GUILTY Australia - Kiesha Weippeart, 6, Mount Druitt, NSW, 18 July 2010 - #1

[Crosby87]

"Still one question that goes unanswered is why investigators could find no trace of Kiesha's clothing inside the family home."

The fact all of Kiesha's clothing is gone supports the theory her parents sold her.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/welfare-agencies-had-fears-for-missing-child-20100803-115g3.html

 

[butwhatif?]

From the beginning, Chris was pretty convinced that Kiesha would not be found alive....I'm still wondering why he thought that was the case. There had to be a reason for him to believe that.

He, and his mum claim that are being kept out of the loop with the investigation, but are begging for the police and searchers to continue so that they will have their answers.
IMO, That's a good sign on their part. They were also the ones who publicy thanked the police and searchers for their efforts in finding Kiesha.

But we don't seem to be hearing the same from Rob and Kristi. Why aren't they begging for the search to continue instead of hiding away
and keeping their lips sealed? :banghead:

 

[butwhatif?]

"Still one question that goes unanswered is why investigators could find no trace of Kiesha's clothing inside the family home."

The fact all of Kiesha's clothing is gone supports the theory her parents sold her.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/welfare-agencies-had-fears-for-missing-child-20100803-115g3.html

I'm pretty sure that 'rumour' was debunked by police earlier. It's somewhere in this thread, but I gotta go out in a minute, so I haven't got time to find it.

If you don't find it, I'll search for it when I get back.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

"Still one question that goes unanswered is why investigators could find no trace of Kiesha's clothing inside the family home."

The fact all of Kiesha's clothing is gone supports the theory her parents sold her.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/welfare-agencies-had-fears-for-missing-child-20100803-115g3.html

Sorry to contradict you, but at the bottom of the above quoted article police deny that none of her clothes were found at the home.

"Police denied reports that an investigation at the family's home had failed to find any clothing belonging to the child."

 

[Mrs G Norris]

From the beginning, Chris was pretty convinced that Kiesha would not be found alive....I'm still wondering why he thought that was the case. There had to be a reason for him to believe that.

He, and his mum claim that are being kept out of the loop with the investigation, but are begging for the police and searchers to continue so that they will have their answers.
IMO, That's a good sign on their part. They were also the ones who publicy thanked the police and searchers for their efforts in finding Kiesha.

But we don't seem to be hearing the same from Rob and Kristi. Why aren't they begging for the search to continue instead of hiding away
and keeping their lips sealed? :banghead:

Don't you think its just a natural reaction for a parent of a missing child to believe their child is alive until proven otherwise? I really think this is just his own hope that she will be ok...JMO

 

[Crosby87]

Sorry to contradict you, but at the bottom of the above quoted article police deny that none of her clothes were found at the home.

"Police denied reports that an investigation at the family's home had failed to find any clothing belonging to the child."

Are investigators and Police both working on this case and the investigators and saying one thing and the Police another? Shouldn't the investigators have been the ones to state they made a mistake when they reported her clothes missing from her home?

 

[MsFacetious]

Does anyone know if Kristi's other (after Aiden) 3 births were c-sections?
TIA

SBM

No I do not know for sure. (I thought there might have been something about her most recent birth but I can't find it.) However, I can tell you this from when my friend in Australia had her baby.

Here are some statistics only.

Only about 17% of women who have a baby in Australia after a c-section, have a VBAC and many have complications due to the birthing system in Australia. 83% simply have a repeat c-section.

If she did have a 2nd c-section with Kiesha, there is only 1 private hospital in Australia (as of early 2009) that will allow you to attempt a VBAC after 2 c-sections.

There are not a lot of VBAC programs or support in Australia. Women will often simply go with the doctor's recommendation which much of the time is going to be a repeat c-section.

Only a mother who fights for a VBAC is going to have one in most situations. If you are easily swayed you will likely be talked out of it. Some doctors will say that they won't deliver you and that you need to switch doctor's in the middle of a pregnancy.

Does Kristi strike you as the type to fight for a VBAC? :waitasec:

Here is a link....like I said, I am ONLY answering the question, NOT starting a debate. (I have no opinion on the subject.)

http://www.canaustralia.net/?q=node/17

I have no idea what Kristi did personally. But I think statistically the odds are slim she would have had a VBAC, even if she DID want one because I doubt she would have fought for it. :twocents:

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Are investigators and Police both working on this case and the investigators and saying one thing and the Police another? Shouldn't the investigators have been the ones to state they made a mistake when they reported her clothes missing from her home?

I think that statement is about the investigation by police as reported by the media.

 

[Crosby87]

From the beginning, Chris was pretty convinced that Kiesha would not be found alive....I'm still wondering why he thought that was the case. There had to be a reason for him to believe that.

