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Peralta said:
Yes, Byron Bay police notes from April 1998 indicate the possibility $80k was wired overseas. But, it's Colonial Ashmore and they do have records that the $80K was withdrawn not transferred. At least not in Marion's name.

So the question is, where did GC get that info from? That note has always been o_O

First, Sally went to Byron and told GC that $5k a day was being taken out of the Byron branch for weeks. She didn't even know about Ashmore $80k.

GC was within walking distance from the Byron bank yet he never responded to that enquiry, but came back with 'she took her Ashmore money and ran off overseas with a man'.

How did he know to contact the Ashmore branch? Yet never followed up with the Byron branch which was the actual inquiry?

Furthermore, Colonial say they never had a securities officer and were never contacted by police. Again, so where did GC get his info from?

Then, I remember Sally should have never known about the Byron bank withdrawals. She only found out because the phone teller broke the rules and told her. So I suspect the story all along for RB was to say that she took her Ashmore cash and left the country. I don't think anyone was ever supposed to know about Byron, it's always been fiercely protected, so I think the answer is in Byron.

The story that was planted and that halted a real investigation, was that Marion, was just a thrice divorced silly elderly woman who ran off with a man without telling her family. Where did that start? GC.

Then, when it became evident that Colonial records showed no transfer overseas, the story changed to "she was sighted" yet no-one can explain by whom.

IMO. Could be way off, it's just speculation. Really keen to hear other perspectives :)

FYI, GC was an officer for 20 years at the time of Marion's disappearance and claims he didn't know missing person's procedure. He left the force five years later and has since worked in sales for retirement village and resort property investment companies.
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Agree. IMO the Byron angle stinks.

Having lived (once upon a time) on the Gold Coast, I’ve met all sorts of characters. Salesmen of all stripes. Sometimes it felt like living in the movie Glengarry Glen Ross.
The thing is, why, when you live on the Gold Coast and have a decent and convenient bank branch there, would anyone drive the 90 minutes it took down to Byron Bay?
I myself made the trip there many times in the late 90s and it was a sleepy beach town which came alive with the young backpackers doing the hippie trail. People remember those times fondly. If Marion was really ever there then she didn’t connect to the community, mores the pity.

So many webs. We have one little spiderweb which involves:
Remakel Driver’s License registered in Queensland—>
Remakel name—>connected to Timeshare company—>in neighbourhood of the Gold Coast Arts Centre—>Marion’s ‘friend’ from the Arts Centre (was he a Patron of the Arts in 1996/97?)

If you ever want to buy into a timeshare or retirement resort, have a really good lawyer go through the contracts. The Devil is in the details.
 
Maybe I am a bit thick - but is there a reason that they knew the 2nd inquest would be held at Ballina, back after the first inquest ( on the 25th of Jun) ? is Ballina only relevant because of RB ?

when was he interviewed ?

Also at 1.10 of this video they state - " police think someone in Northern NSW knows more about marion's disappearance then they originally told them"

$250,000 reward offered for information on Marion Barter's disappearance | 7NEWS - YouTube

when they said this at the time I assumed they had someone in their sights
 
Meligator said:
Re-listening to earlier episodes of the podcast and didn’t remember this detail but WOW end of episode 3) ~50:30, reading notes from Byron Bay Police Graham Childs says “one possible reason for her behavior is that she has returned to Australia with a companion and has transferred the funds [80k] to England to purchase a property there with a view to move to England.”

The money went overseas!!! So what went into the Ballina security box??!
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If that is the case then surely the bank can search for transfers made overseas for that amount around that time, or smaller transfers made regularly for a period of about 3 weeks.
 
Meligator said:
Re-listening to earlier episodes of the podcast and didn’t remember this detail but WOW end of episode 3) ~50:30, reading notes from Byron Bay Police Graham Childs says “one possible reason for her behavior is that she has returned to Australia with a companion and has transferred the funds [80k] to England to purchase a property there with a view to move to England.”

The money went overseas!!! So what went into the Ballina security box??!
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Stuff that gets buried in long black tubes maybe gets dug up and placed in a safe deposit box - random thought and speculation. :rolleyes:
There were a few security boxes and envelopes.
 
Since i found that adress, i’m searching info about it. It’s crazy how many businesses have been there over the years. So i doubt it’s still interesting to the police. Nevertheless it will help them paint a picture of his whereabouts.

Purely my thought about this adress: looks like it was an adress used by a lot of fake businesses until it was bought by a lady to run her real business in.

But maybe it’s interesting for the police to look at the owner of the building? If it wasn’t our W.W(and other aliasses), maybe it’s someone he rented often from/did more business with. And maybe that leaves a trail?

Estelle said:
BLUM, RIC - BE 0858.473.358 | Business and financial data | Bizzy

Investment property
Plot width 15m
Plot depth 43m
Contact details 50°50'17.5"N 4°23' 54.9"E
Number of facades Terraced house
Companies The following companies are established: at this address
BLUM, RIC
Since 01/10/1968

Rue des Francs 46, 1040 Etterbeek

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BE 0858.473.358
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Estelle said:
I think RB has tried to make sure he has covered all tracks over the years and when confronted has been able to tell a credible story.
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I’m also intrigued by the other company..
Cordemans Et Cie being the same address..

CORDEMANS ET Cie (BVBA)
Private limited liability company • Founded 27/12/1984 • Closed 24/12/2003

rue des Francs 46, 1040 Etterbeek

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BE 0426.659.844

I can’t find a connection though, Albert Cordemans resigned and Dorothea Maslowska is appointed from 1/7 2001

then 23-12/2003 the company goes into liquidation. Document says something about the last tax and other obligations will still need to be repaid and handled by Albert Cordeman (at the same address) and that he will retain and assume custody of the company’s books and documents. Cordemans Et Cie will cease to exist subject to its passive existence for a period of 5 years.

