Found Deceased Australia - Stephanie Scott, 26, Leeton, NSW, 5 April 2015 - #1 *Arrests*

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I have no knowledge one way or the other on the likelihood of VS being alcohol affected at the time of the murder, but I will be staggered if it turns out he did all those things drunk. The deliberate effort to scatter evidence in several different directions seems calculated, and "calculated" isn't a word I naturally associate with "drunken".

And I agree that while domestic violence against women is a problem that needs addressing, I can't see how any good is achieved by lumping it in with the vanishingly rare stranger murders or other non-domestic events. Someone cited up thread that the 30 women murdered so far this year have mostly been killed by men; Destroy The Joint published a meme yesterday that says 17 were killed by a family member or ex partner, while only two were killed by strangers (the details aren't known for 11). Overwhelmingly, the problem is with known and even trusted individuals. Police suggested women shouldn't jog alone in parks after the murder of Masa Vukotik, but the statistics suggest women are more likely to be killed by someone with a key to their heart or home.

Keep it in perspective.
 
Metapraxis, I do see where you are coming from to a point and that may also reflect in part how dv is often reported ie in association with certain demographics or geographical areas.
I have worked in victims of crime, also including dv, support related agencies in both the govt and non govt sector and am a survivor of domestic and family violence myself. Not from a partner but as a result of growing up in that environment andsustaining much eemotional abuse from what I witnessed. But my parents were not uneducated, my background is western European and I was a high peformer academically myself, despite the horribly dysfunctional and damaging environment I was raised in.
I dont wish to go too far beyond the scope of Stephanie's case here but suffice to say that govt and dv service provider iniatives, communication campaigns etc have been trying to convey that dv occurs in all demographics. I dont know how successful they've been to date, and it may also be impacted on reporting statistics or how far things escalate and get perpetuated in different sections of society. Perhaps where there is more money or opportunity to work, people can more readily extricate themselves from dv situations.
Having said that though, dv is not just about physical violence. Perpetrators can appear quite functional to outsiders but instil all kinds of psychological and emotional abuse, manipulate the other financially, isolate them etc etc. And they may resort to that because of mental health issues, substance abuse or dependency, not necessarily not being intelligent or educated. And sometimes the victim stays for similar reasons; they lose their confidence, develop mental health problems, become co dependent. Psychological issues play a huge role in all of this.
I won't go on further, and I do see how so much debate about dv arises: it is such a murky and complex problem and can have roots in so many factors.
 
Walk A Mile said:
I have no knowledge one way or the other on the likelihood of VS being alcohol affected at the time of the murder, but I will be staggered if it turns out he did all those things drunk. The deliberate effort to scatter evidence in several different directions seems calculated, and "calculated" isn't a word I naturally associate with "drunken".

And I agree that while domestic violence against women is a problem that needs addressing, I can't see how any good is achieved by lumping it in with the vanishingly rare stranger murders or other non-domestic events. Someone cited up thread that the 30 women murdered so far this year have mostly been killed by men; Destroy The Joint published a meme yesterday that says 17 were killed by a family member or ex partner, while only two were killed by strangers (the details aren't known for 11). Overwhelmingly, the problem is with known and even trusted individuals. Police suggested women shouldn't jog alone in parks after the murder of Masa Vukotik, but the statistics suggest women are more likely to be killed by someone with a key to their heart or home.

Keep it in perspective.
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Thanks - This was exactly the point I was trying to make prior to the domestic violence derailment.
 
If you recognise any of these names, you will probably be among the people here saying "this is horrifying, why is this happening?". It doesn't matter how often it happens, it matters that it happens. Random women are not attacking men in this same way. Attitudes need to change.

You can't have discussion about violence against women (the reason for this thread) outside of the context of GBV. Yes domestic violence is the largest part of that - but while it was not the case here, it is part of the perspective.

Jill Meagher
Whitney Heichel
Masa Vukotic
Prabha Kumar
Sarah Cafferkey
Stephanie Scott
 
metapraxis02 said:
Yes, there is excessive domestic violence and no one is arguing that (it isn't new, by the way). BUT **Domestic violence does not equate to murder**. There is no murder epidemic. There has never been a murder epidemic and there probably never will be a murder epidemic. That is my only point. Spreading unnecessary fear amongst women does not empower them, it weakens them.

Whether I am a man or a woman is completely irrelevant (or are you, perhaps, stereotyping?) As it happens, I'm not a woman, but I am married to one (and I don't beat her up, swear at her, rape her, shout at her, tell her she is ****). For the record, she is an Emergency Medicine Consultant ("Specialist"), so she sees the results of violence on a regular basis, and it isn't just men beating up women. The reality is that Domestic Violence (and violence generally) is much more pronounced in certain socio-economic groups relative to others. Less well educated people are more prone to engage in and be victims of domestic violence (and violence in general). Improve the educational level of the entire population and the problem will go away. Continue with a poorly educated population of drug and alcohol fuelled morons (who have more children than the well-educated segments of the population) and the problems will remain (and probably worsen as the demographics shift).

I don't know what the answer is, but the idea that all "Men" are somehow the problem is flawed. The issue is intelligence and education. One of those things can be fixed, and it might be enough.
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BBM - I don't think anyone is saying ALL Men! The Men committing the such atrocities are the problem, or is it the Women's fault????
 
Walk A Mile said:
I have no knowledge one way or the other on the likelihood of VS being alcohol affected at the time of the murder, but I will be staggered if it turns out he did all those things drunk. The deliberate effort to scatter evidence in several different directions seems calculated, and "calculated" isn't a word I naturally associate with "drunken".
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You seem to be thinking of being drunk as only being falling down and clumsy. Where as, a high-functioning alcoholic can be very difficult to spot.
 
