Australia - Warriena Wright, 26, dies in balcony fall, Surfers Paradise, Aug 2014 #4

[FigTree]

Indeed!! He's supposedly 6ft 4ins, supposedly is into gym work??....and according to police/prosecutors, the evidence doesn't suggest he was affected by alcohol. Warriena was very *intoxicated, he not only chokes her but then drags her onto the balcony!! He didn't just shove her out there, he dragged her out. Yet he had trouble extracting something from her hand!?!??!....

Prosecutors say Ms Wright slapped him, before he squeezed her throat and dragged her to the balcony, where he locked her outside.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...-warriena-wright/story-e6frg6nf-1227128046513

.......submissions that Tostee’s offending was caused by alcohol were not borne out by the evidence

http://m.goldcoastbulletin.com.au/n...trict-conditions/story-fnj94j0t-1227127491700

Sorry - replied to this post before reading the other posts which basically ask the same question about Rrie being restrained.

On another matter - I wonder why the metal object isn't named, but described instead as: a weapon.
Why cant or wasn't it named?
Too embarrassing?
Are we talking '*ex aids' here?
:thinking:

 

[marlywings]

Was Rrie still tied or incapacitated by some form of restraint at this time?
I'm not recalling that there was mention of her being unrestricted.
Is that why she was dragged?
In the scuffle on the balcony - could she have been 'released' from some sort of restraint.

I get the impression that she knew something bad was about to happen and there was nothing she could do to stop the momentum - its why I think she was restricted.

What ever restricted her could be what was being put away after GT left Rrie on the balcony.

Yes I agree re the line I've bolded.

I also wonder if she was gagged with something during the time she was repeatedly screaming "no"....

'I heard a girl say "I just, I just want to go home, please let me go home " and she was quite scared,' Ms Ellis said in the re-enactment for Gold Coast detectives.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ss-saw-feet-dangling-above.html#ixzz3O8uQYFC5

 

[FigTree]

Yes I agree re the line I've bolded.

I also wonder if she was gagged with something during the time she was repeatedly screaming "no"....

'I heard a girl say "I just, I just want to go home, please let me go home " and she was quite scared,' Ms Ellis said in the re-enactment for Gold Coast detectives.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ss-saw-feet-dangling-above.html#ixzz3O8uQYFC5

OOps sorry Marly, I changed the post but didn't realize you had replied Thank-you.

I also have another thought regarding him allegedly looking to the balcony and seeing Rrie before she disappeared.
How reflective is glass when looking from the inside out at night?
Glass reacts like a mirror - not something you can see through easily.
I really do wonder about the quality of the vision beyond the glass from an interior view.
In some photos taken from the units interior looking out during the day you can see the reflective surface of the glass I am talking about - at night, this reflection can be more pronounced and very hard to see through.
If he did see Warriena 'disappear whilst he was inside - where was he situated in the unit? It would have to be somewhere he could have seen through the glass without interior reflection interfering to see her clearly in the blackness of the night.
Or was the door open and not shut.
Are the glass panels tinted - even slightly?
I hope the police looked at this angle of investigation or re-enacted where GT was in the units interior (when he saw Rrie) under the same lighting conditions at the same time of night - even the outside nightscape would be different.

Just some thoughts..

 

[Camp Chair]

Sorry - replied to this post before reading the other posts which basically ask the same question about Rrie being restrained.

On another matter - I wonder why the metal object isn't named, but described instead as: a weapon.
Why cant or wasn't it named?
Too embarrassing?
Are we talking '*ex aids' here?
:thinking:

BBM
I have a feeling that research of sex aids is about to unfold here lol :blushing: This site leads me to all sorts of weird places & odd experiments. Last time I destroyed soap with a Mach 3 razor and dropped a heavy sack of chicken feed off my upstairs balcony to test for thud-ness. :notgood:

 

[sosocurious]

BBM
I have a feeling that research of sex aids is about to unfold here lol :blushing: This site leads me to all sorts of weird places & odd experiments. Last time I destroyed soap with a Mach 3 razor and dropped a heavy sack of chicken feed off my upstairs balcony to test for thud-ness. :notgood:

So funny lol

 

[Camp Chair]

So funny lol

Oh.... and :lol::lol:.... the sack split!! :lol::lol::lol::lol:
Damn you Gerard Baden-Clay.:chicken:

 

[FigTree]

Oh.... and :lol::lol:.... the sack split!! :lol::lol::lol::lol:
Damn you Gerard Baden-Clay.:chicken:

Oh my! :gaah: - I thought you were talking about a dance!! :shame:
I'd better fftobed:
Delete visual - over-ride - fluffy bunnies.

