Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - # 5

[SouthAussie]

The van from 2013 looks like a different model to the one driven today

Thanks SD. Let me rephrase that then.

Perhaps Spedding had suspicious damage to his current vehicle that police were very interested in, and didn't have the part of the vehicle that 'came off'.

 

[Panda]

This article ^^^ was published 7 days into the search, so they evidently had some indication of or information about a car that they were interested in.

Were we speculating earlier about damage to Spedding's vehicle - supposedly from the septic tank? Oh, that damage was in July 2013 (found ferret2's post in Thread 3 http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-NSW-12th-Sept-2014-3&p=11415428#post11415428).



I wonder if he had further damage to his vehicle on 12th September 2014? Perhaps from bouncing along a forest trail.

This is the first I had heard about this - I've just realised there are other threads also relating to William. Looks like I've got a lot of reading up to do ... sigh ... this may take awhile!

 

[spiritualdreaming]

What were the location's that police were viewing cctv footage?
I know the Tennis club was one
I wonder if this is one of there inconsistencies they found. WS's van or another one of the cars seized, seen on Kendall's CCTV. When supposedly he was in Laurieton

 

[jigzy]

Superintendent Paul Fehon said the State Emergency Service's volunteers will walk the forest's trails as they search for part of a vehicle that may have become detached.

Teams of emergency services began the first of a two-day search of roadsides ‘‘in case something has been thrown’’, said NSW Police Rescue Sergeant John King.

‘‘It will be a sweep search of the side of the road,’’ he told volunteers at a briefing in Kendall on Thursday.

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/2...-missing-william-tyrell-audio-photos/?cs=2452

Sounds like two separate lines of inquiry to me:
1) searching for vehicle parts - perhaps an area in the forest showed evidence of a vehicle getting into trouble there, such as getting temporarily grounded on a raised area or of hitting a tree hard. (Scrapes on a tree from wheel hubcaps might indicate that they would become loose and could fall off without the driver knowing).
2) searching roadsides for "thrown" items - I don't necessarily see an abductor throwing out bits of his/her vehicle that had become detached. I should imagine that this could rather include the possibility of the child's very conspicuous clothing being thrown.
Jmo.

 

[SouthAussie]

This is the first I had heard about this - I've just realised there are other threads also relating to William. Looks like I've got a lot of reading up to do ... sigh ... this may take awhile!

Thread One is the best one to read, Panda. That one gives you the raw info as it happened. The rest of the threads fill you in on things after the major searches and inquiries.

 

[SouthAussie]

What were the location's that police were viewing cctv footage?
I know the Tennis club was one
I wonder if this is one of there inconsistencies they found. WS's van or another one of the cars seized, seen on Kendall's CCTV. When supposedly he was in Laurieton

Kendall Cellars is another one. I referenced it in a post a page or two back.

 

[SouthAussie]

Here are the locations of Kendall Cellars and the Tennis Club on Graham St, in relation to Benaroon Drive.

https://www.google.com.au/maps/dir/...9d0e6c1ba4f9!2m2!1d152.704!2d-31.6322!1m0!3e0


(I adjusted the Google view from the one I first put up, as I realised where the actual location of the Tennis Club is - not as far along Graham St as I first thought.)

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[Amee]

September 19

There have been no traces, footprints, threads of clothing, sightings or possible motives.

Crews continued an "evidence-based search" on Friday, scouring forest that would be too far for William to walk to but where he could have been "assisted to" by a kidnapper in a car.

They have been told to look for anything that could be discarded from a car such as rubbish or William's clothing.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/police-st...yrell-3-turns-up-nothing-20140919-10j9tj.html

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/kendall-in-agony-over-mystery-of-a-little-boy-lost-20140920-10jn4y.html

 

[spiritualdreaming]

Here are the approx locations of Kendall Cellars and the Tennis Club on Graham St, in relation to Benaroon Drive.

So to get to grandma's from Laurieton you'll need to go pass Kendall Cellars. Wonder if their CCTV footage faces the road. Mmmm thinking

 

[deugirtni]

How wide are these forest trails?

This article ^^^ was published 7 days into the search, so they evidently had some indication of or information about a car that they were interested in.

Were we speculating earlier about damage to Spedding's vehicle - supposedly from the septic tank? Oh, that damage was in July 2013 (found ferret2's post in Thread 3 http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-NSW-12th-Sept-2014-3&p=11415428#post11415428).

I wonder if he had further damage to his vehicle on 12th September 2014? Perhaps from bouncing along a forest trail.

 

[SouthAussie]

So to get to grandma's from Laurieton you'll need to go pass Kendall Cellars. Wonder if their CCTV footage faces the road. Mmmm thinking

Just want to point out, the tennis courts are actually where that knife and fork sign are on Graham St. I corrected the Google view in my previous post.

 

[SouthAussie]

How wide are these forest trails?

Some are car-wide (presumably for Forestry vehicles), some are walking trails. You can see some of them on Forestry websites and other sites showing Kendall State forest.

Google Earth (separate program, not the easy maps version) shows a main track cutting right through the forest from the end of the Benaroon Drive-ish area and exiting at the south end of the forest.

 

[deugirtni]

Considering that LE were apparently looking for a part that may have become detached from a vehicle within a few days of WT's disappearance, if they had suspected BS's vehicle, they likely would have taken it in for examination right away.

Thanks SD. Let me rephrase that then.

Perhaps Spedding had suspicious damage to his current vehicle that police were very interested in, and didn't have the part of the vehicle that 'came off'.