Xantara said:
Metapraxis, I do see where you are coming from to a point and that may also reflect in part how dv is often reported ie in association with certain demographics or geographical areas.
I have worked in victims of crime, also including dv, support related agencies in both the govt and non govt sector and am a survivor of domestic and family violence myself. Not from a partner but as a result of growing up in that environment andsustaining much eemotional abuse from what I witnessed. But my parents were not uneducated, my background is western European and I was a high peformer academically myself, despite the horribly dysfunctional and damaging environment I was raised in.
I dont wish to go too far beyond the scope of Stephanie's case here but suffice to say that govt and dv service provider iniatives, communication campaigns etc have been trying to convey that dv occurs in all demographics. I dont know how successful they've been to date, and it may also be impacted on reporting statistics or how far things escalate and get perpetuated in different sections of society. Perhaps where there is more money or opportunity to work, people can more readily extricate themselves from dv situations.
Having said that though, dv is not just about physical violence. Perpetrators can appear quite functional to outsiders but instil all kinds of psychological and emotional abuse, manipulate the other financially, isolate them etc etc. And they may resort to that because of mental health issues, substance abuse or dependency, not necessarily not being intelligent or educated. And sometimes the victim stays for similar reasons; they lose their confidence, develop mental health problems, become co dependent. Psychological issues play a huge role in all of this.
I won't go on further, and I do see how so much debate about dv arises: it is such a murky and complex problem and can have roots in so many factors.
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Couldn't thank you enough for this post.

The perception that some people have that violence against Women is mainly contained within "Lower Socioeconomic" groups enables people to minimise the issue. Same as drugs and alcohol.

I think this is a big part of the problem!
 
fruity said:
If you recognise any of these names, you will probably be among the people here saying "this is horrifying, why is this happening?". It doesn't matter how often it happens, it matters that it happens. Random women are not attacking men in this same way. Attitudes need to change.

You can't have discussion about violence against women (the reason for this thread) outside of the context of GBV. Yes domestic violence is the largest part of that - but while it was not the case here, it is part of the perspective.

Jill Meagher
Whitney Heichel
Masa Vukotic
Prabha Kumar
Sarah Cafferkey
Stephanie Scott
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add:
Allison Baden-Clay
Mersina Halvagis
Nicole Patterson
Margaret Maher

and many other women in recent years ...
 
inkpink said:
Couldn't thank you enough for this post.

The perception that some people have that violence against Women is mainly contained within "Lower Socioeconomic" groups enables people to minimise the issue. Same as drugs and alcohol.

I think this is a big part of the problem!
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Absolutely!
 
fruity said:
But it doesn't make any sense for her to have picked the keys up from him. Why would the police say that items linked to Stephanie were found at his house - including the keys she borrowed - if he owned (or was in charge of) them? Why would that be newsworthy? In a murder investigation, being in possession of your own keys is not something the police will think is significant.
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I am a long way behind in reading all of this so it is likely this has already been discussed. Please ignore if this is the case. Just wondering, it seems unlikely to me that VS was the one who gave her the keys to the school as LE were able to identify them as the ones she used. Wouldn't this identification only possible if someone else ( ie the person who gave her the keys) could describe them? Otherwise whose to say the keys found at his house weren't his???

Hope that makes sense!!
 
Rainbowsmagic said:
I am a long way behind in reading all of this so it is likely this has already been discussed. Please ignore if this is the case. Just wondering, it seems unlikely to me that VS was the one who gave her the keys to the school as LE were able to identify them as the ones she used. Wouldn't this identification only possible if someone else ( ie the person who gave her the keys) could describe them? Otherwise whose to say the keys found at his house weren't his???

Hope that makes sense!!
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Hi, yes this is also true. It turns out that the deputy head gave her the keys :)
 
tracecomp said:
Yes - I remembered reading it as it was quoting her mother. Could be LE wanted to keep quiet on who saw her last so the person wouldn't be hounded by press and they could keep an eye on him in case he was involved? Now obviously he was not involved.
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Oops! Sorry! Should have kept reading a bit longer!
 
While this is a shockingly violent crime, lets not lose sight that we have come here to discuss Stephanie's case. Lets stay true to getting resolution of justice for Stephanie.

What happens June 4 when VS appears via video link to Griffith court? When will this cowardly face the people who's lives have been changed by his despicable crime?
 
FYI
http://mashable.com/2015/04/10/stephanie-scott-murder/

The case gripping Australia: Stephanie Scott murdered a week before her wedding

"Stanford was on the grounds at the same time as Scott on Easter Sunday" ...
"Police allege Scott was murdered between 11 a.m. and 7:20 p.m. on Easter Sunday" ...
"The Police investigation focused on Stanford after he gave varying accounts of his movements on the day of Scott's disappearance"...
Police discovered the school keys at his home"...
The morning after Stanford's arrest, Scott's car, a red Mazda 3 sedan, was discovered by a Network Nine news helicopter in a paddock 8 kilometres out of Leeton, on the edge of a vineyard. It is unknown how the car was dumped in that location.
"Police have confirmed divers pulled an iPad from a canal just outside of the town with Leeton High School markings on it".
"Police confirmed charred remains were discovered in a Cocoparra National Park are most likely Stephanie Scott".
 
Just putting another theory out there that ive been wondering the last few days. What if VS doesnt have the mental capacity of an average 24 year old?
Im just throwing it out there as it would answer alot of my own personal questions about this.
Of course he could just be plain old psychopathic but his mental capacity and development has crossed my mind many many times.
All speculation MOO.
 
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