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My reference is Makara's map where it's clearly marked as #43 where man was mowing lawn:

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I'm trying to help improve the map by suggesting that the location of lawnmowerman was 11, and was not 43 and therefore was not PS.
I am quoting an MSM source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-nearby-forest-hope-finding-alive-fades.html
The key words are "seven years".
Property sales records for the whole street are available on the internet. 43 did not change ownership in 2007. 11 did.
Just trying to help.
 
My reference is Makara's map where it's clearly marked as #43 where man was mowing lawn:

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Makara do you recall what led you to believe that PS was also lawnmower man?
 
Last year I tried to look as best as I could at the bush behind 35 Benaroon Dr. All the back boundaries on that side of the street adjoin the 1 property on Batar Creek rd, with what I think is a creepy house, in the bush. Most Benaroon homes look like they have a back fence but I can't see one on 35. I have wondered if there is a track big enough to fit a car. MOO

What about the gated bush track, adjacent to #48 and next to Lot 43? Where does that go? #43 is the last residence on that side of the road but there is an empty Lot 43 (subdivision) adjoining it. Can you drive through Lot 43 to get to the Batar Creek house?

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Just btw. Historical US kidnapping case by a child sex offender:

Steven Stayner

'Steven Gregory Stayner (April 18, 1965 – September 17, 1989) was an American kidnap victim. Stayner was abducted from the Central California city and county of Merced, California at the age of seven by child molester Kenneth Parnell, and held until he was 14, when he escaped and rescued another of Parnell's victims, Timothy White, in 1980. Stayner died in 1989 in a motorcycle accident while driving home from work.'

Kidnapping

'(Unbeknownst to Stayner, Parnell's cabin was located only several hundred feet from his maternal grandfather's residence.)'

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Stayner

Timothy White

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_White_(abduction_victim)

Kenneth Parnell

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_Parnell
 
I think both of those on that site are for the 'lot' (note the price).. also, I'm not seeing 'sold', so perhaps just put up on the market for sale, but not sold?

Look up on property listings sites to see if #43 and Lot 43 have both been sold. I'm pretty sure they have been; one sooner than the other and at a much reduced price for the latter.
 
I'm trying to help improve the map by suggesting that the location of lawnmowerman was 11, and was not 43 and therefore was not PS.
I am quoting an MSM source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-nearby-forest-hope-finding-alive-fades.html
The key words are "seven years".
Property sales records for the whole street are available on the internet. 43 did not change ownership in 2007. 11 did.
Just trying to help.

Yeah, I know, koios, and I don't doubt your intention. Please excuse my abrupt attitude at times.

Please read my subsequent post. I do agree with you about Mower Man's address.

Re property listings, I just wanted to know if there's a current, centralised website where I can search the whole of Benaroon Drive like oldlistings (website I posted above):

http://www.oldlistings.com.au/real-estate/NSW/Kendall/2439/buy/1/BENAROON

Thank you for your insight and eye for detail. Fresh eyes and minds definitely help.
 
Forgot to say I totally understand how a misconception could come about. You are correct about '7 years ago' being a clue to Mower Man's address, which means a property last purchased in 2007 (as of 2014). Therefore #11 rather than #43.

Could you provide the link where you looked up past property histories, please koios?
Here is link for house 11 sale 2007 (click "full history") http://www.onthehouse.com.au/2485257/11_benaroon_dr_kendall_nsw_2439
For house 43 it is more difficult because of confusion with unbuilt lot 43 (house numbering is different to lot numbering) and I forget which sites I used for that.
Also I found unloadingshoppingfromcarlady 9, and notdrinkingcoffeeonverandalady 21.
 
Here is link for house 11 sale 2007 (click "full history") http://www.onthehouse.com.au/2485257/11_benaroon_dr_kendall_nsw_2439
For house 43 it is more difficult because of confusion with unbuilt lot 43 (house numbering is different to lot numbering) and I forget which sites I used for that.
Also I found unloadingshoppingfromcarlady 9, and notdrinkingcoffeeonverandalady 21.

Thank you koios x

'unloadingshoppingfromcarlady 9, and notdrinkingcoffeeonverandalady 21.' :silly:
 
Here is link for house 11 sale 2007 (click "full history") http://www.onthehouse.com.au/2485257/11_benaroon_dr_kendall_nsw_2439
For house 43 it is more difficult because of confusion with unbuilt lot 43 (house numbering is different to lot numbering) and I forget which sites I used for that.
Also I found unloadingshoppingfromcarlady 9, and notdrinkingcoffeeonverandalady 21.

Some houses in more rural areas are numbered using distance:
6.4.1 Distance Based Numbering System
The system for determining address numbers in rural and semi-rural areas is based on the distance of the
access point from the road datum point (refer to Principle 6.2.2 - Datum Point). This distance is measured
in metres and then divided by 10 - after which the number is then rounded to the nearest odd number (for
points on the left side of the road from the datum point), or nearest even number (for points on the right
side of the road)
http://www.gnb.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0007/199411/NSW_addressing_user_manual_online.pdf
 
Agreed..... I was proposing that 'facts' be considered only when direct quotes are printed (or heard in an interview for which there is video coverage so that we can all have a listen and look and ensure that we all agree that whatever is said, was indeed what was said), ie by specifically having the " quote marks. MSM can't really put things into their own words when they are directly quoting what someone said, and if they get it wrong, I think there would be grief and they would have to change it or delete it. So in my scenario of what I was proposing, in regard to 'facts' from print media, none of their stuff would be considered 'facts' unless it was directly quoted by someone, preferably someone in the know. For example, a neighbour that saw something, or can say that they were told something by someone, or a searcher that heard something, or an officer who said something, etc. But say there was a neighbour who said that another neighbour told them that THEY were told something by FM... wouldn't count as 'fact' because it would be third hand, ie nobody that actually heard the words come out of FM's mouth is being quoted in that case, so things could have gotten mixed up along the way somehow. The only 'facts' in print media that would be allowed on our 'facts list' that weren't quoted, would be things that could otherwise be verified, such as say the address from where WT went missing, population of the community, which homes in that community have sold since the disappearance, what the weather was like, etc. That is what I had in mind when I threw it out there for our consideration. I haven't had time yet to start the list off... but I will definitely start it later and see what kind of feedback we get? Does anyone have any other suggestions to add or subtract or change?