Rubrique fin (cessation, annulation cessation, nullite, conc, reorganisation judiciaire, etc) / CORDEMANS ET Cie | Bizzy

Demissions, nominations - capital, actions / CORDEMANS ET Cie | Bizzy

is there a connection aside from same address?

** edit - this gentleman resides in Spain..
 
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Carovb5 said:
Since i found that adress, i’m searching info about it. It’s crazy how many businesses have been there over the years. So i doubt it’s still interesting to the police. Nevertheless it will help them paint a picture of his whereabouts.

Purely my thought about this adress: looks like it was an adress used by a lot of fake businesses until it was bought by a lady to run her real business in.

But maybe it’s interesting for the police to look at the owner of the building? If it wasn’t our W.W(and other aliasses), maybe it’s someone he rented often from/did more business with. And maybe that leaves a trail?
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Yes have seen the lady’s business which is def legit
 
KiwiNZ said:
Maybe I am a bit thick - but is there a reason that they knew the 2nd inquest would be held at Ballina, back after the first inquest ( on the 25th of Jun) ? is Ballina only relevant because of RB ?
when was he interviewed ?
Also at 1.10 of this video they state - " police think someone in Northern NSW knows more about marion's disappearance then they originally told them"
$250,000 reward offered for information on Marion Barter's disappearance | 7NEWS - YouTube
when they said this at the time I assumed they had someone in their sights
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At the beginning of the inquest last year, they announced it was going to be one week in NSW, then one week split between Ballina and Byron. They never said why. We all wondered 'what's in Ballina?'

At the time, there were some bones found in the area. Sally had to put out a statement saying they were not her mum's (could still be, sometimes police keep things up their sleeves, for strategic purposes).

Then we all wondered if it had to do with Remakel rencontres ad. Yonks ago @Itsapuzzle found the phone listed in the ad was associated with this address:

Unknown Unit number
53 Anderson St, East Ballina NSW 2478, Australia

During first week of inquest, they announced a reward for info, and the one-week split between Ballina and Byron would be postponed until this year to investigate further links to Remakel.

Only recently did they announce a full extra week being added. No idea what all this means, or when they found and interviewed RB, or why Ballina, lol. They still haven't announced witnesses. They are keeping it TIGHT!

NSW Coroner's Court just updated their schedule. Mon-Tues at Ballina and Wed-Fri at Byron Bay!
 
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I noticed someone asked dor a permit to renovate their apartment in that building. So i assume it’s the one with the paper… sorry to screw up your imagination:)

Normally, in Belgium, appartments get numbers or something like it, to differentiate them. So annoying everything in that building is just named “46”.

centred said:
What is the go with the bottom story window being blocked out by what looks like a type of published paper notices ?
Google Maps


I was looking at the address yesterday , thanks for this Eye spy i ran out of time and then forgot
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Peralta said:
At the beginning of the inquest last year, they announced it was going to be one week in NSW, then one week split between Ballina and Byron. They never said why. We all wondered 'what's in Ballina?'

At the time, there were some bones found in the area. Sally had to put out a statement saying they were not her mum's (could still be, sometimes police keep things up their sleeves, for strategic purposes).

Then we all wondered if it had to do with Remakel rencontres ad. Yonks ago @Itsapuzzle found the phone listed in the ad was associated with this address:

Unknown Unit number
53 Anderson St, East Ballina NSW 2478, Australia

During first week of inquest, they announced a reward for info, and the one-week split between Ballina and Byron would be postponed until this year to investigate further links to Remakel.

Only recently did they announce a full extra week being added. No idea what all this means, or when they found and interviewed RB, or why Ballina, lol. They still haven't announced witnesses. They are keeping it TIGHT!

NSW Coroner's Court just updated their schedule. Mon-Tues at Ballina and Wed-Fri at Byron Bay!
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Ah yes, that address was linked with the phone number, but I believe it's a reassigned number, nothing to do with the silent number from back in 1994, that address remains unknown to us at this point. But I do believe some link had been found with the Ballina phone number and Lennox Head PO. Perhaps they're going on a view?
 
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H'mm, I've subscribed to the Coroner's Court on youtube, Marion Barter inquest, and I haven't received a livestreaming link for Monday. So, could this mean the applications heard on day one were to restrict the public from viewing RB and DB's evidence?:(
 
Peralta said:
At the beginning of the inquest last year, they announced it was going to be one week in NSW, then one week split between Ballina and Byron. They never said why. We all wondered 'what's in Ballina?'

At the time, there were some bones found in the area. Sally had to put out a statement saying they were not her mum's (could still be, sometimes police keep things up their sleeves, for strategic purposes).

Then we all wondered if it had to do with Remakel rencontres ad. Yonks ago @Itsapuzzle found the phone listed in the ad was associated with this address:

Unknown Unit number
53 Anderson St, East Ballina NSW 2478, Australia

During first week of inquest, they announced a reward for info, and the one-week split between Ballina and Byron would be postponed until this year to investigate further links to Remakel.

Only recently did they announce a full extra week being added. No idea what all this means, or when they found and interviewed RB, or why Ballina, lol. They still haven't announced witnesses. They are keeping it TIGHT!

NSW Coroner's Court just updated their schedule. Mon-Tues at Ballina and Wed-Fri at Byron Bay!
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Thank you very much for the above, I thought I had missed something lol

Still don't get Ballina, cant be a coincidence, but also don't get why they move around to different locations if it is all on skype lol
 
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53 Anderson St, East Ballina NSW 2478 ( phone number once associate with the advert), is a 10min drive from the Big prawn ( where JO said she dropped RB off) maybe he park in the bunnings carpark and then made his way home from there

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