Wonder how the 12th will turn out now with the new legal team - I wonder what really was the catalyst for the change of representation...
hmmm

 

[Ooohm]

Warriena knew she was going to be murdered if she spent one more moment in that apartment with him. He drove her, psychologically, to run out onto the balcony. Maybe he thought that would erase his culpability. Just another sloot in a little lust-trance, making a dash for it. That's what they do, innit?

Having no empathy nor interest in the tragic aspects of other events, he didn't realise that other murderers had unsuccessfully tried this method and it was a known and legally-tested prosecution. The idea of misadventure in this instance is painfully laughable.

Whatever she did that night could be completely justified if one were to step into her shoes and feel the danger she knew was all around her. Act crazy, he might let me go, be obnoxious ( not that she was)---he'll kick me out, can't leave without my phone but damn what had he done with it? He could really make my life miserable with my phone so I better get it---wait he is getting worse, the danger is much stronger, oh my god I have to get out of here never mind the phone I have to GO he's going to kill me "No no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,...."
And there are witnesses.

 

[Ausgirl]

What's disgusting is that he and his "mates" (or sockpuppets, w/e) whine about how scawed he was in pwison, poor Gable, what with the apparently machiavellian plot undertaken to gain access to his "cell area", and of which the prison admin could find NO evidence anyone was there...

But there's this flat out, incredible *denial* of the absolute terror in Warriena's voice and words just before she died. Even suggestions that Warriena was *pretending* to be terrified... How ANYone can access that information and NOT acknowledge her abject terror I do not know. Or rather, I do know - and it just makes me ill.

Misadventure, my rear end. At *the least* and giving him a ton more credit than I'd prefer to, this was manslaughter.

 

[Ausgirl]

I also think the posing with animals thing was a dig at Warriena. Especially as her being shown with animals is a sore point for the socks.

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/gable-tostee-tinder-death.1073366/page-11#post-36634614

Sick.

 

[SouthAussie]

OOps sorry Marly, I changed the post but didn't realize you had replied Thank-you.

I also have another thought regarding him allegedly looking to the balcony and seeing Rrie before she disappeared.
How reflective is glass when looking from the inside out at night?
Glass reacts like a mirror - not something you can see through easily.
I really do wonder about the quality of the vision beyond the glass from an interior view.
In some photos taken from the units interior looking out during the day you can see the reflective surface of the glass I am talking about - at night, this reflection can be more pronounced and very hard to see through.
If he did see Warriena 'disappear whilst he was inside - where was he situated in the unit? It would have to be somewhere he could have seen through the glass without interior reflection interfering to see her clearly in the blackness of the night.
Or was the door open and not shut.
Are the glass panels tinted - even slightly?
I hope the police looked at this angle of investigation or re-enacted where GT was in the units interior (when he saw Rrie) under the same lighting conditions at the same time of night - even the outside nightscape would be different.

Just some thoughts..

Great point, FigTree! You are absolutely 100% correct. When inside a lit room and it is night outside you cannot see anything outside .. or very little. Usually you have to push your face right up to the glass, even cup your hands around your eyes with your face pushed to the glass, to see outside.

I hope that police test/have tested that too.

 

[Ausgirl]

BBM
I have a feeling that research of sex aids is about to unfold here lol :blushing: This site leads me to all sorts of weird places & odd experiments. Last time I destroyed soap with a Mach 3 razor and dropped a heavy sack of chicken feed off my upstairs balcony to test for thud-ness. :notgood:

Good to hear I'm not the only one who subjects their household to WS experiments. Might give the sex aids a miss, tho.

