Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #36

[CuriousCritter]

Could be strategy but I’m not sure how this ‘news’ could relate to the progression of William’s case.

It sounds like tall poppy syndrome to me. Maybe someone with a grudge is doing a bit of white-anting of either Jubes and/or Lambert. A disgruntled colleague or someone else?

Conflict resolution is always a good thing. As ‘they’ say, ‘Life’s too short . . . ‘

It very much could involve the progression of William's case IMO, if other officers theories/suspects won't be looked at or explored, or an officer won't agree it's time for a coronial inquiry etc etc.

 

[Bohemian]

It very much could involve the progression of William's case IMO, if other officers theories/suspects won't be looked at or explored, or an officer won't agree it's time for a coronial inquiry etc etc.

Might do or might not. None of us know (or should know) why the verbal altercation occurred. We’re all just speculating.

 

[sosocurious]

Jubelin did not take over as lead investigator until Jan/Feb 2015. BS home and office had already been searched by then.
I wonder if Craig Lambert was on the case from the beginning (under Hans Rupp)?

Jubelin creative in his search for answers.
Craig wrote the original policy on handling knife attacks on police officers. I wonder what other policies or procedures he may have written? I really thought there would be an office somewhere where a policies and procedures team, wrote, evaluated and updated the manuals for the whole of the NSW police force.

 

[CuriousCritter]

Might do or might not. None of us know (or should know) why the verbal altercation occurred. We’re all just speculating.

Yep we are all certainly speculating and yes as far as I'm concerned we shouldn't of even known this altercation happened. The officer/s who thought it would be ok to tell The Daily Telegraph, should be reprimanded themselves.

One officer told the Daily Telegraph the men took 'hold of each other', while another said papers were thrown to the ground as fiery words were exchanged.

https://www.google.com.au/amp/www.d...tives-come-blows-meeting-missing-toddler.html

 

[frogwell]

The media were there covering the bush search for William. Camera's set up and ready to go.
BS had the respect of a snake, for the media. Why cruise past the search site in the work van, knowing the media would be there? He himself had already stated that he was a person of interest.
imo

If you don't have a guitly conscience, why would you anticipate such a thing, I don't think it's forseeable. MOO

 

[Bohemian]

Yep we are all certainly speculating and yes as far as I'm concerned we shouldn't of even known this altercation happened. The officer/s who thought it would be ok to tell The Daily Telegraph, should be reprimanded themselves.

One officer told the Daily Telegraph the men took 'hold of each other', while another said papers were thrown to the ground as fiery words were exchanged.

https://www.google.com.au/amp/www.d...tives-come-blows-meeting-missing-toddler.html

Agreed. And the DT article I posted earlier said there were varying accounts of what happened, with the official NSWPOL line being that it was a verbal altercation between the two officers and neither they or other staff present had laid a complaint. Office argy-bargy. Happens often, not just in operational briefings but in civilian work environments.

 

[frogwell]

Jubelin did not take over as lead investigator until Jan/Feb 2015. BS home and office had already been searched by then.
I wonder if Craig Lambert was on the case from the beginning (under Hans Rupp)?

Jubelin creative in his search for answers.
Craig wrote the original policy on handling knife attacks on police officers. I wonder what other policies or procedures he may have written? I really thought there would be an office somewhere where a policies and procedures team, wrote, evaluated and updated the manuals for the whole of the NSW police force.

Pure speculation, when leaks start happening, it's often political. Change of the guard? GJ's 1st priority maybe to victims and their families, but I bet that often tests the beuracrats in the department who need to stay within budgets, timings, backlogs, and orthodox procedures. MOO

 

[louisepiglet]

At my workplace there are staff who are required to carry firearms. If they exhibit any actions that involves violence or anger while at work their employment is immediately terminated and they are escorted off the premises. It is concerning that two high ranking police officers who carry guns cannot control their tempers or their fists. Perhaps the staff member who leaked the story felt more action should have been taken over the incident.

 

[Bohemian]

Jubelin did not take over as lead investigator until Jan/Feb 2015. BS home and office had already been searched by then.
I wonder if Craig Lambert was on the case from the beginning (under Hans Rupp)?

Jubelin creative in his search for answers.
Craig wrote the original policy on handling knife attacks on police officers. I wonder what other policies or procedures he may have written? I really thought there would be an office somewhere where a policies and procedures team, wrote, evaluated and updated the manuals for the whole of the NSW police force.

Or Lambert has been seconded to the SF to do paperwork for an upcoming inquest/criminal proceedings?

 

[frogwell]

At my workplace there are staff who are required to carry firearms. If they exhibit any actions that involves violence or anger while at work their employment is immediately terminated and they are escorted off the premises. It is concerning that two high ranking police officers who carry guns cannot control their tempers or their fists. Perhaps the staff member who leaked the story felt more action should have been taken over the incident.