He, and his mum claim that are being kept out of the loop with the investigation, but are begging for the police and searchers to continue so that they will have their answers.
IMO, That's a good sign on their part. They were also the ones who publicy thanked the police and searchers for their efforts in finding Kiesha.

But we don't seem to be hearing the same from Rob and Kristi. Why aren't they begging for the search to continue instead of hiding away
and keeping their lips sealed? :banghead:

I now suspect the police are hiding what they discovered about the money that was deposited into K&R's account. I believe the reason Chris fears his daughter won't be found alive is because he believes Kristi murdered his son and he saw Kristi harm Keisha so he doesn't trust her. Although the coroner said Aiden died of natural causes, Chris believes Kristi murdered him because she didn't bond with him and until his body is exhumed he can't prove otherwise. I know a case where a family believed the wife of a police officer was murdered by her husband, and after many years her body was exhumed and re-examined, and the husband was charged with her murder.

I think the police are determined to prove Kiesha was murdered by either Robert or Kristi based on what Chris told them and not on the evidence which IMO strongly suggests Kiesha was sold for money and that is why the police are denying the investigators statement that all her clothes were missing from her family home and not releasing any more information about the money.

 

[revampz]

I am a bit suss about the "no clothes for her" whole situation......

The fact that it was reported and then denied.......hhhmmmm am always wary when that happens...its a bit like something slipped out that wasnt suppose to.....

Like with Kyron Horman, at the beginning there was a comment that the stepmum had said he was going to an appointment and that is why the teachers did not get alarmed....

this was denied

and now that they are pointing the finger at her we know it was true.

Have a feeling it might be the same type of thing here...

so I think you are right Bluesky......

One thing tho.......you others here in australia, who would seriously buy a 6 year old girl??? I just cant comprehend that happening here....

It was a massive big shock when it happened in the US with Shaniya................

 

[butwhatif?]

Don't you think its just a natural reaction for a parent of a missing child to believe their child is alive until proven otherwise? I really think this is just his own hope that she will be ok...JMO

But he doesn't seem to have any hope. From the beginning he thought she was dead.

CHRIS WEIPPEART conceded that he had not played a large role in Kiesha's life but said that he was anxious to know she was safe but did not hold out much hope. ''I don't think we're going to find her alive. I hope we do, I really hope so, but my instinct tells me it's bad.''

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/collapsed-dad-rushed-to-hospital-20100807-11pcg.html

Her father Chris Weippeart and his family yesterday thanked emergency crews and the community for their tireless searching, but begged them not to give up. "Our hearts are broken, but we just want people to keep looking, keep searching and bring Kiesha home alive," Chris' brother Matthew Weippeart said yesterday.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/na...escapes-to-hotel/story-e6frf7l6-1225902341654

So Chris' brother, Matthew was holding out hope, but Chris seems less convinced there could be a happy ending.

For a minute when I read the newest article I thought Chris and his mum were saying that they now had hope she was alive. But it doesn't say that at all. It says that they want answers about what happened to her.

Kiesha's biological father Chris Weippeart and grandmother Liz yesterday begged police to keep up the search so they could have some answers.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/na...-for-kieshas-mum/story-e6frf7l6-1225909120801

What I'm getting at, is there's a chance that since Chris and Kristi lived together for around 2 years, he knows what she could be capable of, (especially after the bite)....and it 'aint good.....and that's why he doesn't seem to hold out hope for Kiesha being found alive.

Because like you say, it would be a natural reaction to have at least some hope when your child goes missing.

Since this appears to be an abnormal reaction, I think it runs much deeper, and reading between the lines, says a lot about what Chris thinks Kristi or Rob were capable of. KWIM?

JMO

 

[butwhatif?]

I am a bit suss about the no clothes for her whole situation......

The fact that it was reported and then denied.......I am always suss when that happens...its a bit like something slipped out that wasnt suppose to.....

Like with Kyron Horman, at the beginning there was a comment that the stepmum had said he was going to an appointment and that is why the teachers did not get alarmed....

this was denied

and now they are pointing the finger at her we know it was true.

Have a feeling it might be the same type of thing here...

so I think you are right Bluesky......

One thing tho.......you others here in australia, who would seriously buy a 6 year old girl??? I just cant comprehend that happening here....

It was a massive big shock when it happened in the US with Shaniya................

naahh....surely not......

I think it happens everywhere unfortunately. We just don't hear about it as much because our media tends to focus more on sportsmen gone wild. :banghead:

But I believe we have just as many pedos here as anywhere else. We're just not allowed to know where and who they are.

I don't know if she was killed, sold, or otherwise.

