long hot hideous summer in remand, I hope. If Borce gets bail , I'll... I'll...…...

When would we find out about the bail? He could be out lollipopping as we speak.

 

[they'll get you]

ooo a nice long hot hideous summer in remand, I hope. If Borce gets bail , I'll... I'll...…...

That’d be classed as a holiday for me he’s got it better than us stupid taxpayers. 3 round meals a day, clean sheets supplied & nice air conditioned comfy room everything free of charge.
There a gaol not far from me which is classed as a 5 star hotel.

 

[they'll get you]

I wonder who would be the most likely ‘suspect’?

I guarantee you it wouldn’t be that brain child Ant.

 

[they'll get you]

I think it’s pretty simple

 

[SouthAussie]

Think that a secure password and erasing your phone's memory will protect sensitive information on your smartphone? Think again.

Smartphone forensics experts can retrieve just about anything from any phone.

.... wiping a phone doesn't always mean you can't get the data," said Courtney Lancaster, forensic analyst with secure communications solutions company TeleCommunication Systems (TSYS)

Forensic analysts have dozens of tools that allow them to access many layers of data on a device.

How police can find your deleted text messages

 

[SouthAussie]

There is also a very technical article here about researching deleted info on various smartphones.

A relevant part of the conclusion .....


An immense amount of potential digital evidence related to the examined applications were discovered during this research (summarized in Table 5 and Table 6). This data could hold great evidentiary value during different types of investigations. The timestamps combined with the current locations in Waze can place users in certain vicinities at certain times thereby corroborating a story or an alibi. Knowing the route that a user had taken (data from the Scout application) can be used to locate evidence the suspect may have dropped along a route or locate cameras that may be used to track a suspect.

Find Me If You Can: Mobile GPS Mapping Applications Forensic Analysis ...
Journal of Digital Forensics, Security and Law
https://commons.erau.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1414&context=jdfsl

 

[SouthAussie]

When would we find out about the bail? He could be out lollipopping as we speak.

In other cases, the petition to the Court for bail has been a separate and specific hearing. The result was publicised by MSM afterwards.