Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - # 5

[deugirtni]

The man (BS) voluntarily gave a DNA sample (I'm not entirely certain that I would have done that, if I was innocent). To me, that says a lot that he did that. I dont' think it is mandatory unless the man was charged. He did it in the hope of clearing his name. If they had something on him, for sure they would arrest and incarcerate him, since protecting other children would be paramount. I don't believe that LE could take the chance that other children might be injured or worse, just because they wanted more potential clues. If that were the case, and they didn't arrest him even though they had some kind of evidence that he did something with WT, and another child went missing, they would likely be sued for negligence. I can't help thinking that someone with bitterness toward him, perhaps from his own extended family, called in the anonymous tip. MOO

unless theyre watching him, waiting for him to lead to something bigger.
maybe forensics arent back yet, sometimes they send evidence to the uk for specialist testing too?
bs would know if there was anything to find and probably sweat it out and lie low waiting for a possible arrest, you would think if he knew there was nothing linking him to william he would be yelling his innocence from the rooftops etc, unless his lawyer has told him to keep a low profile

 

[msadventure]

Dirt Bikes are extremely noisy and the neighbourhood is essentially quite - Even if someone used the track the sound of a dirt bike would have been heard from the properties on the road where the cemetery is located. I would assume the police would have asked all neighbours and neighbouring streets (backing onto the bush) if they heard anything....

I live in a setting somewhat similar to the environment from which William was taken....you can definitely hear dirt bikes... We have some turds that come once or twice a year riding in the block next to use (The block is 40 acres)...I can hear them riding around the whole property as the sound echoes - they are chasing and scaring the kangaroos grrrr.

Dirt bikes are noisy, but in a semi-rural suburb, wouldn't they be heard quite often? And couldn't the sound of one be mistaken for say, the Postman? Just thinking of all bike type possibilities here.

 

[Amee]

The Homicide Squad took over the investigation and *detectives with Strike Force Rosann have been painstakingly ploughing through all those hundreds of statements as well as calls to Crime Stoppers

Among those statements was the one from Mr Spedding. Detectives allegedly found some inconsistencies in what he told them, which led them to the surprise raids on the tradesman’s former first-floor pawnbroking office in Laurieton and his Bonny Hills home last week.

“What he said did not add up because people he named did not remember seeing him,” a source alleged.

Mr Spedding, 63, who lives in a rented house in semi-rural Bonny Hills on the coast around 20km away from Kendall, took part in 10-page recorded interview with *detectives because he had been due to fix William’s grandmother’s washing *machine on the day that *William disappeared.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...r-william-tyrell/story-fni0cx12-1227195546202

 

[Amee]

They speculated that if he was abducted, it would have been a spur-of-the moment opportunistic thing because no one knew a little boy would be at the house that morning.

There is no passing traffic — it is at the closed end of Benaroon Drive, a cul-de-sac.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...r-william-tyrell/story-fni0cx12-1227195546202

 

[Makara]

What were the location's that police were viewing cctv footage?
I know the Tennis club was one
I wonder if this is one of there inconsistencies they found. WS's van or another one of the cars seized, seen on Kendall's CCTV. When supposedly he was in Laurieton

Kendall Cellars owner Rheannon Chapman - "I think the police side of things, the suspicion, was there straight away," she says.

"Just little things like looking at our CCTV. We were told not to delete anything and that was the next day. "I just thought we would find him."

http://www.australianmissingpersonsregister.com/WilliamTyrell.htm

 

[loveamystery]

I think William may have walked off with someone if he was asked if he wanted to see the real spiderman, and was told that mummy said it was okay.

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IMO William had to be attracted by someone or something, for him to disappear so quietly. Maybe it was the "help me find my puppy" routine or something similar. He walked away from the house into danger. MOO

 

[Makara]

Peter Dewall is the known sex offender who has yet to be located by police. He has not come forward to state his whereabouts at the time of William's disappearance.

Police conducting an investigation into child abuse material offences are renewing their appeal for information to locate a man wanted on outstanding first instance warrants. Detectives are appealing for public assistance to locate 47-year-old Peter Dewall, who police would like to speak to as part of an investigation into child abuse material offences.