I just hope the investigation continues and the people who really love Kiesha get their answers, some closure, and if deceased, that she can have a proper burial fit for a princess.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Yes, sorry, I misread your first post, I thought you were saying that he had hope that she was alive, and had reason to believe that! And I agree with you, I think that knowing what he knows about Kristi and Robert he joined the dots when he heard their story. And agree very telling.

 

[Crosby87]

I think it would be in Chris’s best interests if Aiden’s body was exhumed to re-examine his cause of death. I think Chris knows in his heart Aiden did not die of natural causes and the fact his son’s death will be “looked into to see if it relates to Kiesha’s case but his body will not be exhumed” won't set Chris free and allow him to heal. Chris remains heart broken and he is not at peace but it might be impossible for examiners to determine whether the child was in fact smothered after all this time. Babies do die of SID’s but because Chris and his mother stated facts which suggest the baby was murdered by Kristi, I think they should take the matter before a Judge. Chris is trapped in this experience and is reliving the horrible nightmare of his son’s death.

Kylie Marshall has cared for Ms Abrahams's two-year-old daughter Breanna as police and State Emergency Service workers have been searching for the missing girl.

''Chris hasn't been sleeping … he hasn't left the house because of the TV cameras out the front. People have been twisting his words.'' And yet Kiesha's mother, Kristi Abrahams, and stepfather, Robert Smith, were staying at a $95-a-night roadside hotel in Plumpton yesterday, supported by family and friends. Family friend Kylie Marshall said Ms Abrahams and Mr Smith were seeking privacy. ''They want to deal with this on their own,'' she said. ''They don't want to speak to anybody. They just want Kiesha home. They are focusing on Kiesha. Someone must know something.'' Chris should go stay in a motel too not a hospital.

“The strike force had been joined by six detectives from the child protection and serious sex crimes squad plus detectives from Mount Druitt police and neighbouring police commands.” So the investigators and police could be giving conflicting stories about Kiesha’s clothes being missing from her home.

''If she was taken by someone in a car she may not even be in the area now,'' he said. which explains why no physical evidence has been found so far.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/collapsed-dad-rushed-to-hospital-20100807-11pcg.html

 

[Crosby87]

I think it happens everywhere unfortunately. We just don't hear about it as much because our media tends to focus more on sportsmen gone wild. :banghead:

But I believe we have just as many pedos here as anywhere else. We're just not allowed to know where and who they are.
I don't know if she was killed, sold, or otherwise.

I just hope the investigation continues and the people who really love Kiesha get their answers, some closure, and if deceased, that she can have a proper burial fit for a princess.

Ditto to the above paragraph.

I googled "Registered sex offenders in Australia" and several websites are available that contain the names and photos of convicted Australian paedophiles, sex offenders, and child killers. You can refine your search to find out how many RSO are living in your neighborhood. Here is a link.

http://www.peoplesearch.com.au/Public_Records/Sex_Offenders/


FYI, the Sydney Morning Herald in an article dated August 8th, 2010 stated,

“Yesterday detectives were in the final stages of interviewing every convicted child sex offender living in the area.”

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/collapsed-dad-rushed-to-hospital-20100807-11pcg.html

 

[mayelf]

I've read contradicting statements. Did Kiesha's mother bite her or was it someone else while under the care of her mother?

"Inspector Oxford said: ‘‘.... And, yes, the child was bitten and some action taken against the person who bit the child.’’

That statement just seems like he would have said the mother bit the child if it was the mother, and not just the person. So I guess that's where I'm confused. And it also says that most of the details about her life cannot be released because of legal reasons. I'm wondering if the mother had a previous abusive boyfriend before the current boyfriend and that is why there is such a hush on what happened previously.

source : http://www.smh.com.au/national/kiesh...ml?from=smh_sb

 

[hoppyfrog]

I don't think is is helpful or relevant to Keisha to get into a discussion about housing commission and aboriginal aid. These topics have the potential to become quite heated and may derail the thread due to differing opinions.

This is correct.

Please stay on topic, peeps!

Hoppy
mod

 

[butwhatif?]

Ditto to the above paragraph.

I googled "Registered sex offenders in Australia" and several websites are available that contain the names and photos of convicted Australian paedophiles, sex offenders, and child killers. You can refine your search to find out how many RSO are living in your neighborhood. Here is a link.

http://www.peoplesearch.com.au/Public_Records/Sex_Offenders/


FYI, the Sydney Morning Herald in an article dated August 8th, 2010 stated,

“Yesterday detectives were in the final stages of interviewing every convicted child sex offender living in the area.”