Sounds great to me.

'Hearsay' has its uses when you consider someone's statements, ie; could point to inference, motivation, etc, but that could be separate so as not to overly complicate things.
 
Lydene Heslop's quotes from 2 different articles.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...r/news-story/03fb14d003bfb73d3c193b5f6731f74c


Another Benaroon Dr resident, Lydene Heslop, who lives further down the street, had been grocery shopping and *returned home minutes before William vanished.

She saw nothing out of the ordinary when she drove into the street and pulled into her driveway.

She said she was unloading groceries from her car when William was snatched sometime after 10.30am, just metres away from her home where her youngest child was inside.

She said at 11.30am there was a knock on the door and it was Anne-Maree from up the road and William’s mother.

“I didn’t hear anything, so if the person who took him came down Benaroon Dr, they did it without panicking or driving fast or taking off like an idiot, because I would’ve heard,” Ms Heslop said.

“That’s pretty good luck. Especially at 10.30am on a Friday when there should only be one kid on the street, which is mine.”


http://www.aww.com.au/latest-news/news-stories/spiderman-found-in-search-for-william-20934


It was a knock at the door, but instinctively Lydene Heslop knew something was wrong.

“It was so much more than just a knock,” recalls Lydene, a 36-year-old mother of two and volunteer bookkeeper for the local tennis club, on whose accounts she was working at time. “It was hard, insistent, a plea for help. Then I heard the voice of the woman who was knocking and I knew something awful had happened. It was a voice tinged with desperation.”

That voice belonged to the mother of a missing boy, William Tyrell, a three-year-old last seen wearing a blue and red Spiderman outfit, whose disappearance on September 12 last year has baffled NSW police and cast a dark and enduring pall over Kendall, a small and otherwise peaceful rural community on the NSW mid-North Coast.

“The mother and the grandmother were standing at the door. The mother said a little boy was missing, that he was playing in the backyard up the road and hadn’t been seen for about 25 minutes or so,” says Lydene. “She asked if I’d seen him, but of course, I was inside. I called out to my children, who were playing out the back, and asked if they’d seen him, but they hadn’t and then all three of us started searching through the front yard, the side of the house and the backyard and the bush that borders the properties around here.

“The mother had this haunted look on her face. I remember thinking that was how I would look if one of my children went missing. At one point, we all stopped to listen because he was only a little boy and if he was in the bush, then it wouldn’t have been long before he stopped and started crying. We didn’t hear a thing except the wind in the trees.”
 
@Makara to find number for lawnmowerman the clue is the 7 yrs. Then search property sales history of street. That is why I think it's 11 (not the person and number you mention).

Thanks koios, excellent sleuthing.

Makara do you recall what led you to believe that PS was also lawnmower man?

Paul Savage was named as the man mowing his lawn in an MSM article over a year ago. I was surprised to see that his full name was published at the time and it stuck in my mind. I've searched and searched for that particular article but can't find it. :banghead:
 
Some houses in more rural areas are numbered using distance:
6.4.1 Distance Based Numbering System
The system for determining address numbers in rural and semi-rural areas is based on the distance of the
access point from the road datum point (refer to Principle 6.2.2 - Datum Point). This distance is measured
in metres and then divided by 10 - after which the number is then rounded to the nearest odd number (for
points on the left side of the road from the datum point), or nearest even number (for points on the right
side of the road)
http://www.gnb.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0007/199411/NSW_addressing_user_manual_online.pdf

Thanks Inspector x

I think that Lot 43 maybe the vacant block between #43 and #51, divided from #43 by the bush track. So Lot 43 may, and #51 is, opposite #48's (FGM's former home's) frontage on the carport side. It was overgrown when William disappeared but richieswan has recently posted an updated photo after the land was 'cleared'.

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place...2!3m1!1s0x6b75e451b77df6d9:0xf45400a60c204b4f

Still looking...BBL
 
Thanks koios, excellent sleuthing.



Paul Savage was named as the man mowing his lawn in an MSM article over a year ago. I was surprised to see that his full name was published at the time and it stuck in my mind. I've searched and searched for that particular article but can't find it.
:banghead:

Neighbour Paul Savage was one of the first to start searching for William after his frantic neighbour screamed that he was missing.
"If he had wandered, he would have been found," Savage says.
"When I go for a walk you still find yourself keeping an eye out, hoping for a scream or a yell and not a horrible smell.
"I don't know how his family has coped, it must be torture for them."
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/missing-william-tyrell-casts-dark-shadow-over-town-20141031-11fbdi.html
 
Never mind. P & H Savage lived at 43 Benaroon Drive:

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http://www.australialookup.com/searchname2.php?sfirst=P&slast=Savage&sstate=NSW

Bit of the 'pot calling the kettle black'. It seems #43 and the adjoining Lot 43 were sold too:

http://www.oldlistings.com.au/real-estate/NSW/Kendall/2439/buy/1/BENAROON

Thanks for the people finder link. Interestingly when I type in the name of the vendor of 35 Benaroon Drive there are no hits. So he either has a silent number, doesn't live in Australia or is deceased.
 
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