SouthAussie --- the report says that three fire crews were called out "to the unit" (ie, Tostee's unit) falsely. But they don't say when? I'd really like to know whether it was that same night or not. Curious indeed. If it was the same night, I wonder if it'd be possible for the cops to ID the phone the calls came from?

Just another bizarre element to this case.

 

[SouthAussie]

Seems like more than a few WSers conduct scientific experiments .... I remember alioop doing the infamous how-long-do-mangosteens-float experiment for the MH370 thread, and another poster stuffing herself/her son into the back of a van just like Jennifer Ramsaran's van to see if/how they fit.

Who says this is just a discussion forum?!

 

[SlinkiMalinki]

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...en-caused-by-fingernails-20140908-10e13a.html

A six-page medical report tendered on Monday detailed a series of scratches, abrasions, red marks and scabs found on Mr Tostee's body on August 8.

These included injuries on his cheeks, near his mouth, back of his head, neck, back, right arm and hand, and right leg.

There were also a number of small patterned abrasions "likely" to have been caused by an object, Dr Nelle van Buuren said.

However the doctor said it was not possible to conclusively say how the injuries were caused because Mr Tostee refused to participate in a police interview.

"One explanation for linear abrasions in the context of a physical altercation is scratches from fingernails," she said.

"It is likely that the 'pattern' injury on Mr Tostee's right leg was due to an object which moved across the skin towards his right...the shape of this injury may be reflective of the shape of the causation object or part there of."

Dr van Buuren said some injuries were unrelated to the apartment incident, and it was even possible some scratches were self-inflicted.

And from another article http://www.skynews.com.au/news/top-...er-says-tostee-case--not-one-of-murder-0.html
The doctor said some marks were possible fingernail scratches and one wound on Tostee's lower leg was probably made by an object. -

Also focussing his assertion on the BBF http://www.numisc.com/forum/showthr...-oldmisc-addressing-that-night-on-the-balcony

"I tried to make her leave but instead of leaving she grabbed a nearby metal object and tried to swing it at me..."

It is extremely likely GT's defense's will focus on this key point that he locked her out on the balcony in "self defense".

If GT's defence lawyer(s) were on the ball, this mysterious metal object would have been identified to them by now so that the proper Forensics testing can be ordered to garner evidence that Warriena's fingerprints are indeed on it. Then, my guess is at the trial, the medical doctor who examined GT might be called to testify under oath and be asked whether the injury on the lower leg is consistent with the metal object identified by GT. GT might even be asked to show or re-enact what exactly happened or how Warriena allegedly "attacked" him with this mysterious metal object. Other forensics physicians and pathologists will be asked to give their expert opinions, etc.

We would just have to be patient to find out what this metal object is.

 

[emirates1957]

BBM
I have a feeling that research of sex aids is about to unfold here lol :blushing: This site leads me to all sorts of weird places & odd experiments. Last time I destroyed soap with a Mach 3 razor and dropped a heavy sack of chicken feed off my upstairs balcony to test for thud-ness. :notgood:

Simply brilliant.

 

[emirates1957]

Seems like more than a few WSers conduct scientific experiments .... I remember alioop doing the infamous how-long-do-mangosteens-float experiment for the MH370 thread, and another poster stuffing herself/her son into the back of a van just like Jennifer Ramsaran's van to see if/how they fit.

Who says this is just a discussion forum?!

Hubby and I overfilled the toilet last night to see if it would flush automatically. Reference being made to OP blood stained toilet.

 

[Snoods]

IMO (from when we were looking at pics of an apartment just like his on a r/e site), I think the front door of the apartment is about 5 metres away from the middle of the living room. It is a very small apartment.

Not very far for him to escort Rrie to the front door, rather than drag her struggling and screaming out onto the balcony. I doubt there would have been a struggle if he'd led her to the front door ... or just allowed her to leave!