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/collapsed-dad-rushed-to-hospital-20100807-11pcg.html

Yeah, I've visited the mako site a few times. The problem is that it's based on newspaper and media clips and snips, so only has a 'few' of our RSO's listed. I say few because it only lists 1386 of them in the entire country. (and that number includes child killers, not just SO's)

My uncle isn't listed on there even though he was convicted of abusing lot's of kids, including children from the church, the kids on his bus route, his own son and other family members.

But the police and gvt agencies have an complete list of ALL of the RSO's, so they know where to find them when something like this happens.

http://www.mako.org.au/temp_a.html

 

[butwhatif?]

I've read contradicting statements. Did Kiesha's mother bite her or was it someone else while under the care of her mother?

"Inspector Oxford said: ‘‘.... And, yes, the child was bitten and some action taken against the person who bit the child.’’

That statement just seems like he would have said the mother bit the child if it was the mother, and not just the person. So I guess that's where I'm confused. And it also says that most of the details about her life cannot be released because of legal reasons. I'm wondering if the mother had a previous abusive boyfriend before the current boyfriend and that is why there is such a hush on what happened previously.

source : http://www.smh.com.au/national/kiesh...ml?from=smh_sb

I'd been a 'lil confused about that too. But since it's Kiesha's mum who was charged, and they mention no charges against a second person, and Kiesha was removed from her mothers care at the time, I think it's pretty safe to say Kristi was the culprit.

Kristi and Chris were together at the time, and Chris and his mum were the ones to take kiesha to the hospital. I guess it's possible that Kristi had another guy on the side, but my gut tells me that if she did, it was Robert since they moved in together so soon after the split with Chris.

JMO

 

[butwhatif?]

I think it would be in Chris’s best interests if Aiden’s body was exhumed to re-examine his cause of death. I think Chris knows in his heart Aiden did not die of natural causes and the fact his son’s death will be “looked into to see if it relates to Kiesha’s case but his body will not be exhumed” won't set Chris free and allow him to heal. Chris remains heart broken and he is not at peace but it might be impossible for examiners to determine whether the child was in fact smothered after all this time. Babies do die of SID’s but because Chris and his mother stated facts which suggest the baby was murdered by Kristi, I think they should take the matter before a Judge. Chris is trapped in this experience and is reliving the horrible nightmare of his son’s death.

Kylie Marshall has cared for Ms Abrahams's two-year-old daughter Breanna as police and State Emergency Service workers have been searching for the missing girl.

''Chris hasn't been sleeping … he hasn't left the house because of the TV cameras out the front. People have been twisting his words.'' And yet Kiesha's mother, Kristi Abrahams, and stepfather, Robert Smith, were staying at a $95-a-night roadside hotel in Plumpton yesterday, supported by family and friends. Family friend Kylie Marshall said Ms Abrahams and Mr Smith were seeking privacy. ''They want to deal with this on their own,'' she said. ''They don't want to speak to anybody. They just want Kiesha home. They are focusing on Kiesha. Someone must know something.'' Chris should go stay in a motel too not a hospital.

“The strike force had been joined by six detectives from the child protection and serious sex crimes squad plus detectives from Mount Druitt police and neighbouring police commands.” So the investigators and police could be giving conflicting stories about Kiesha’s clothes being missing from her home.

''If she was taken by someone in a car she may not even be in the area now,'' he said. which explains why no physical evidence has been found so far.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/collapsed-dad-rushed-to-hospital-20100807-11pcg.html

Apologies in advance for going a lil OT.

But in the Caylee case, I rememeber getting a bit derailed by the fact that the sex crimes unit was involved. (end of OT)

I think sometimes, they use whatever manpower they can, from any division especially in high profile cases.
So the fact that members of the 'serious sex crimes' unit were brought in on Kiesha's case, doesn't necessarily mean they were investigating any sexual abuse.
I'm hoping for Kieshas sake they were brought in just for more manpower.
But relooking at the phrase they used, it also appears that the child protection and serious sex crimes squad are linked, and are one and the same.

RE: The clothing- we have that pic of the laundry hanging on the balcony, with a little purple skivvy that looks like it would fit a six year old. But who knows, that could have been a ploy on their part to make it appear kiesha was still at the home.

It's been 3 weeks now! Surely some of the evidence they collected has been tested and results are back.

But my mind keeps going back to the car. We've heard nothing about any cars being seized. I'd think that after the eyewitness account of Kiesha being attacked in that car , it would have allowed probable cause for a warrant to seize it. And if her body was put into that car to be dumped, there would be plenty of evidence left behind.

And still no mention of where Robert was when Kristi allegedly found Kieshas bed empty.
I think all we'll be getting from the investigators from this point is "We cannot comment or confirm that"...until kiesha is found or an arrest is made.

Honestly, if I didn't have kids of my own to look after I'd be out there searching for Kiesha myself.
JMO