Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #23

[sosocurious]

Something is off with that report too IMO. Wondering if that really is DN's old house at Kendall? Look at the footage at the 14.23 to 14.33 mark. There is a distinguishable building to the right of frame (white, steep roof line). I'm really reluctant to say where that house proclaimed by ACA to be DN's old place and the white neighbouring building is in Kendall, but I can tell you it's nowhere near Kendall Community Preschool (more like a kilometre away). The reporter stated at around the 14:12 to 14:20 mark in the video that DN's old house 'backed onto' the local preschool (made everyone's skin crawl...yes!). Doesn't make sense. How did I know where that white building is? I have some family at Laurieton and I've been to Kendall. I knew I'd seen that building somewhere! Just bear in mind, these are private residences now and unconnected to all of this and their privacy needs to be respected. I'd be peeved off having my place shown on TV. Hope I haven't overstepped the mark. Been really reluctant to post this (scared of compromising the investigation or something!). Have even asked ACA for clarification via email (twice) way back in March, but they won't answer me. Tactics?...mistake...bad reporting?, I don't know

Yes I would be peeved of having my place shown on TV.

 

[Hbayne]

Yes I would be peeved of having my place shown on TV.

Especially in this case

 

[crabstick]

Thats quite a task waiting for the Google car to come past at 50km per hour. (Streetview only goes past, ooh once every couple of years) Considering all these people were branded technophobic, they certainly know what they need to know. To pull the bird means they have anticipated the vehicles impending pass. In that case it is careful planning, unless it is a culdesac or loop. Criminals might take precautionary measures to prevent detection, or was it meant for you on WS?

Admittedly being someone who is reasonably internet orientated, I saw the Google car go past,knowing what the car was, on its return I mooned the camera, but its any time, and in this case, the middle of the day when everyone is at work so vehicles don't block front elevations of houses. I happened to be out the front gardening. Its not easily anticipated, more by chance, in my case, I live in a culdesac, so could see the Google car's impending return.

Pulling the bird, someone must have been following it or similar. Thats a big chance of perfect timing at 50km per hour.

That's likely because it's a Google street car, they get a lot of attention from a lot of people and are difficult to miss. Some people even put little performances on for them when they know one is in town.

Images of a Google street car:

https://www.google.com/search?q=google+street+car&rlz=1C1REZB_enNZ625NZ625&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiruN-Amt7OAhUElZQKHY6eDzYQ_AUICCgB&biw=1366&bih=643

 

[Bohemian]

There is multiple gases used, the older ones are more expensive. Capturing the older gas means rejuvenating an old fridge, or air conditioner. If you have that old unit, then purchasing the old gas could be more expensive than just purchasing a new unit. But if you have the know how, you can revitalise, and or repair old units with the gas from old systems. Lead into gold.
Very potentially cash, and tax free. The gas has changed because of its impact on the ozone layer. Not sure what the large whitegoods retailers do with those fridges they take off your hands when you buy a new fridge.

It also changed because of the toxicity to fridgies. Just one example:

Cardiotoxicity of Freon among refrigeration services workers: comparative cross-sectional study
Environmental Health. 2009; 8: 31.
Published online 2009 Jul 13. doi: 10.1186/1476-069X-8-31
PMCID: PMC2722587
Laila ME Sabik, Reem A Abbas
pp 111-4

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2722587/

NB Freon is a trademarked name. It's used for a number of products including chloroflurocarbons (yes CFCs):

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freon

 

[asac]

Thats quite a task waiting for the Google car to come past at 50km per hour. (Streetview only goes past, ooh once every couple of years) Considering all these people were branded technophobic, they certainly know what they need to know. To pull the bird means they have anticipated the vehicles impending pass. In that case it is careful planning, unless it is a culdesac or loop. Criminals might take precautionary measures to prevent detection, or was it meant for you on WS?

Admittedly being someone who is reasonably internet orientated, I saw the Google car go past,knowing what the car was, on its return I mooned the camera, but its any time, and in this case, the middle of the day when everyone is at work so vehicles don't block front elevations of houses. I happened to be out the front gardening. Its not easily anticipated, more by chance, in my case, I live in a culdesac, so could see the Google car's impending return.

