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Where are we up to ?? With the trial being extended into next week ...

I think there were 8 witnesses to be called

These are who we have heard from :
Beacroft
Gallyot
Savage
Dukes
Batchelor
Douiehi

So possibly 2 more to go?? Plus ?Jubes and ”Closing Arguments” .., (I do hope we get to hear a lot of what Cunneen says....)

Have I missed anyone???
 
I have every respect for Jubelin but have to say, after seeing the evidence played out in court against him it isn't looking absolutely great.

I have noticed in most footage this week showing him he has gone from the usually confident smiling untouchable bloke to looking quite stressed and nervous.

I have to wonder if Savage is going to look at going after him and NSW police like Spedding is.

Even if he is found guilty I believe everything he did was because he just wanted to find little William and give his family answers.

Still my hero Jubes...
 
Where are we up to ?? With the trial being extended into next week ...

I think there were 8 witnesses to be called

These are who we have heard from :
Beacroft
Gallyot
Savage
Dukes
Batchelor
Douiehi

So possibly 2 more to go?? Plus ?Jubes and ”Closing Arguments” .., (I do hope we get to hear a lot of what Cunneen says....)

Have I missed anyone???


Scott Cook
Mick Willing
For the Crown.

Then the Defence will commence.
 
Here is an edited version what was captured on his mobile phone on May 2, 2018, as played to the court.
Jubelin: “5:20pm, I’m just going into Benaroon Drive to speak to Paul Savage.”

Sound of car door, boots on gravel. Jubelin is allowed into the house, where listening devices are also in place.


Jubelin: “Look, guys (Savage and his daughter are present), I don’t know where to start with this … we’ve got concerns about your knowledge or involvement in William’s disappearance … I really hope you understand … I’m just trying to understand what happened to William … The things that you’ve said, Paul, just don’t ring true … I’ve got concerns that you’ve lost touch with reality … I’m trying to resolve this for the benefit of everyone …”

the edited version continues ......................................
and ends with


Savage: “No way I would have done it. No way.”

Jubelin: “I’ve got a mate with early on-set dementia. There’s not a judgment there. It’s just reality. It’s going to get ugly. People are demanding to know. I can only present the evidence. Hold that thought. We will resolve it.”


If it’s an accident, it can be resolved’: Gary Jubelin’s recording of William Tyrrell’s neighbour
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/if-its-an-accident-it-can-be-resolved-gary-jubelins-recording-of-william-tyrrells-neighbour/news-story/55fb3e7473f07cd210384f9f7fadaeb6
 
Here is an edited version what was captured on his mobile phone on May 2, 2018, as played to the court.
Jubelin: “5:20pm, I’m just going into Benaroon Drive to speak to Paul Savage.”

Sound of car door, boots on gravel. Jubelin is allowed into the house, where listening devices are also in place.


Jubelin: “Look, guys (Savage and his daughter are present), I don’t know where to start with this … we’ve got concerns about your knowledge or involvement in William’s disappearance … I really hope you understand … I’m just trying to understand what happened to William … The things that you’ve said, Paul, just don’t ring true … I’ve got concerns that you’ve lost touch with reality … I’m trying to resolve this for the benefit of everyone …”

the edited version continues ......................................
and ends with


Savage: “No way I would have done it. No way.”

Jubelin: “I’ve got a mate with early on-set dementia. There’s not a judgment there. It’s just reality. It’s going to get ugly. People are demanding to know. I can only present the evidence. Hold that thought. We will resolve it.”


If it’s an accident, it can be resolved’: Gary Jubelin’s recording of William Tyrrell’s neighbour
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/if-its-an-accident-it-can-be-resolved-gary-jubelins-recording-of-william-tyrrells-neighbour/news-story/55fb3e7473f07cd210384f9f7fadaeb6


Interesting article Soso. Transcript is much better than the tweets we've been reading.
 
Generally a postie will position the vehicle so that they do not have to get out unless there is a larger article to be dropped off or a signature needed.

Looking at the gutter in front of the letter box there is rubber/tyre marks where the vehicle runs up on the wrong side of the road and the postie puts it in from the driver's side window.
Usually the postie will drive along on the wrong side of the roadway.

If there was no other drops at the end of Beneroon, then he/she would have reversed back into No. 48 and continued back down.

If William had run out from behind these trees as the postie reversed, with the gutter bump, he/she might not have felt a baby like William imo.

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OMG (again) Well I guess many people reported hearing what they thought was Postie’s vehicle ? ?
Are you thinking PS suspects
 
Good point.. there’s def a lot more speculation around William being accidentally run over.. it’s possible and plausible

iMO & with respect 74 - speculation & re-examining is all we currently have. .
William, from all reports, was not a wanderer.

