Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #41

[frogwell]

It's tight but I think MFC arrives at 10.35, he gets out and starts running around looking and she takes the car and drives down the road to look, 1.2km and then heads back and goes straight to the neighbors house. I think that's possible.

From my recollection of the inquest, all the information about taking the car and looking for WT came before she went to AMS's place.

 

[JLZ]

It's tight but I think MFC arrives at 10.35, he gets out and starts running around looking and she takes the car and drives down the road to look, 1.2km and then heads back and goes straight to the neighbors house. I think that's possible.

Perhaps it was driving back in she noticed the swing set.

 

[dragon52]

I wonder why one of FFCs first thoughts was that she thought that William had been taken? It was not until days later that she remembered the cars.

 

[frogwell]

I wonder why one of FFCs first thoughts was that she thought that William had been taken? It was not until days later that she remembered the cars.

At the time it seemed like the only way to explain how he had vanished from where he was in relation to her and her mother. My understanding is that she remembered the cars whilst she drove into the street after returning from picking up her sister at the air port at Port Macquarie. She remembered where she first met Chris Rowley when he met her on the street earlier that day and then she remembered that where he pulled over was where the 2 parked cars were that she had noticed that morning.

 

[JLZ]

I wonder why one of FFCs first thoughts was that she thought that William had been taken? It was not until days later that she remembered the cars.

Because he'd been kidnapped before.

 

[frogwell]

Because he'd been kidnapped before.

For those who work in the community services industry, are foster parents informed of bios previously absconding with their children when they are given guardianship of the child? It may well fall under the title of kidnapping but to me there is a vast difference in not handing a child over and an planned abduction. IMO

 

[louisepiglet]

I wonder why one of FFCs first thoughts was that she thought that William had been taken? It was not until days later that she remembered the cars.

If the FFC felt that William had been abducted why did the police treat it as a lost little boy only.

 

[JLZ]

For those who work in the community services industry, are foster parents informed of bios previously absconding with their children when they are given guardianship of the child?

I don't know, but they must have been told something to explain why William wasn't delivered to them when expected.

 

[JLZ]

If the FFC felt that William had been abducted why did the police treat it as a lost little boy only.

He wasn't. As an example, they called on his bio family that same afternoon.

 

[louisepiglet]

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He wasn't. As an example, they called on his bio family that same afternoon.

True but more could have been done.

 

[Andreee]

Could be. Or perhaps he was sitting down low on the floor watching William's missing story on TV. Remember how the TV seemed to be set up so that a person could watch it while down on the floor?
Then maybe only his head would be visible through a main window.

The running water and clean hands could be from quick disposal of something - and unrelated to William's disappearance.
(Just thinking that this man was a cabbie, still feeling the 'effects' of that occupation, according to MSM. And sometimes late night cabbies keep themselves going with help.)


"I saw his television on ... Sky News active with the scrolling story of the missing child William Tyrrell on the screen (it did not move and obviously had been selected)," it continued.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw...our-with-boxed-up-window-20190531-p51t4w.html

I'm glad that the police searched this guy's place the three times and probably kept an eye on him for long time. Re. the wood box covering the 'window', it isn't necessarily suspicious though. I have seen my hubby's brothers who were all raised in rural areas construct some interesting looking contraptions for hunting and for their worksheds, etc over the years lol. This guy sounds like he was one of those loners who liked darkness during the day while sleeping and was a bit paranoid or whatever, just MOO. But of course LE obviously knows more than we do, and so...

 

[Ms Cadfael]

For those who work in the community services industry, are foster parents informed of bios previously absconding with their children when they are given guardianship of the child? It may well fall under the title of kidnapping but to me there is a vast difference in not handing a child over and an planned abduction. IMO

Yes. The caseworker would have probably mentioned it. I gather FaCS came to the foster carers before WT was removed to ask if they would be prepared to take him. They would have kept them up to date and probably mentioned they were in the process of looking for and locating WT and his parents. IMO.

 

[dragon52]

Because he'd been kidnapped

For those who work in the community services industry, are foster parents informed of bios previously absconding with their children when they are given guardianship of the child? It may well fall under the title of kidnapping but to me there is a vast difference in not handing a child over and an planned abduction. IMO

I agree. William was never kidnapped from the FF. The bf Had no way of knowing that William would be in Kendall at that time. I just find it a little strange that William goes missing for a few minutes and the FFC s reaction is that he had been taken.

 

[JLZ]

I agree. William was never kidnapped from the FF. The bf Had no way of knowing that William would be in Kendall at that time. I just find it a little strange that William goes missing for a few minutes and the FFC s reaction is that he had been taken.

It was a reflexive reaction on FFC's part, not a reasoned theory.