Peter Dewall is described as being of Caucasian appearance, about 175cm tall, of medium build and has light brown hair and hazel eyes. Detectives believe Mr Dewall frequents Grafton and may currently be residing in the area. He is also known to regularly visit the Lismore area. Anyone who sees Mr Dewall is urged not to approach him but instead contact police immediately via Triple Zero (000).

http://myallcoastnews.com.au/peter-dewall-47-wanted-police-4405

https://twitter.com/nswpolice/status/514224641171152896

Posted 23 September 2014.
https://www.facebook.com/nswpoliceforce/photos/a.395208846184.158543.218519706184/10152459625521185/

 

[Makara]

Map showing where Lismore and Grafton are in relation to Kendall NSW. It is approximately 316 kilometres from Lismore to Kendall.

 

[butterstick]

According to those police reports he is wanted for "material". So that would mean he'd need to of jumped into perpetuating the actual act, if it is him.

Not saying he isn't worth catching.

 

[Makara]

Thanks Butterstick. We were discussing this particular guy a while back but couldn't find the links relating to him. I finally found the info on him and was just sharing it here. In all likelihood he has nothing to do with William's disappearance but I don't mind naming and shaming the grub anyway.

The fact that police looked up all known child sex offenders within a massive radius of Kendall would bring Peter Dewall under consideration IMO.

http://www.australianmissingpersonsregister.com/WilliamTyrell.htm

 

[sosocurious]

The Homicide Squad took over the investigation and *detectives with Strike Force Rosann have been painstakingly ploughing through all those hundreds of statements as well as calls to Crime Stoppers

Among those statements was the one from Mr Spedding. Detectives allegedly found some inconsistencies in what he told them, which led them to the surprise raids on the tradesman’s former first-floor pawnbroking office in Laurieton and his Bonny Hills home last week.

“What he said did not add up because people he named did not remember seeing him,” a source alleged.
Mr Spedding, 63, who lives in a rented house in semi-rural Bonny Hills on the coast around 20km away from Kendall, took part in 10-page recorded interview with *detectives because he had been due to fix William’s grandmother’s washing *machine on the day that *William disappeared.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...r-william-tyrell/story-fni0cx12-1227195546202

WS took part in a 10 page recorded interview soon after William went missing.

It could be assumed that he has given his whereabouts and they are safely recorded and transcribed in to those 10 pages. Particularly given he was expected to attend grandmothers house to fix the washer.

His close friend Colin said;

* Earlier in the day WS had some work in Dunbogan.
* He missed a call from William's grandmother on the morning of the 12th September.
* When he couldn't get hold of her when he phoned back he went for coffee at the Buzz Café with his wife."

People he named did not remember seeing him"

Was he seen in Dunbogan?
What was the job?
Who was the job for?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/aap/article-2921961/Man-free-home-Tyrell-search.html
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...193777963?nk=da566c0bd2bc1a69a552e377918d8020

 

[Amee]

WS took part in a 10 page recorded interview soon after William went missing.

It could be assumed that he has given his whereabouts and they are safely recorded and transcribed in to those 10 pages. Particularly given he was expected to attend grandmothers house to fix the washer.

His close friend Colin said;

* Earlier in the day WS had some work in Dunbogan.
* He missed a call from William's grandmother on the morning of the 12th September.
* When he couldn't get hold of her when he phoned back he went for coffee at the Buzz Café with his wife."

People he named did not remember seeing him"

Was he seen in Dunbogan?
What was the job?
Who was the job for?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/aap/article-2921961/Man-free-home-Tyrell-search.html
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...193777963?nk=da566c0bd2bc1a69a552e377918d8020

:waitasec:
Later on that day, September 12, Mr Spedding had *driven to Dunbogan where he had *another appliance to repair. Detectives visited Dunbogan on Wednesday last week to talk to locals.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...r-william-tyrell/story-fni0cx12-1227195546202


Earlier in the day, Mr Spedding also had some work in nearby Dunbogan, Colin said

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/aap/article-2921961/Man-free-home-Tyrell-search.html#ixzz3RKOyn6dV

 

[sosocurious]

:waitasec:
Later on that day, September 12, Mr Spedding had *driven to Dunbogan where he had *another appliance to repair. Detectives visited Dunbogan on Wednesday last week to talk to locals.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...r-william-tyrell/story-fni0cx12-1227195546202


Earlier in the day, Mr Spedding also had some work in nearby Dunbogan, Colin said

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/aap/article-2921961/Man-free-home-Tyrell-search.html#ixzz3RKOyn6dV

Yes Amee was just about to do the BUT post - you were too quick. lol

Dunbogan is interesting earlier or later ??? :thinking:

Is it possible he was indeed out of the area both earlier and later on in the day?

