Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sep 2014 - #72

[sleepinoz]

IMO it's a bit like BS being charged by SFR for historical charges, no it's not related, but maybe the Police think that if they put the pressure on they might just get answers. All MOO.

 

[sleepinoz]

Just throwing this out there:

Do we know for certain that the foster father was parked for the duration of his work call? Might he have been driving for a portion of it if, say, he was running behind schedule?

The deleted texts, perhaps those texts were exchanged that morning, between the foster parents. (Maybe she deleted hers while parked where the driver saw her and he deleted his while in the bathroom.)

The foster grandmother seemed to think the foster father already knew Wm was missing when he arrived, and deleted texts might explain that. I don't think he's responsible for Wm's disappearance, full stop. Maybe he lied about what he knew and when he knew it.

I think that the mystery car/s heard by neighbors were most logically the foster family cars (in particular the foster grandma's car, driven by the foster mother). Perhaps she returned from her drive, but before turning in, headed back out. Perhaps realizing she had something else to discard. In other words, she could've driven straight to the foster grandma's drive, paused, made the U-turn and headed back out to get rid of, say, Wm's shoes, and it was this leg of her journey where the other driver encountered her. (And that could mean that the first leg of that journey could've been in a different direction altogether. One where no one saw her, or came forward with information about.)

JMO

We have to assume that the Police have checked where/when and for how long the FF was at the time, they have NOT named him as a POI and have said that his "alibi" checks out. All MOO

 

[FromGermany1]

Where did FA go with the little boy? What little boy was it? Whose car did he take? Did he take a woman and a little boy, or did he take RP and a little boy?

What if RP took FA, a woman and a little boy to a location 300km away? RP didn't want to uncover the woman for some reasons, and FA didn't have to uncover RP, when he complained about the money, the woman didn't pay.

 

[Awakening]

If the residents of Benaroon Drive noticed strange cars because they were so infrequent, then it's possible seeing FGM's car (driven by FM) wouldn't necessarily register with them, as it's presumably a car they would see regularly.

 

[Chrissy74]

If the residents of Benaroon Drive noticed strange cars because they were so infrequent, then it's possible seeing FGM's car (driven by FM) wouldn't necessarily register with them, as it's presumably a car they would see regularly.

Makes sense

 

[Mauig’ma]

No, but if he was in Lakewood from shortly after 9 until 10:19, how was he operating a car in Benaroon Drive between 9:40 and 10:15?

His cell phone pings it was close to home at that time , doesn’t it?

 

[Chrissy74]

Ok so why do you think FA was at Benaroon Dr that morning nightrider17? Surely police have investigated this theory thoroughly, asking neighbours if they knew FA or had expected him to come to their home that morning.
Another theory on here is that he may have gone to fgm house in place of GO who he sometimes worked with. Surely GO was grilled by police and at the inquest if this assumption had any truth to it.

Ok so why do you think FA was at Benaroon Dr that morning nightrider17? Surely police have investigated this theory thoroughly, asking neighbours if they knew FA or had expected him to come to their home that morning.
Another theory on here is that he may have gone to fgm house in place of GO who he sometimes worked with. Surely GO was grilled by police and at the inquest if this assumption had any truth to it.

S

FA definetly is a significant POI.

Everyone who has dealings with him have found him to be unsavoury. JMO

Chrissy74 that explanation really puts into question if that car heard by the Crabbs could pull off the abduction in the time and fit in with what they heard.

You have illuminated that while this car may have had opportunity - was it actually possible considering they said it moved on - quickly.

I guess the context of what time this was may have some relevance. Was it the FFC returning with the FFGM car after her car ride. JMO

Yes Nightrider that’s the question we would all love to know the answer to. Sorry for my rant on your previous post. Clearly I didn’t read it properly and went off on a tangent. But in response to that post I also agree with your statement about his unsavoury character

 

[nightrider17]

Mr Crabb said he heard the car 10mins after getting home ( got home 09:30-09:35 ) so 09:40 -09:45

Mrs Crabb said 40 mins after getting home so 10:10 - 10:15

Could this be the FFGM car leaving and returning. Leaving at 9.45 returning 10.10. JMO

 

[nightrider17]

Sorry Chrissy74 - I think you continually raise valid points and you also pick in-between possible theories to tease apart if they are indeed valid and I think you seem to have a keen eye for detail.