 

[Amee]

So to get to grandma's from Laurieton you'll need to go pass Kendall Cellars. Wonder if their CCTV footage faces the road. Mmmm thinking

Quote Originally Posted by TheStupidTree View Post
Absolutely, going to kendall makes sense if they have family there. If the grandsons attend catholic school, the local school for that area is kinda split between port macquarie and laurieton. If they were at laurieton due to the shop being there then they would definitely have friends in Kendal. I know this area well. Lived there for 28 years. Kendall, laurieton, north haven, Kew, Bonny hills ... Everyone knows everyone. Near this house in Bonny hills there are several fire trails through queens lake state park. You can get from kendall to Bonny hills via dirt road almost the whole way.

 

[deugirtni]

It could be anything... a front/rear bumper? The plastic covering from a backup light? A trailer from any kind of vehicle? A vehicle seat? A piece of trim? Hubcap? It is possible LE saw a vehicle that caught their eye in the area that day with some kind of damage or missing parts that normally are present, when they were examining CCTV footage.. perhaps they had a vehicle they were looking into, and were trying to corroborate the owner's story of what happened with the missing vehicle part?

Sounds like two separate lines of inquiry to me:
1) searching for vehicle parts - perhaps an area in the forest showed evidence of a vehicle getting into trouble there, such as getting temporarily grounded on a raised area or of hitting a tree hard. (Scrapes on a tree from wheel hubcaps might indicate that they would become loose and could fall off without the driver knowing).
2) searching roadsides for "thrown" items - I don't necessarily see an abductor throwing out bits of his/her vehicle that had become detached. I should imagine that this could rather include the possibility of the child's very conspicuous clothing being thrown.
Jmo.

 

[Panda]

Thread One is the best one to read, Panda. That one gives you the raw info as it happened. The rest of the threads fill you in on things after the major searches and inquiries.

Thanks SouthAussie - unfortunately I'm working today, so I won't get time until later on tonight to sit down and go through it all properly. I'll just be able to check in periodically to see how everyone's going on this thread at the moment.

I wanted to get all the relevant facts gathered, and post the various scenarios, so we can look at each one individually and everyone can really brainstorm, as it's getting a bit disjointed and difficult to know what's what after pages and pages of information. Perhaps if we start new threads - one for each scenario for easy reference, then we can really isolate each and not get lost with the other scenarios, then start to home in on the most likely. Let me know your thoughts.

 

[deugirtni]

IMHO, if LE found any trace of WT in any of BS's items (vehicles, house, mattress, computer, whatever), that would have boosted him to 'suspect' from POI for sure, if not 'accused'. I think he would have quickly been arrested and at least held until more information was confirmed? The fact there has not yet been an arrest (and I'm sure the laboratories or forensics units would be putting a rush on this case) tells me they found nothing to date. I think it would be impossible however, for them to say 'you are cleared, Mr. S', because the absence of evidence in home and vehicles and properties does not 100% rule out his involvement (or anyone else's). I don't see how they could rule out anyone really, at this point, with such little evidence. Also, depending on the type of 'tip' that was called into Crimestoppers in regard to BS, finding no trace in his house, vehicles, septic, etc., may not be enough to 'clear' him. It would be tough to report that he has been 'cleared', and then later find out he was invovled via some other way. What a horrible position for him to be in.

 

[bearbear]

if william was abducted in a car by a local, they would probably know where all the local cctv cameras were and take the back roads, especially if there was a track going in their direction.
and probably driving at speed which could do damage to an ordinary vehicle.
do the back tracks through forest behind benaroon drive lead all the way to bonny hills?
police also concentrated a lot of searching in the middle brother forest

 

[SouthAussie]

if william was abducted in a car by a local, they would probably know where all the local cctv cameras were and take the back roads, especially if there was a track going in their direction.
and probably driving at speed which could do damage to an ordinary vehicle.
do the back tracks through forest behind benaroon drive lead all the way to bonny hills?
police also concentrated a lot of searching in the middle brother forest

One track leads down to the clearing before Middle Brother Forest, for sure. I have checked that one out ages ago. There are also significant tracks through Middle Brother Forest that I have clearly seen.

Later tonight I will try to check out the other way ... toward Bonny Hills. Let you know what I see and post it if I can.

 

[bearbear]

IMHO, if LE found any trace of WT in any of BS's items (vehicles, house, mattress, computer, whatever), that would have boosted him to 'suspect' from POI for sure, if not 'accused'. I think he would have quickly been arrested and at least held until more information was confirmed? The fact there has not yet been an arrest (and I'm sure the laboratories or forensics units would be putting a rush on this case) tells me they found nothing to date. I think it would be impossible however, for them to say 'you are cleared, Mr. S', because the absence of evidence in home and vehicles and properties does not 100% rule out his involvement (or anyone else's). I don't see how they could rule out anyone really, at this point, with such little evidence. Also, depending on the type of 'tip' that was called into Crimestoppers in regard to BS, finding no trace in his house, vehicles, septic, etc., may not be enough to 'clear' him. It would be tough to report that he has been 'cleared', and then later find out he was invovled via some other way. What a horrible position for him to be in.

unless theyre watching him, waiting for him to lead to something bigger.
maybe forensics arent back yet, sometimes they send evidence to the uk for specialist testing too?
bs would know if there was anything to find and probably sweat it out and lie low waiting for a possible arrest, you would think if he knew there was nothing linking him to william he would be yelling his innocence from the rooftops etc, unless his lawyer has told him to keep a low profile