Maybe Dunbogan or maybe not ???

I just feel that more than one person is involved. imo

 

[Amee]

According to MSM William had run around the side of the house a few times. IF someone was there waiting and watching William why wait to take him, what made them think he would run back again? Why not take him the first time he ran around the corner?

Sitting on the porch about 10am with his mother, grandmother and sister, William ran around the side of the house several times before reappearing with a cheeky grin and running back towards his family.

So when he ran around the corner once again about 10.25am, out of view for a matter of minutes, his mother thought nothing of it.

It was a game the pair played often, a kind of hide-and-seek where one would hide from the other before jumping out and roaring like a tiger.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...ing-from-kendall/story-fnpn118l-1227173646506

 

[Amee]

Yes Amee was just about to do the BUT post - you were too quick. lol

Dunbogan is interesting earlier or later ??? :thinking:

Is it possible he was indeed out of the area both earlier and later on in the day?

Maybe Dunbogan or maybe not ???

Good Question lol

What time would he start work and could he have fit that repair in with, calling Williams GMA , the coffee date and school presentation? :dunno:

my choice would be the afternoon only because the morning comment came from the mate Colin. :blah:

 

[marlywings]

Thanks SouthAussie - unfortunately I'm working today, so I won't get time until later on tonight to sit down and go through it all properly. I'll just be able to check in periodically to see how everyone's going on this thread at the moment.

I wanted to get all the relevant facts gathered, and post the various scenarios, so we can look at each one individually and everyone can really brainstorm, as it's getting a bit disjointed and difficult to know what's what after pages and pages of information. Perhaps if we start new threads - one for each scenario for easy reference, then we can really isolate each and not get lost with the other scenarios, then start to home in on the most likely. Let me know your thoughts.

At this stage, opening further topical threads isn't warranted and isn't an option for members.

All of the relevant information, media/police reports etc pertaining to William's case are contained in previous threads #1 - 4. The links to those are located in the first post of this thread.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...a-William-Tyrell-3-Kendall-NSW-12-Sept-2014-5

If anyone has any further questions, rather than asking in the thread, could you please use PM and I'll get back to you asap.

 

[sosocurious]

Good Question lol

What time would he start work and could he have fit that repair in with, calling Williams GMA , the coffee date and school presentation? :dunno:

my choice would be the afternoon only because the morning comment came from the mate Colin. :blah:

This close friend of WS said The tradesman had to source the spare part but never installed it after failing to get in contact with Williams grandmother on the morning of the 12 September.

In the afternoon he called again and spoke to Williams mother during the early stages of the frantic search for her son.

She said "I am afraid you won't be able to come and do the job. We will call you when we are able."

Phoned the grandmothers house on the morning, then again in the afternoon. From where? Dunbogan???

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2015/01/22/nsw-toddler-search-may-haunt-tradesman

 

[Angeline]

:waitasec:
Later on that day, September 12, Mr Spedding had driven to Dunbogan where he had another appliance to repair. Detectives visited Dunbogan on Wednesday last week to talk to locals.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...r-william-tyrell/story-fni0cx12-1227195546202


Earlier in the day, Mr Spedding also had some work in nearby Dunbogan, Colin said

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/aap/article-2921961/Man-free-home-Tyrell-search.html#ixzz3RKOyn6dV

Well done for picking up on that!

IF the media has reported things correctly, that's an inconsistency in his story. From what I remember, the cafe manager didn't recall seeing him on that day, but I wonder how late into the investigation they questioned the cafe? I'm assuming it would have been around the time they questioned locals in Dunbogan? Judging by the date on that article the detectives went to Dunbogan on Wednesday 14 January. So long after William disappeared

Also from that article (this is very interesting - I'm sure I've read the article but due to the information overload at the time a few facts passed me by!)