My consideration of FA as a POI is just that - a POI I don't have any way to convincingly link him to the property at the same time as W's disappearance - which obviously makes the theory on shaky grounds.

He fits other criteria of previous form and potentially not being able to account for his whereabouts. He seems to be someone that raises suspicions with multiple people who have dealings with him.

So while he is someone I could consider - based on past performance, my leaning is still towards FFC just based on more questions marks she raises for me at this point.

I hope Chrissy74 I have answered why I was thinking along those lines - you have given me some points to ponder though. JMO

 

[SouthAussie]

Mr Crabb said he heard the car 10mins after getting home ( got home 09:30-09:35 ) so 09:40 -09:45

Mrs Crabb said 40 mins after getting home so 10:10 - 10:15

Could this be the FFGM car leaving and returning. Leaving at 9.45 returning 10.10. JMO

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" ..... recalling that he turned to his wife when he heard the car, saying: 'That could be the postie.' " link


I think it is more likely that they (one or both of them) just has their times mixed up.
It seems to me that everyone was guesstimating what time things happened, based on the last time they were aware of the time and what they had done since then.
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[SouthAussie]

If the residents of Benaroon Drive noticed strange cars because they were so infrequent, then it's possible seeing FGM's car (driven by FM) wouldn't necessarily register with them, as it's presumably a car they would see regularly.

My house is set back from the road ... about 30 metres, at a guess. And my street is a quiet 'dead end' street, a culdesac. My living room windows face the front. Similar to homes on Benaroon Drive.

I do not notice cars driving on the street. Unless I happen to be looking out of my front window or am in the front garden.

The only car movement I notice (from inside the house) is a next door neighbour's teenage son's 'hot car' because it is loud, and another close neighbour when they get home because they slam their van doors quite loudly, then their dog barks with excitement that they are home.

I personally think it is probable that a car/some cars could have driven that street that morning and not have been noticed by anyone.

imo

 

[JLZ]

His cell phone pings it was close to home at that time , doesn’t it?

I wish I knew. The thing is, he was close to home in Lakewood, though it's a ten minute drive. I have an idea that a call from Benaroon Drive would register as connecting to a tower in Middle Brother, and looking at the map, I think Lakewood might do the same.

 

[Megnut]

Mr Crabb said he heard the car 10mins after getting home ( got home 09:30-09:35 ) so 09:40 -09:45

Mrs Crabb said 40 mins after getting home so 10:10 - 10:15

Could this be the FFGM car leaving and returning. Leaving at 9.45 returning 10.10. JMO

Yes! This!

I think it's very possible. I think too that the foster mother was driving aggressively... which may have given a different sound to it. I wonder how often the foster grandma drove, her habits of late. Entirely possible the foster mother didn't leave just once....

JMO

 

[Megnut]

Also possible they heard the foster father coming and going. They wouldn't have known that their neighbor (the foster grandma) had company.

JMO

 

[SouthAussie]

I wish I knew. The thing is, he was close to home in Lakewood, though it's a ten minute drive. I have an idea that a call from Benaroon Drive would register as connecting to a tower in Middle Brother, and looking at the map, I think Lakewood might do the same.

This is from CO ....

""There was a mobile phone tower, which would have told police who was in town - because it's a really small town - but it was capturing data from the freeway that was nearby, so it's nearly impossible to download everything."

‘Something evil’ happened to William Tyrrell (around the 3:50 min mark in the video in the article)


Also (IMO) being a single tower, they would have been unable to triangulate the pings, to tell more precisely where each phone was. They would likely have relied on additional CCTV to follow FD's (or anyone's) movements.


From Jubes book ..... "31 July 2018 .... we've interviewed 263 local residents, collected CCTV from 12 businesses in Kendall and 169 cameras beyond it and received reports of over 2,000 different sightings of William from around the planet".
I Catch Killers, Kindle version, page 311, chapter Is Everyone Happy?
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[drsleuth]

Yes! This!

I think it's very possible. I think too that the foster mother was driving aggressively... which may have given a different sound to it. I wonder how often the foster grandma drove, her habits of late. Entirely possible the foster mother didn't leave just once....