 

[Ms Cadfael]

I agree. William was never kidnapped from the FF. The bf Had no way of knowing that William would be in Kendall at that time. I just find it a little strange that William goes missing for a few minutes and the FFC s reaction is that he had been taken.

If I had custody of a lil fella and knew that he wouldn't wander off too far away from me, I too would think he has been taken if I coukdn't find him. I mean, he literally disappeared! It's pure intuition..and perhaps that fear in the back of the mind that he's a foster child, so could be taken back at anytime or the worry deep inside that the family may use desperate measures to regain him.
All this culminated..would lead your 1st thought to think he hadn't wandered..he was taken. Natural notion IMO.

 

[SouthAussie]

He wasn't. As an example, they called on his bio family that same afternoon.

And by Sept 16th ... four days later, ABC News was reporting that the sex crimes squad had been called in, as well as other specialist police. An abduction was on the table.


Specialist police, including the sex crimes squad, have been brought in to investigate the possibility the boy was abducted.
Superintendent Fehon said .... "As I've indicated, we have no indication whether young William is out in the bush or whether other forms of human intervention have been involved.
"So again, we're appealing to any member of the public that may have known of any person or any vehicle that was to be in the vicinity of Benaroon Drive at Kendall or the township of Kendall, if they can provide that to Crime Stoppers."

Missing boy could not survive six days in bush: police
Sep 16, 2014

 

[SouthAussie]

I agree. William was never kidnapped from the FF. The bf Had no way of knowing that William would be in Kendall at that time. I just find it a little strange that William goes missing for a few minutes and the FFC s reaction is that he had been taken.

You are right, he was parentally abducted from the Minister's care, at that point in time.
Which resulted in a delay of 6 or so weeks before William was placed into the hands of his waiting carers.
I believe that the FF would be aware that the BM was opposed to the permanent placement.
The possibility of another 'intervention' by the BF would likely not be far from the FF's minds. imo


"William Tyrrell was always intended to stay in foster care for the rest of his childhood, away from his 'career criminal' father.
The young missing boy's mother ..... was also believed to have known of the intention for the arrangement."
William Tyrrell's foster placement was to be permanent

 

[frogwell]

You are right, he was parentally abducted from the Minister's care, at that point in time.
Which resulted in a delay of 6 or so weeks before William was placed into the hands of his waiting carers.
I believe that the FF would be aware that the BM was opposed to the permanent placement.
The possibility of another 'intervention' by the BF would likely not be far from the FF's minds. imo


"William Tyrrell was always intended to stay in foster care for the rest of his childhood, away from his 'career criminal' father.
The young missing boy's mother ..... was also believed to have known of the intention for the arrangement."
William Tyrrell's foster placement was to be permanent

But how would he know about the BM objection to the permanent placement. According to his evidence, he had never informed the biological family. Also, FaCs and the case worker gave evidence at the inquest that the placement up until the alleged abduction had been co operative and amicable, if there was hostility from the bios they wereobliged to inform the FC's which never happened. Although I am under the impression that WT's sister was already placed with the carers when it was decided that he would be placed with them, the MSM has stated that he went to the FC's at nine months old and she was placed with them 1 week after he was. After that, their experiences with the bios were apparently uneventful for 2.5 years.

 

[papertrail]

His foster mother tells investigators as she drove around looking for William, she saw a large truck coming down the road and pulled over to let it pass.

"It was a semi trailer coming down the road really fast. And he thought I pulled over, because he acknowledged me by saying thanks for pulling over. But I pulled over 'cause I've just got my head out the window, you know, looking for William," she said.

"And then I drive really slow on Moore, and I get to the Riding School and I just think, he's not here.

"And I just drive out and I think, he's not here. And then I bring the car back up. And I just run out and I look for him again."

Desperate search for William captured

It seems that she may have driven into the driving school.

I cannot locate a street named 'Moore' in Kendall as quoted in the media article as quoting the FFC. anyone have any clues to what 'Moore' refers to?

 

[SouthAussie]

But how would he know about the BM objection to the permanent placement. According to his evidence, he had never informed the biological family. Also, FaCs and the case worker gave evidence at the inquest that the placement up until the alleged abduction had been co operative and amicable, if there was hostility from the bios they wereobliged to inform the FC's which never happened. Although I am under the impression that WT's sister was already placed with the carers when it was decided that he would be placed with them, the MSM has stated that he went to the FC's at nine months old and she was placed with them 1 week after he was. After that, their experiences with the bios were apparently uneventful for 2.5 years.

I would have thought that all concerned parties would be aware that the BM was in court over the matter?


The mother told the court she was aware of adoption plans before William disappeared but not in any detail and "didn't agree" with them.
"We were still trying to get the children back. We were at court," she said.
William Tyrrell's parents 'hid him' as bub