Exactly, SouthAussie. IMO he had no intention of allowing her to leave because at that point he wanted to teach the "bad girl" a lesson. Never bought for a second that he was "in fear for his life" as the reason he put her out on the balcony. By his own words she wasn't allowed to leave, can't backtrack now Tostee.

http://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au...ngs-police-claim/story-fnje8bkv-1227049619338

 

[enzeder]

Does anyone have any idea or reasoning why the recording doesn't start until 00:55am - if GT normally records convo's I find it strange that he doesn't start to record immediately but 3 hours after he met Rrie.

I would think that if he normally records his meetings with females, he would have recorded from the beginning when meeting someone new - did he only want memories of certain events or was the earlier part of their meeting recorded and not sync'd to all his devices?



http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...ostees-apartment-balcony-20140908-10e4zm.html

They found 3 phones in his (sorry - A car) car in the basement - he had his own phone and Rrie's on him and they found the recording on a phone found in his fathers car??? Were any of these phones used to record or how many devices was it sent to???

Or am I totally confused?



http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11310034

BBM

I was reading over older posts sleepinoz and your comment "Does anyone have any idea or reasoning why the recording doesn't start until 00:55am" got me wondering about that too. In the below quote/s it appears to me that Rrie was going at leave around that time because 'male' is heard to say at "12.57am “Don’t go baby, please.”

"12.56.30am: Music heard. It is James Blunt’s Nights Like These.

12.57am: Male: “Don’t go baby, please.”

12.58am: Drinks poured.

1.02am: Male asks female to come here and chill and have a drink. Repeats to chill, have a drink. Male says that everything on him is good looking. Female: “I am psycho drunk and not to test her.”"

http://www.news.com.au/national/war...leged-recordings/story-e6frfkp9-1227053364751

 

[Kara-curious]

IMO (from when we were looking at pics of an apartment just like his on a r/e site), I think the front door of the apartment is about 5 metres away from the middle of the living room. It is a very small apartment.

Not very far for him to escort Rrie to the front door, rather than drag her struggling and screaming out onto the balcony. I doubt there would have been a struggle if he'd led her to the front door ... or just allowed her to leave!

BBm and also...

"The struggle took place about 2-3 metres away from the rear glass doors that lead to my balcony. My front door was about 10m away, and has an automatic closer and lock which I would have had to flick then hold open while trying to force her out. This would have been much more difficult and wasn't really an option. Putting her outdoors would have meant I could separate her from me and keep an eye on her through the glass doors until she either calmed down or I called someone like security or police to take her away. Never in my wildest imagination did I expect what happened next."
http://www.numisc.com/forum/showthr...-oldmisc-addressing-that-night-on-the-balcony

So, is the apartment possibly 12m from balcony doors to front door? Seems large.

 

[Kara-curious]

Great point, FigTree! You are absolutely 100% correct. When inside a lit room and it is night outside you cannot see anything outside .. or very little. Usually you have to push your face right up to the glass, even cup your hands around your eyes with your face pushed to the glass, to see outside.

I hope that police test/have tested that too.

Agree, excellent point.

Plus, balconies frequently have a light on them. If he didn't have time to affect the lighting before he left the building it will be known whether the balcony light was on or off.


It is my opinion he put her legs over the railing and left her backside perched on the top rail, I'm sure her hands would have been holding on at that point, if possible.

Balconies in Queensland only seem to need to have a balustrade of at least one 1m in height (see page 6 in link).
http://www.hpw.qld.gov.au/SiteCollectionDocuments/DeckBalconyAndWindowSafetyGuideline.pdf

Comparing the tanning bed to the railing... hmm, well this site (http://www.prosun.com/product-category/tanning-beds-booths/) has a few tanning beds and they are all the same height: 48in (1.2m). If the depicted sunbed on Tostee's balcony was of a similar height, perhaps the rail is approx 1.5m high from the balcony floor. Not sure tis 'means' anything at all really, just sharing my thoughts.

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A separate thought I have is about WW only saying the word 'no' repeatedly - resisting Tostee, obviously, I wonder if she screamed/shrieked as well. The fact that she continued saying no until she fell makes me think she was continuing to resist him physically up until until the time of her fall.

Like others have said, why say 'no' if you are making a proactive decision to climb away? If I she was free to make that choice (I don't think she was), to whom is she saying "no" and why?