It's not that they can't control their tempers, they're just passionate. I wonder if they accept that as an excuse at scenes of domestics, we are just passionate and having a robust conversation. Fact is, if one put his hands on the other, all other cops in the room have a duty to examine areas of assault, even if neither complain. It's funny to me that if men are seen to fight in this way and neither makes a complaint, police usually turn a blind eye. e.g. James Packer and David Gyngall MOO

 

[Bohemian]

At my workplace there are staff who are required to carry firearms. If they exhibit any actions that involves violence or anger while at work their employment is immediately terminated and they are escorted off the premises. It is concerning that two high ranking police officers who carry guns cannot control their tempers or their fists. Perhaps the staff member who leaked the story felt more action should have been taken over the incident.

Again, a statement by NSWPOL was that it was a verbal confrontation which means no fists were involved, except in the minds of office gossips. If they felt more action was required there are remedies in-house, rather than to go running to a DT reporter.

 

[Bohemian]

It's not that they can't control their tempers, they're just passionate. I wonder if they accept that as an excuse at scenes of domestics, we are just passionate and having a robust conversation. Fact is, if one put his hands on the other, all other cops in the room have a duty to examine areas of assault, even if neither complain. It's funny to me that if men are seen to fight in this way and neither makes a complaint, police usually turn a blind eye. MOO

Bit of a stretch in my mind to extrapolate a verbal altercation between two men and throwing a pile of papers to the ground to ongoing domestic violence against women IMO.

 

[CuriousCritter]

Jubelin did not take over as lead investigator until Jan/Feb 2015. BS home and office had already been searched by then.
I wonder if Craig Lambert was on the case from the beginning (under Hans Rupp)?

Jubelin creative in his search for answers.
Craig wrote the original policy on handling knife attacks on police officers. I wonder what other policies or procedures he may have written? I really thought there would be an office somewhere where a policies and procedures team, wrote, evaluated and updated the manuals for the whole of the NSW police force.

Took over Jan/Feb 2015, but that's not saying he wasn't on the case at all. He may have been lurking in the background the whole time just didn't have the status at the time of being 'BOSS' IMO

 

[frogwell]

Bit of a stretch in my mind to extrapolate a verbal altercation between two men and throwing a pile of papers to the ground to ongoing domestic violence against women IMO.

I think it's a bit 20th century to contain family abuse to violence from man to a woman. It is way broader than that, although I agree it is campaigned as if only men assault women. Same sex couples, kids assaulting parents, women assaulting men etc, all come under that banner.

 

[frogwell]

Again, a statement by NSWPOL was that it was a verbal confrontation which means no fists were involved, except in the minds of office gossips. If they felt more action was required there are remedies in-house, rather than to go running to a DT reporter.

An officer was there who saw it <modsnip> Maybe the officer kinows what the policy is around this stuff and also knows that it will probably be swept under the carpet and therefore went outside of the dept so some action would occur. Maybe he/she felt unsafe. I had afriend who worked for the police and although they were very well resourced for counselling, policy procedures for conflict, she found that most staff were scared to go through that system for fear ofbeing seen as soft by their colleagues.

 

[Bohemian]

I think it's a bit 20th century to contain family abuse to violence from man to a woman. It is way broader than that, although I agree it is campaigned as if only men assault women. Same sex couples, kids assaulting parents, women assaulting men etc, all come under that banner.

Yes, I know all that. You’re right, a bit 20th c. But still equating a verbal altercation to ongoing domestic violence is a stretch IMO.

 

[Bohemian]

An officer was there who saw it <modsnip>

The DM said that police officers said those things. Did the DT? Or did the DM just pad out the original story? Yep, it’s office gossip. Not for public consumption IMO.

 

[Bohemian]

It's not that they can't control their tempers, they're just passionate. I wonder if they accept that as an excuse at scenes of domestics, we are just passionate and having a robust conversation. Fact is, if one put his hands on the other, all other cops in the room have a duty to examine areas of assault, even if neither complain. It's funny to me that if men are seen to fight in this way and neither makes a complaint, police usually turn a blind eye. e.g. James Packer and David Gyngall MOO

This incident was in public in Bondi and it does not equate to a verbal confrontation. They should both have been charged.

 

[Freddo Frog]

possibly the mother of the children living with BS & MS ?

Just to refresh my memory... SB? DM's ex?

 

[Bohemian]

An officer was there who saw it <modsnip> Maybe the officer kinows what the policy is around this stuff and also knows that it will probably be swept under the carpet and therefore went outside of the dept so some action would occur. Maybe he/she felt unsafe. I had afriend who worked for the police and although they were very well resourced for counselling, policy procedures for conflict, she found that most staff were scared to go through that system for fear ofbeing seen as soft by their colleagues.

And maybe not. Neither Jubes or Lambert filed a complaint against each, nor did any of their colleagues. btw times have probably changed since your friend worked for the police force, IDK.