Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #27

[Karinna]

[h=3]WHO'S WHO IN WILLIAM TYRRELL'S FAMILY?[/h]William's biological parents were named last week as Karlie Tyrrell and her partner, Brendan.
Brendan's mother, Natalie Collins, is the boy's outspoken grandmother.
Brendan's father was Daryl Clifford.
Daryl and his second partner Karen later had 5SOS guitarist Michael, who would be Brendan's half-brother and William's half-uncle.
William was taken into foster care when he was about nine months old.
His foster parents are from Sydney's north shore.
They have asked to remain anonymous.
William vanished from his foster grandmother's home on September 12, 2014.



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-Karlie-pictured-stays-mum.html#ixzz4spkXtQO3
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BBM, I wish the daily fail would fact check. WT was taken into care at 7 mnths. of age.
https://www.caselaw.nsw.gov.au/decision/58853ecfe4b058596cba36a9

 

[sleepinoz]

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While we are looking at photos is that a can of lemonade?:facepalm:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rrell-s-mother-Karlie-pictured-stays-mum.html

No [emoji848]

 

[sosocurious]

No [emoji848]

Thanks Sleep ...

 

[they'll get you]

WHO'S WHO IN WILLIAM TYRRELL'S FAMILY?

William's biological parents were named last week as Karlie Tyrrell and her partner, Brendan.
Brendan's mother, Natalie Collins, is the boy's outspoken grandmother.
Brendan's father was Daryl Clifford.
Daryl and his second partner Karen later had 5SOS guitarist Michael, who would be Brendan's half-brother and William's half-uncle.
William was taken into foster care when he was about nine months old.
His foster parents are from Sydney's north shore.
They have asked to remain anonymous.
William vanished from his foster grandmother's home on September 12, 2014.



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-Karlie-pictured-stays-mum.html#ixzz4spkXtQO3
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

BBM, I wish the daily fail would fact check. WT was taken into care at 7 mnths. of age.
https://www.caselaw.nsw.gov.au/decision/58853ecfe4b058596cba36a9

Brendan's father was Daryl Clifford

Another typo? WAS? IS?

 

[Bohemian]

:gaah:

 

[louisepiglet]

This article speaks of your question, Bohemian, though it gives no indication of why.


Friends said Ms Tyrrell is not ready to speak about William's disappearance.

Ms Tyrrell said her friend's response was 'nice', telling them she plans to keep quiet about her son's disappearance - even joking she will stay silent 'unless Eminem raps my life story'.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rrell-s-mother-Karlie-pictured-stays-mum.html

BBM Hmm. seems a very light response to the fact her son is missing. Quite juvenile really.

 

[JLZ]

Brendan's father was Daryl Clifford

Another typo? WAS? IS?

Fatherhood seems to be thought of as a passing event. A man says, "I'm about to become a father for the second time." I think, "How sad . . . what happened to the first child?" A woman never says she's becoming a mother for the second time.

 

[they'll get you]

Could this mean there might be an inquest?

THE suppressed identity of William Tyrrell’s biological mother has been revealed after the Supreme Court found the boy was likely to be dead.



Mother Karlie Tyrrell has been unable to talk publicly about the apparent abduction of her child for years because of child protection laws that prohibit identifying a child in foster care.
While unable to speak publicly about the disappearance of William in September 2014, Ms Tyrrell flooded Facebook with a series of grieving posts and photos throughout the years.


In one post, the mother uploaded a picture of herself pregnant with the young boy while the agonising search was still taking place.
William would have turned six years old in June this year.
Hoping desperately that he would be found, Ms Tyrrell nevertheless was unable to go public with appeals to find her missing child.
There’s no suggestion that either William’s biological or foster families were involved in his disappearance or have any knowledge of his whereabouts.
Police have vowed to continue looking for William even though a court has ruled there was a “tragic probability that he is dead”.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...y/news-story/a49290399aa275034d9f565e0191b56e

 

[Bohemian]

Could this mean there might be an inquest?

THE suppressed identity of William Tyrrell’s biological mother has been revealed after the Supreme Court found the boy was likely to be dead.



Mother Karlie Tyrrell has been unable to talk publicly about the apparent abduction of her child for years because of child protection laws that prohibit identifying a child in foster care.
While unable to speak publicly about the disappearance of William in September 2014, Ms Tyrrell flooded Facebook with a series of grieving posts and photos throughout the years.


