Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #41

[frogwell]

I just read the Daily Mail report, apparently, BM reported William as being more affectionate than usual during her visit with him at the shopping centre. He was giving her cuddles and wanted to sit on her lap. Their were 3 case workers following her around on that visit.

bbm
Is that usual to have so many case workers at a visit, especially as the visits had been going smoothly or is it indicative of something that was going on at the time? I imagine BM was quite pregnant by the time of the last visit.

 

[JLZ]

bbm
Is that usual to have so many case workers at a visit, especially as the visits had been going smoothly or is it indicative of something that was going on at the time? I imagine BM was quite pregnant by the time of the last visit.

In the article, BM also said "there were a lot of kids around". So perhaps the three case workers were supervising multiple family groups.

 

[frogwell]

In the article, BM also said "there were a lot of kids around". So perhaps the three case workers were supervising multiple family groups.

but it says, "... they were following her around on that visit."

 

[JLZ]

but it says, "... they were following her around on that visit."

I took it that she thought she was getting more than a reasonable share of the attention. ?

 

[dragon52]

bbm
Is that usual to have so many case workers at a visit, especially as the visits had been going smoothly or is it indicative of something that was going on at the time? I imagine BM was quite pregnant by the time of the last visit.

I think the FFC had reported to the case manager that she was having difficulties coping with William’s behaviour. I think one of the workers was a behavioural psychologist......( I don’t know where I read that).

 

[dragon52]

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In the article, BM also said "there were a lot of kids around". So perhaps the three case workers were supervising multiple family groups.

think that would be very unusual for the case workers to be supervising a number of children and their families.

 

[JLZ]

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think that would be very unusual for the case workers to be supervising a number of children and their families.

OK. What do you think BM meant about the place being busy? Would they have been in a shopping centre generally, or would there have been a dedicated area for the meeting?

 

[dragon52]

My understanding was that they met at Macquarie shopping centre, North Ryde. If true, it is a very big and busy shopping centre.

 

[bearbear]

most of the big shopping centres have a childrens play area in them so maybe its usual to meet there and have a coffee, less intense than a little meeting room?
theres an ice skating rink in the centre too, so possibly would explain why lots of people?

 

[JLZ]

most of the big shopping centres have a childrens play area in them so maybe its usual to meet there and have a coffee, less intense than a little meeting room?
theres an ice skating rink in the centre too, so possibly would explain why lots of people?

Now that would be a gambit--if they're following you about too closely. How well can the case workers skate?

 

[SouthAussie]

I must be dim as I can’t find where she mentions bruises

I am not sure that there were bruises. Just the faint bruise in the vicinity of his eye. Very normal for any active child to give themselves bruises, scratches, lumps and bumps. imo

“When I saw William .... I could see a faint bruise under his eye,” his mother said.
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[Thebottomline]

I am not sure that there were bruises. Just the faint bruise in the vicinity of his eye. Very normal for any active child to give themselves bruises, scratches, lumps and bumps. imo

“When I saw William .... I could see a faint bruise under his eye,” his mother said.
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Absolutely, I agree

 

[SouthAussie]

I think the FFC had reported to the case manager that she was having difficulties coping with William’s behaviour. I think one of the workers was a behavioural psychologist......( I don’t know where I read that).

The only behavioural specialists/psychologists/experts that I have read about are the ones assisting Strike Force Rosann ....


Detective Inspector Gary Jubelin, who’s heading the investigation, said the inclusion of a behavioural specialist on the strike force had been invaluable.
“In cases like these we need to get into the headspace of the person who took William, why they did it, what makes them tick,” he said.
William Tyrrell: suspected kidnapper was 'visiting, residing or working locally'

Forensic psychologist Dr Yule said police were working on a reasonably narrow abduction scenario.
"There may be a misconception that there is a lot that we don't know about this case. I've visited the crime scene multiple times and there is a lot of information that that location tells us," Dr Yule said.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw...illiam-tyrrells-abductor-20150911-gjkqyz.html

Experts from the Behavioural Science Team have been assessing the behaviour and personality characteristics of all suspects to pinpoint anyone capable of abducting William.
We’re for Sydney | Daily Telegraph

 

[frogwell]

The only behavioural specialists/psychologists/experts that I have read about are the ones assisting Strike Force Rosann .... unless there is some other link that I haven't seen?


Detective Inspector Gary Jubelin, who’s heading the investigation, said the inclusion of a behavioural specialist on the strike force had been invaluable.
“In cases like these we need to get into the headspace of the person who took William, why they did it, what makes them tick,” he said.
William Tyrrell: suspected kidnapper was 'visiting, residing or working locally'

Forensic psychologist Dr Yule said police were working on a reasonably narrow abduction scenario.
"There may be a misconception that there is a lot that we don't know about this case. I've visited the crime scene multiple times and there is a lot of information that that location tells us," Dr Yule said.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw...illiam-tyrrells-abductor-20150911-gjkqyz.html

Experts from the Behavioural Science Team have been assessing the behaviour and personality characteristics of all suspects to pinpoint anyone capable of abducting William.
We’re for Sydney | Daily Telegraph

William Tyrrell’s birth family felt under suspicion for five years

But they are still desperate to know what happened to the boisterous little boy who went missing and never returned and who was sometimes described as a “handful”.

She also revealed she had seen documents during the course of the inquest that said William was a rowdy kid who had been difficult to control.

“I’ve seen some documents that say he was … difficult,” she said.

William was apparently a handful at day care.Source:Supplied


William’s foster mother said in her statement that William was being assessed by a female community service worker “currently … to see if there are any behavioural issues”.

The community service worker, who accompanied two Salvation Army supervisors on the last visit, “is trying to figure out if the kids need any help”, the birth mother stated. bbm

 

[Thebottomline]

And apparently the bruising was still visible in last photos of William.

In last photos of William ? Do you mean the photo on deck at Benaroon ?

 

[Thebottomline]

BBM, Not sure where you are getting that information from but that would be a violation of medical confidentiality and should not even be in the public domain.
But even though you couldn't link it you put it out there anyway?

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw...rents-should-feel-guilty-20180304-p4z2s0.html
The information came from BM herself

 

[papertrail]

In last photos of William ? Do you mean the photo on deck at Benaroon ?

Yes

 

[Thebottomline]

Yes

I don’t see what you’re implying here. I can’t see any bruising at all

 

[papertrail]

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw...rents-should-feel-guilty-20180304-p4z2s0.html
The information came from BM herself

And I believe there is another media article that raised William's tendency to be hyperactive and the 3 caseworkers or care personnel were there to observe his behaviour in different circumstances.

Dear sweet William...So much turmoil in such a very short time. Very sad.

 

[Karinna]

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw...rents-should-feel-guilty-20180304-p4z2s0.html
The information came from BM herself

The article reads it was after she had her children and not during her pregnancy.
(quote) from your article
"Because I had domestic violence and drugs and alcohol, marijuana. When I had to do a drug screen, I tested positive after I'd had my children."