"Police seized his telephone records and those of William’s grandmother as they have checked his statement that he had a missed call from the grandmother that morning and tried to call back but could not get through.

A friend of Mr Spedding’s said yesterday that police had questioned Mr Spedding about “why the phone calls were no longer in the call log on his mobile phone.”

So does that mean that the calls showed up on the telephone records, but WS had deleted the calls from his call log? A strange thing to do if he was trying to cover his tracks. Surely he would know that the police have other means to check things? Maybe he had planned to give police a different story and deleted the calls from his log (or perhaps he DID give them a different story - e.g. that he never spoke to the family that day.) Maybe he thought that deleting the calls would be enough to avoid suspicion or further investigation.

"Mr Spedding has told police he then walked with his wife across the road to Laurieton Public School to attend a school assembly in which one of his grandchildren got an award.

It is understood Mr Spedding has asked a woman who was taking photographs at the assembly for a copy of the pictures."

I wonder what came of that?

 

[Fabre]

According to MSM William had run around the side of the house a few times. IF someone was there waiting and watching William why wait to take him, what made them think he would run back again? Why not take him the first time he ran around the corner?

Sitting on the porch about 10am with his mother, grandmother and sister, William ran around the side of the house several times before reappearing with a cheeky grin and running back towards his family.

So when he ran around the corner once again about 10.25am, out of view for a matter of minutes, his mother thought nothing of it.

It was a game the pair played often, a kind of hide-and-seek where one would hide from the other before jumping out and roaring like a tiger.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...ing-from-kendall/story-fnpn118l-1227173646506

Maybe William was squealing and carrying on while playing so taking him mid-game would have been suspicious... But when wasn't?

 

[sosocurious]

Well done for picking up on that!

IF the media has reported things correctly, that's an inconsistency in his story. From what I remember, the cafe manager didn't recall seeing him on that day, but I wonder how late into the investigation they questioned the cafe? I'm assuming it would have been around the time they questioned locals in Dunbogan? Judging by the date on that article the detectives went to Dunbogan on Wednesday 14 January. So long after William disappeared

Also from that article (this is very interesting - I'm sure I've read the article but due to the information overload at the time a few facts passed me by!)

"Police seized his telephone records and those of William’s grandmother as they have checked his statement that he had a missed call from the grandmother that morning and tried to call back but could not get through.

A friend of Mr Spedding’s said yesterday that police had questioned Mr Spedding about “why the phone calls were no longer in the call log on his mobile phone.”

So does that mean that the calls showed up on the telephone records, but WS had deleted the calls from his call log? A strange thing to do if he was trying to cover his tracks. Surely he would know that the police have other means to check things? Maybe he had planned to give police a different story and deleted the calls from his log (or perhaps he DID give them a different story - e.g. that he never spoke to the family that day.) Maybe he thought that deleting the calls would be enough to avoid suspicion or further investigation.

"Mr Spedding has told police he then walked with his wife across the road to Laurieton Public School to attend a school assembly in which one of his grandchildren got an award.

It is understood Mr Spedding has asked a woman who was taking photographs at the assembly for a copy of the pictures."

I wonder what came of that?

According to which ever article you read he phoned grandmothers house once in the morning and again in the afternoon. (according to this one)

If grandmother had caller ID then any incoming calls would have been known immediately.
Just as a certain number of outgoings are stored.
I am going to assume grandmother would have consented to her phone records being obtained, given the circumstances.
Which would have proved or disproved if WS had missed the call from grandmothers house an if had phoned the house once or twice. Before he was even interviewed.

It just seems to me that if he was interview by the police soon after William disappeared, they would have asked his whereabouts and done some checking. IMO something has not gelled early on.

Dunbogan and phone records could maybe have been checked before the raid, based on his initial interview.

The coffee shop - I do not know. Did he say he went for coffee in his initial interview or is that an after thought?

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2015/01/22/nsw-toddler-search-may-haunt-tradesman