JMO

Doesn't really fit with the time of the last photo thou ( which I believe is correct IMO ) taken @ 09:37

IMO I tend to believe Mrs Crabb's timeline is correct, as they had gotten home & prepared a meal before going & sitting out on their back deck from memory

 

[JLZ]

This is from CO ....

""There was a mobile phone tower, which would have told police who was in town - because it's a really small town - but it was capturing data from the freeway that was nearby, so it's nearly impossible to download everything."

‘Something evil’ happened to William Tyrrell (around the 3:50 min mark in the video in the article)


Also (IMO) being a single tower, they would have been unable to triangulate the pings, to tell more precisely where each phone was. They would likely have relied on additional CCTV to follow FD's (or anyone's) movements.


From Jubes book ..... "31 July 2018 .... we've interviewed 263 local residents, collected CCTV from 12 businesses in Kendall and 169 cameras beyond it and received reports of over 2,000 different sightings of William from around the planet".
I Catch Killers, Kindle version, page 311, chapter Is Everyone Happy?
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I don't read that as saying there's only one tower that connects with Kendall.

I don't how to search for 2014, but there are a number of towers now that cover the area.

Limiting myself to the nearest Telstra towers (IMO the foster parents used Telstra phones) the nearest towers to Benaroon Drive, in order, are these:
12 Comboyne Street Kendall (Kendall shops, near the post office)--small cell only
Lot 39 Grey Gum Ridge Road Middle Brother
12 Hoschke Road West Haven (WH is between Lakewood and Laurieton)

And the nearest Telstra towers to the Lakewood shops are:
12 Hoschke Road West Haven
2 The Boulevarde Dunbogan
12 Comboyne St Kendall--small cell as noted above
Jolly Nose Hill Camp Ridge Rd Queens Lake State Forest Jolly Nose
Lot 39 Grey Gum Ridge Road Middle Brother

Radio Frequency National Site Archive (The P icon on the left side means proposed--so I haven't included those locations.)

 

[JLZ]

What if RP took FA, a woman and a little boy to a location 300km away? RP didn't want to uncover the woman for some reasons, and FA didn't have to uncover RP, when he complained about the money, the woman didn't pay.

But what would be the point of complaining to Iris Northam's husband? He wasn't a policeman. Apparently FA didn't identify the woman, so what benefit to RP or even himself could he expect to reap from the complaint?

 

[SouthAussie]

I don't read that as saying there's only one tower that connects with Kendall.

I don't how to search for 2014, but there are a number of towers now that cover the area.

Limiting myself to the nearest Telstra towers (IMO the foster parents used Telstra phones) the nearest towers to Benaroon Drive, in order, are these:
12 Comboyne Street Kendall (Kendall shops, near the post office)--small cell only
Lot 39 Grey Gum Ridge Road Middle Brother
12 Hoschke Road West Haven (WH is between Lakewood and Laurieton)

And the nearest Telstra towers to the Lakewood shops are:
12 Hoschke Road West Haven
2 The Boulevarde Dunbogan
12 Comboyne St Kendall--small cell as noted above
Jolly Nose Hill Camp Ridge Rd Queens Lake State Forest Jolly Nose
Lot 39 Grey Gum Ridge Road Middle Brother

Radio Frequency National Site Archive (The P icon on the left side means proposed--so I haven't included those locations.)

Yes, I think there were fewer towers in 2014. One day I will look back for our previous discussions.

I guess what I am wondering is .. if they did a tower dump on one tower (which is the impression I get) then how would they triangulate with other towers (if any other towers could receive the local pings, distance and/or obstacle-wise)?

Can they triangulate using other towers if they don't do a tower dump from them? Is there some other way that would do that? I don't know the answer.

imo

 

[Detective Willy]

Abbott is currently in prison for sex offences against three boys, as per this March 2020 article by CO.

William Tyrrell inquest: ‘I didn’t want Frank Abbott near my kids’

FA did not kidnap and kill any of them though.

Nobody can confirm that FA was anywhere near Benaroon Drive the morning that William went missing.

Why are the FC's facing charges for lying to the Crime Commission?
Why are there so many inconsistencies in things that have been said by FC's?

There is no doubt that FA is a despicable human and an easy person to "accuse".

Police are not stupid though and I think FA is stupid and that is why he is in jail. Police would have had him at the top of the list of undesirables.

His movements would have been investigated closely and he would have been charged if he was involved IMO.