FFC apparently did some stalking as well!
Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sep 2014 - #72
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On what grounds would Police have bugged this home?Yes, I think we have worked out it all depends on what the Journalist wishes to put in quotation marks. We have a few conflicting quotes.
Another example of different views provided by the Journalist.....
"The court heard that the foster mother at one point called a friend and allegedly said 'I need to break her', with police having a strong case for the charges because of audio surveillance in the home at the time."
William Tyrrell's foster mum in court over allegations she hit girl
William Tyrrell's foster mum has been refused an application to have charges she allegedly hit, kicked and intimidated a ten-year-old girl to be heard on mental health grounds.www.dailymail.co.uk
Didn’t the MFC and FFC move to a new home, so unlikely to be bugs used as part of the initial WT investigation?
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I don't think the word suspect has been used by police in relation to any person in this case. AFAIK, they have only ever used the term person of interest.
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Evidence? Police may have evidence that we are not privy to? And warranted suspicion ???
Police would have had to apply in writing for a Judge to authorise a warrant to install a listening device and to record ….
View - NSW legislation
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This is not strictly correct …. As per the media links below…
The FM was not announced as the POI until after the search commenced, and long after the FGM car was seized by Police …
The announcement of the search was November 15, 2021.
Hundreds of police officers will descend on the NSW Mid North Coast, hoping a massive high-intensity search based on new leads and evidence will help find missing boy William Tyrrell.
The FGM Car was seized by a week before by Police, on the 9th November, and media only published this on the 15th November, 2021.
Strike Force Rosann detectives seized a car (pictured) from a home at Gymea in Sydney's south on November 9
William Tyrrell car seized by cops was 'driven by foster mother'
A grey Mazda which once belonged to William's late foster grandmother was allegedly used by his foster mother near the spot on the NSW mid north coast where the toddler disappeared.
Last week, police seized the Mazda 3 that William’s foster-grandmother drove at the time of his disappearance.
William Tyrrell’s foster-mother a person of interest as foster-grandmother’s car seized
It comes as investigations narrow in on whether William fatally fell from the second-storey balcony of his foster grandmother’s home in Kendall on NSW’s Mid North Coast.
FM was named a POI on the 17 November, 2021.
William Tyrrell’s foster-mother has emerged as the one person of interest in his disappearance from his foster-grandmother’s home on the NSW Mid North Coast in 2014.
Police Commissioner Mick Fuller on Tuesday said there was one person of interest in the investigation. Multiple police sources, not authorised to speak on the record, have confirmed the person of interest is William’s foster-mother.
William Tyrrell’s foster-mother a person of interest as foster-grandmother’s car seized
It comes as investigations narrow in on whether William fatally fell from the second-storey balcony of his foster grandmother’s home in Kendall on NSW’s Mid North Coast.
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Found this too from https://www.gotocourt.com.au/criminal-law/nsw/listening-devices-new-south-wales/Evidence? Police may have evidence that we are not privy to? And warranted suspicion ???
Police would have had to apply in writing for a Judge to authorise a warrant to install a listening device and to record ….
View - NSW legislation
legislation.nsw.gov.au
Police powers
A law enforcement officer or police officer can use a listening device in the following circumstances:- There is an imminent threat of serious violence to a person or an imminent threat of substantial damage to property;
- A serious narcotics offence is being committed or will be committed;
- The circumstances are so serious or of such urgency that use of a listening device is necessary and the circumstances make it impracticable to apply for a warrant;
- The listening device is a body-worn video device, is visible and the officer has produced identification to the parties to the private conversation; or
- The officer has obtained a warrant permitting the use of the listening device in certain circumstances (see below).
Warrants
In most circumstances, a law enforcement officer or police officer who wishes to use a listening device must get the permission of a Judge or a Magistrate in the form of a warrant.An application to use a listening device must be made in writing and set out the reasons for why the use of a listening device is necessary. The application must also be supported by a sworn affidavit. If the application is granted, a warrant is issued authorising the use of the device. The warrant will set out precisely what device(s) can be used and allows the officer(s) to enter certain premises or vehicles – including by breaking in – and the taking of any action that is necessary to conceal the device.
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This is not strictly correct …. As per the media links below…
The FM was not announced as the POI until after the search commenced, and long after the FGM car was seized by Police …
The announcement of the search was November 15, 2021.
Hundreds of police officers will descend on the NSW Mid North Coast, hoping a massive high-intensity search based on new leads and evidence will help find missing boy William Tyrrell.
The FGM Car was seized by a week before by Police, on the 9th November, and media only published this on the 15th November, 2021.
Strike Force Rosann detectives seized a car (pictured) from a home at Gymea in Sydney's south on November 9
William Tyrrell car seized by cops was 'driven by foster mother'
A grey Mazda which once belonged to William's late foster grandmother was allegedly used by his foster mother near the spot on the NSW mid north coast where the toddler disappeared.
Last week, police seized the Mazda 3 that William’s foster-grandmother drove at the time of his disappearance.
William Tyrrell’s foster-mother a person of interest as foster-grandmother’s car seized
It comes as investigations narrow in on whether William fatally fell from the second-storey balcony of his foster grandmother’s home in Kendall on NSW’s Mid North Coast.www.smh.com.au
FM was named a POI on the 17 November, 2021.
William Tyrrell’s foster-mother has emerged as the one person of interest in his disappearance from his foster-grandmother’s home on the NSW Mid North Coast in 2014.