Pulling the bird, someone must have been following it or similar. Thats a big chance of perfect timing at 50km per hour.

I was thinking more of the people who stage 'fake murders' for the cameras etc. Flipping the bird doesn't take too much planning or preparation. Maybe they'd already seen the car in the area, maybe they can see it coming from a distance, maybe it's not a 50km zone. Who knows. It's just that it's not unusual for people to react to the cameras.

 

[sosocurious]

Especially in this case

The same thing happened when AJ car was towed away .... the house across the road was the headline.

 

[crabstick]

Streetview forms a small part of digital image intelligence gathering councils and government departments use for gathering intel on people with rogue renovations, hoarding large quantities of items, or car wrecks etc.

Maybe someone wanted an extra room to store their higher items for sale?

"Tell em they're dreaming!" -- Darryl Kerrigan [The Castle] (When discussing the price of jousting sticks in the newspaper classifieds at the kitchen dining table)

 

[sosocurious]

Defence lawyer Stephen Wright told the court that Jones had not been taking his medication for a mental health condition and had been drinking to excess at the time of the offences.
“He is deeply ashamed of what he has done,” Mr Wright said.
Mr Wright acknowledged Jones “has an extensive criminal history but not for offences such as these”..........................

The sentence was reduced to take into account that Jones’ early pleas of guilty had “utilitarian value” within the justice system.
Judge Flannery also considered that Jones has been held in protective custody for 12 months prior to sentencing. Jones has told the court “12 months felt like three years” under the strict contact conditions and only up to one hour of exercise per day.
Jones will become eligible for parole on 26 September 2016.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...d/news-story/1be3e310268cd03272fffaf31997d89a

7 September back in court.
Evidently, facing 5 rape charges.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Don't want to change direction from the current topic of discussion but I thought this may be of interest regarding Indigenous People/Aboriginal kinship structures, given the relationships and 'complex family histories' of KL, MS et al:

http://www.workingwithatsi.info/content/key_ideas4.htm

I did a unit of 'Aboriginal Studies' as part of my HSC; particularly focussing on the 'taken' or 'stolen' generations. I thought it may come in handy up the track to aid cultural understanding.

A basic principle of this system in traditional societies is the equivalence of same-sex siblings. According to this principle, people who are of the same sex and belong to the same sibling line
are viewed as essentially the same. Thus two brothers are considered to be equivalent. If one has a child, that child views not only his biological father as father but applies the same term to the father's brother. The same principle applies to two sisters with both being mothers to any child either one bears. As a father's brother is also identified as father, the latter's children will be brothers and sisters, rather than cousins. This system is known as the classificatory system of kinship because all members of the larger group are classified under the relationship terms. There is no need to expand the range of classifications or relationship terms. Several people are identified by an individual within each classification. Thus a person has several fathers, several mothers, and many brothers and sisters.
A mother's brother, being on the same sibling line but of the other sex, is identified as an uncle. A father's sister is an aunt (See Edwards, 1988:48-49, for diagrams illustrating kinship terms).

http://www.workingwithatsi.info/content/key_ideas4.htm

So IF little William is belonging to an Aboriginal family then the brother of his father (IF there is one) would be his "father" also and the sister of his mother (IF there is one) would be his "mother" also. Aha.

 

[Hbayne]

Some of the "players" around Williams case certainly seem to have indigenous relations but I don't think William biologically has any. This is based on my own research and I could be wrong. Just my thoughts.

 

[Makara]

Some of the "players" around Williams case certainly seem to have indigenous relations but I don't think William biologically has any. This is based on my own research and I could be wrong. Just my thoughts.

I agree. There is no evidence that William is of indigenous descent.

 

[crabstick]

Even if you know it is in the area, you have to follow its movement. If the Google car hadn't gone into a culdesac, I wouldn't have been able to time its inevitable passing at 50km per hour without following its impending passing meticulously, even if I was just flipping the bird. They move quick.