In one post, the mother uploaded a picture of herself pregnant with the young boy while the agonising search was still taking place.
William would have turned six years old in June this year.
Hoping desperately that he would be found, Ms Tyrrell nevertheless was unable to go public with appeals to find her missing child.
There’s no suggestion that either William’s biological or foster families were involved in his disappearance or have any knowledge of his whereabouts.
Police have vowed to continue looking for William even though a court has ruled there was a “tragic probability that he is dead”.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...y/news-story/a49290399aa275034d9f565e0191b56e

The decision to hold an inquest is made by the NSW Coroner:

http://www.coroners.justice.nsw.gov.au/Pages/about_us/jurisdiction.aspx

Also there are some other provisions in the Coroners Act 2009 No 41:

https://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/#/view/act/2009/41/full

namely, Chapter 7 Powers of Supreme Court:

https://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/#/view/act/2009/41/chap7

 

[sleepinoz]

I wanted to comment on some saying that KT being a young mother was part of the reason she lost 2 of her children.

How young is young in that phrase?

KT was 23 when she had William and 22 when she had his older sister.

Even though many of us consider that young, it's not like some these days as 15 and 16 year old babies having babies.

23 is not what I would consider "very young" to have a child. Most 23yo are ressponsible enough to raise a child.

Even though many of us at our age (cough) consider it too young.

Why do some consider it too young and part of the reason William and his sister were taken into care?

 

[they'll get you]

:goodpost:

Well said sleep.

 

[Bohemian]

And there's this too, tgy:

Chapter 3 Part 3.2
Division 4 When inquest is required to be held

https://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/#/view/act/2009/41/chap3/part3.2/div4

 

[SouthAussie]

I wanted to comment on some saying that KT being a young mother was part of the reason she lost 2 of her children.

How young is young in that phrase?

KT was 23 when she had William and 22 when she had his older sister.

Even though many of us consider that young, it's not like some these days as 15 and 16 year old babies having babies.

23 is not what I would consider "very young" to have a child. Most 23yo are ressponsible enough to raise a child.

Even though many of us at our age (cough) consider it too young.

Why do some consider it too young and part of the reason William and his sister were taken into care?

I didn't realise she was that old. Thanks for the info, sleep.
The way people were talking I thought she was 15 years old or something, when she had her first child. lol

 

[SouthAussie]

Could this mean there might be an inquest?

THE suppressed identity of William Tyrrell’s biological mother has been revealed after the Supreme Court found the boy was likely to be dead.



Mother Karlie Tyrrell has been unable to talk publicly about the apparent abduction of her child for years because of child protection laws that prohibit identifying a child in foster care.
While unable to speak publicly about the disappearance of William in September 2014, Ms Tyrrell flooded Facebook with a series of grieving posts and photos throughout the years.


In one post, the mother uploaded a picture of herself pregnant with the young boy while the agonising search was still taking place.
William would have turned six years old in June this year.
Hoping desperately that he would be found, Ms Tyrrell nevertheless was unable to go public with appeals to find her missing child.
There’s no suggestion that either William’s biological or foster families were involved in his disappearance or have any knowledge of his whereabouts.
Police have vowed to continue looking for William even though a court has ruled there was a “tragic probability that he is dead”.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...y/news-story/a49290399aa275034d9f565e0191b56e

We have been told that there will definitely be an inquest.


An exchange of correspondence, seen by The Australian, confirms that “an inquest will proceed in William’s case” after it was referred to Coroner Michael Barnes for consideration in January 2015. The letters, which represent the first time such a commitment has been made public, caution that any such inquiry will take place only after the current police investigation, which has identified hundreds of “persons of interest”, is complete.

“All coronial matters, not just this matter, take a significant amount of time and resources to proceed to inquest. Some matters can take a few years,” said one of the letters, written by Coroner’s Court registrar Ann Lambino.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...l/news-story/33ee25ca733a981ec54c7a091d1a7cb2
Coroners Pledge On William Tyrrell
January 16, 2017

 

[Karinna]

I wanted to comment on some saying that KT being a young mother was part of the reason she lost 2 of her children.

How young is young in that phrase?

KT was 23 when she had William and 22 when she had his older sister.

Even though many of us consider that young, it's not like some these days as 15 and 16 year old babies having babies.

23 is not what I would consider "very young" to have a child. Most 23yo are ressponsible enough to raise a child.

Even though many of us at our age (cough) consider it too young.