Police Commissioner Mick Fuller on Tuesday said there was one person of interest in the investigation. Multiple police sources, not authorised to speak on the record, have confirmed the person of interest is William’s foster-mother.
William Tyrrell’s foster-mother a person of interest as foster-grandmother’s car seized
It comes as investigations narrow in on whether William fatally fell from the second-storey balcony of his foster grandmother’s home in Kendall on NSW’s Mid North Coast.
Except the police had already announced about their POI "who had been previously ruled out" in September. The only people that had been ruled out were the families.
And judging by the "fake news" response, people knew who the police were speaking of.
MAJOR BREAKTHROUGH: Twist ‘shines totally new complexion’ on William Tyrrell case
It’s been almost seven years since the three-year-old went missing from his foster grandmother’s home in NSW.
7news.com.au
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Police didn’t name a POI ….. in September…. Nor did the media…Except the police had already announced about their POI "who had been previously ruled out" in September. The only people that had been ruled out were the families.
And judging by the "fake news" response, people knew who the police were speaking of.
MAJOR BREAKTHROUGH: Twist ‘shines totally new complexion’ on William Tyrrell case
It’s been almost seven years since the three-year-old went missing from his foster grandmother’s home in NSW.
At the time, I took the “fake news” to mean that Police hadn’t discussed the case with them recently about the new POI ….
In hindsight, was the “fake news” a guilty conscience???
IMO
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Again, my post says .... "Except the police had already announced about their POI "who had been previously ruled out" in September. The only people that had been ruled out were the families."
Have we heard anything further on this Charge which, as quoted below, was to return to Court in June?
William Tyrrell's foster mother pleads not guilty to lying
“William Tyrrell's foster mother has pleaded not guilty to giving false or misleading information to the NSW Crime Commission over an unknown matter.
She has maintained her innocence and will fight the charge when it returns to court in June. The maximum sentence for misleading the body is five years in prison.”
William Tyrrell's foster mother pleads not guilty to lying
“William Tyrrell's foster mother has pleaded not guilty to giving false or misleading information to the NSW Crime Commission over an unknown matter.
She has maintained her innocence and will fight the charge when it returns to court in June. The maximum sentence for misleading the body is five years in prison.”
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Interesting that the FM is justifying the 'alleged' assault by blaming it on the child's behavior yet it seems her teachers have provided a completely different version. I wonder if both foster children were attending the same school.
A prosecutor opposed the “misbehaving” claims, telling the court the child’s “past and current” school teachers provided an “opposing opinion”.
A prosecutor opposed the “misbehaving” claims, telling the court the child’s “past and current” school teachers provided an “opposing opinion”.
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FM's case had a mention in early June. It will go before a two day hearing on Nov 3 & 4.
FD's hearing has been set for October 12 & 13.
William Tyrrell's foster dad lengthy court trial
William Tyrrell's foster dad to face lengthy two day-hearing for allegedly lying in a secret NSW Crime Commission hearing after 'unsolved homicide' squad charged him in January.
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I think it is the police who are claiming the problematic behaviour. Perhaps something they heard on their audio surveillance device(s)?
I don't think we have heard anything from the defence yet ... except that FM & FD will both plead not guilty (and, of course, FM's mental health submission).
"Police claim the couple was attempting to intervene in the child's "problematic behaviour".
Details of the police allegations were revealed after several media organisations successfully mounted a challenge in the Supreme Court to lift the suppression order."
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Thank you SAFM's case had a mention in early June. It will go before a two day hearing on Nov 3 & 4.
FD's hearing has been set for October 12 & 13.
William Tyrrell's foster dad lengthy court trial
William Tyrrell's foster dad to face lengthy two day-hearing for allegedly lying in a secret NSW Crime Commission hearing after 'unsolved homicide' squad charged him in January.
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Thank God for the audio surveillance or this lie may have been accepted.
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what a traumatic time for the new foster child - another new family for them to be shuffled on to. what a mess. MOO
This Media Article was published in February 2022:
JMO – Noted (as below) that FFC and MFC were apparently estranged at that time. Usually this would be entirely their own business, but the basis for those marriage difficulties could have resulted from their developing attitudes toward each other in connection with the circumstances around William's disappearance; the ensuing charges in connection with lying to the state's secretive Crime Commission: FD's hearing that has been set for October 12 & 13 / FM's case will go before a two day hearing on Nov 3 & 4, may reveal more relevant and pertinent information.
https://www.news.com.au/national/ns...e/news-story/e110519073fb1797cb84c2e8d1dbd736
BBM - “William Tyrrell’s foster mum is facing a fresh charge, separate to the assault of a child charge she and her estranged partner pleaded not guilty to last year.”
“The fresh charge is expected to be addressed in conjunction with existing matters."
JMO – Noted (as below) that FFC and MFC were apparently estranged at that time. Usually this would be entirely their own business, but the basis for those marriage difficulties could have resulted from their developing attitudes toward each other in connection with the circumstances around William's disappearance; the ensuing charges in connection with lying to the state's secretive Crime Commission: FD's hearing that has been set for October 12 & 13 / FM's case will go before a two day hearing on Nov 3 & 4, may reveal more relevant and pertinent information.
https://www.news.com.au/national/ns...e/news-story/e110519073fb1797cb84c2e8d1dbd736
BBM - “William Tyrrell’s foster mum is facing a fresh charge, separate to the assault of a child charge she and her estranged partner pleaded not guilty to last year.”
“The fresh charge is expected to be addressed in conjunction with existing matters."
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