Casually standing in the drive for most people, and flipping the bird before even realising it is the Google car is not a casual task while standing casually next to a letterbox in discussion is not a flippant manoeuvre. You would have to be notified from someone else, then wait in the street for the Google car to come. They obviously are aware of its movement.

A lot of people are oblivious to what a Google streetview car is, let alone realising before its impending passing.

Most of the time, its a matter of, "Oh that was the Google car, I didnt get to flip the bird", if you are that mindful that a Google car exists. My mum would say "What is a Google Streetview car?" Then she would say "What is Streetview?"

Let alone hoping to flip the bird at its random 50km/h passing

I was thinking more of the people who stage 'fake murders' for the cameras etc. Flipping the bird doesn't take too much planning or preparation. Maybe they'd already seen the car in the area, maybe they can see it coming from a distance, maybe it's not a 50km zone. Who knows. It's just that it's not unusual for people to react to the cameras.

 

[sosocurious]

Spedding, 65, is facing seven charges of indecent assault children in Victoria between 1983 and 1987.
Police charged him on summons earlier this month.
On Thursday, the magistrate excused Spedding, who lives in regional NSW, from appearing in person..............

Spedding will return to the Ballarat Magistrates Court in October.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-07-...l-spedding-will-try-to-stop-nsw-trial/7669984

I have a question.
Given BS has been charged by summons.
Will bail have to be sought in Victoria when he returns to court in October?
Can you be on bail in 2 states?

 

[crabstick]

And further to the point, until WS, I hadnt even considered that Streetview be used for the matter of criminal investigation. You have to have that mindset. And flipping the bird does indicate, you are aware of how it may impact your criminal activity and maybe people on forums might use it for matters you prefer they not.

If you were in public housing, and you were deriving undeclared income revenue, you would not be happy with Google car passing. Maybe someone gave the game away, not because of their cash income, they obviously don't care about that. It does pay to move around if you are carrying out illegitimate business.

 

[crabstick]

If we had ASIO metadata recording, we may have solved this case a long long time ago

Its a shame so many people are anti the concept, because social media knows more about you than you know about you, and they aint a government department. You pizza franchise probably knows more about you.

 

[crabstick]

Apparently you can be on bail in two states, but you need permission to leave the state. Your reporting conditions would be in the state you reside.

I feel police will put someone in prison, and wait for any other evidence that comes forth later, only to further charge a person when they step to the prison gate exit sign.

Spedding, 65, is facing seven charges of indecent assault children in Victoria between 1983 and 1987.
Police charged him on summons earlier this month.
On Thursday, the magistrate excused Spedding, who lives in regional NSW, from appearing in person..............

Spedding will return to the Ballarat Magistrates Court in October.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-07-...l-spedding-will-try-to-stop-nsw-trial/7669984

I have a question.
Given BS has been charged by summons.
Will bail have to be sought in Victoria when he returns to court in October?
Can you be on bail in 2 states?

 

[sleepinoz]

Spedding, 65, is facing seven charges of indecent assault children in Victoria between 1983 and 1987.
Police charged him on summons earlier this month.
On Thursday, the magistrate excused Spedding, who lives in regional NSW, from appearing in person..............

Spedding will return to the Ballarat Magistrates Court in October.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-07-...l-spedding-will-try-to-stop-nsw-trial/7669984

I have a question.
Given BS has been charged by summons.
Will bail have to be sought in Victoria when he returns to court in October?
Can you be on bail in 2 states?

Yes you can Soso - Gable Tostee was on bail in NSW when Warriena Wright "fell" from his balcony.

He was granted bail in Qld, then appeared in court in NSW - jailed - then returned to face his charges in Qld.
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[Fence Sitter]

Is the new profile pic on bio mums fb Williams sister? I have missed so much!!!

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[Hbayne]

Is the new profile pic on bio mums fb Williams sister? I have missed so much!!!

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Sure looks like William

 

[PainExpress]

Sure looks like William

Funny. She was being discussed in some posts earlier.

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