Why do some consider it too young and part of the reason William and his sister were taken into care?

I have not seen it mentioned how old KT was when she first had her children? I consider 22 fairly young to be a parent though. My youngest son is 23 nearly 24 and there is no way i could see him take on that parental responsibility.
And i have not seen it stated anywhere that KT did anything wrong to lose her first two children? She was living in a bad situation with a partner who has substance abuse problems and theft charges and consequent incarcerations. Apart from that what else do we know?
Nothing IMO, and who knows what this is really all about anyway? Not everyone has a perfect life.

 

[Bohemian]

We have been told that there will definitely be an inquest.


An exchange of correspondence, seen by The Australian, confirms that “an inquest will proceed in William’s case” after it was referred to Coroner Michael Barnes for consideration in January 2015. The letters, which represent the first time such a commitment has been made public, caution that any such inquiry will take place only after the current police investigation, which has identified hundreds of “persons of interest”, is complete.

“All coronial matters, not just this matter, take a significant amount of time and resources to proceed to inquest. Some matters can take a few years,” said one of the letters, written by Coroner’s Court registrar Ann Lambino.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...l/news-story/33ee25ca733a981ec54c7a091d1a7cb2
Coroners Pledge On William Tyrrell
January 16, 2017

Yes and DCI Jubelin reiterated in his September 12 presser (link below) that an inquest would be held as soon as all lines of inquiry into William's disappearance were exhausted.

https://www.pscp.tv/w/1LyxBEAvXDaJN

 

[sleepinoz]

I have not seen it mentioned how old KT was when she first had her children? I consider 22 fairly young to be a parent though. My youngest son is 23 nearly 24 and there is no way i could see him take on that parental responsibility.
And i have not seen it stated anywhere that KT did anything wrong to lose her first two children? She was living in a bad situation with a partner who has substance abuse problems and theft charges and consequent incarcerations. Apart from that what else do we know?
Nothing IMO, and who knows what this is really all about anyway? Not everyone has a perfect life.

Her birthday is the same as Williams, she just turned 29.

In early threads there is a news article quoting her when she was 19.

Not hard to work out her age.

 

[SouthAussie]

I wanted to comment on some saying that KT being a young mother was part of the reason she lost 2 of her children.

How young is young in that phrase?

KT was 23 when she had William and 22 when she had his older sister.

Even though many of us consider that young, it's not like some these days as 15 and 16 year old babies having babies.

23 is not what I would consider "very young" to have a child. Most 23yo are ressponsible enough to raise a child.

Even though many of us at our age (cough) consider it too young.

Why do some consider it too young and part of the reason William and his sister were taken into care?

I think the issues were likely far more severe than immaturity, anyway. And definitely not just because the father had problems. Especially if he was not living at the home (in this case, was incarcerated).


The baby boy had been removed from his biological parents — both of whom had encountered problems with police — and placed in the care of foster parents.
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...t/news-story/1f79e414e57cde0d1cfae86cab96115e

 

[sleepinoz]

I think the issues were likely far more severe than immaturity, anyway. And definitely not just because the father had problems. Especially if he was not living at the home (in this case, was incarcerated).


The baby boy had been removed from his biological parents — both of whom had encountered problems with police — and placed in the care of foster parents.
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...t/news-story/1f79e414e57cde0d1cfae86cab96115e

I agree that it wasn't immaturity, I ask because some continually state that it had something to do with it.

I also agree that it's not solely the Bio Dads fault alone, as you have quoted, they both had problems.

I just can't see the continual comments about her age being a factor.

 

[sleepinoz]

William and his older sister was both removed from the family home due to the lack of care Karlie and Brendan afforded them. I have been told this on a few occasions now by family members who have contacted me privately.

When questioned by police as to why she was wandering the streets on a cold winter's night with William not dressed appropriately for the conditions, Karlie retaliated by assaulting the police. And of course there was the danger both William and his older sister were placed in with both their parents being totally irresponsible when it came to they children's care over their own selfish needs for drugs, etc.

I personally don't feel sorry for Karlie or Brendan. I feel sorry for William and his sister who were subjected to the horror of an horrific start to their precious lives. Taking into consideration that Brendan has been in and out of jail on numerous occasions since William's disappearance and he is also the biological father of the two younger children, I'm amazed that those little boys have not also been removed from that toxic environment.

I have been told the same Makara, not the best environment for children.