IF he thought was Daddy’s car & Maybe hid & jumped out - and then was run over - however I struggle with the fact that all that occurred ... silently & unseen... right up to the point of said victim being removed with nothing visible on / in the impact area (do you think PS saw & is protecting Postie ??)

all my own personal musings !
 
If police have a warrant to use a surveillance camera in a tree near the house of a POI, is there anything stopping them from aiming it to show the street and neighbouring properties in the background?

I doubt it StormBird - my guess is they can aim it anywhere - but whether stuff obtained is admissible or acceptable is another thing IMO.. :)
 
Three of the relevant conversations were recorded when warrants for listening devices — and the bugs themselves — were in place, meaning police were recording conversations at Savage’s house, as well as on his mobile phone and landline.

But Jubelin allegedly used his own phone to record the calls, mainly as a back-up, and his phone was not covered by the warrant.

The court has heard that the bugs in Savage’s house tended to produce recordings of “poor to very poor” quality.

Savage listens to Ray Hadley — a nice-and-loud radio talkshow — for hours every day, and not at a low volume. He is also a lonely widower who mutters to himself and to his dead wife, Heather, pretty much constantly.

The fourth recording was made when no warrants were in place. That would seem to be more serious, except that there had been a warrant. It had simply expired. A new one was soon issued.

On the face of it, this is not a detective “gone rogue”. He wasn’t chasing down a suspect who wasn’t already under surveillance.

Savage was very definitely under surveillance. The police had cameras in the bush around his house as well.

The court has heard that he, or rather his adult daughter, found one of the cameras and kept it for several weeks.

NoCookies | The Australian
William Tyrell’s hunter Gary Jubelin is now the hunted
 
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“Paul Savage, we know, he’s a street stickybeak,” Jubelin told investigators. “His version of events was that he didn’t hear any of the commotion (in the street on the morning William disappeared.)

“His version of events, he went walking up into the bush, uphill, got a little bit lost, and came back and had a cup of tea.

“That makes me suspicious. It’s against his character. Someone invests so much time to look for (William) and simply goes into the house and has a cup of tea … that is strange.”

Jubelin looked at the circumstances surrounding the AVO.

“She (the post lady) had been stalked by Paul Savage,” he said.

“It got to the extent where he would come out and say I love you, turning up at the post office — crying shaking, saying we need to be together.

“He kept harassing her … police took out an AVO, he breached it, he was charged, he pleaded guilty.”

By Jubelin’s account, the “harassment” — which Savage denied to him — then stopped.

During that time, he said, Savage turned his attention to William’s foster grandmother, who lived opposite him, and had recently become widowed.

“He would turn up unannounced and just stand there and stare at her,” he said.

Two days before William disappeared, the court heard, the “post lady” was due to visit William’s foster nana on Benaroon Drive where William was staying when he went missing.

Jubelin wondered if Savage would have been “hyper-vigilant” and looking out for her.

NoCookies | The Australian
William Tyrell’s hunter Gary Jubelin is now the hunted
 
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It's funny/interesting how people find fault with POIs and suspects' reactions no matter *what* their reactions are. If they're angry, they've got anger management issues; if they're cool and composed, they're slimy and untrustworthy; if they're emotional and crying, it's fake and alligator tears. To me, that is why it is terrible to name POIs in MSM and to air dirty laundry in public of an innocent person, at least until they become an 'accused'. We all know how Jubelin got a taste of all of that when he himself was accused - he was very much looking forward to his day in court when he could defend himself. As a POI, you're not even accused, and there is no way to defend oneself. jmo.

***ETA to add that I'm not talking specifically to you Warshawski, nor even necessarily about this case.. just generally I have noticed this over the course of following many cases on WS over the years.

thanks for your closing *** D ... all good, and I do agree with your comments. We’re all so ready to ‘judge’ on the basis of someone’s reaction - however, we must give credence to fact of ‘individuality’, which covers the whole ‘being’.

As an Aussie, I immediately think of Lindy Chamberlain & how her demeanour was the catalyst to her being found guilty .. IMO.

It’s playing out again in judgement of William’s Bio & Foster families. .. it’s so sad & so wrong ... but we want answers & we search & search .... we don’t want to be mean or disrespectful but we want to find this little boy & we need to turn over every stone & examine it carefully ... ... this IMO was what was behind the examination of PS (& BS) and it’s a bit sad & disturbing IMO that those people didn’t embrace & join forces, rather than sue.. just my thoughts. .. also that it’s all a pretty crap situation..

I pray for William & his family. There’s power in the collective :)
 
I have every respect for Jubelin but have to say, after seeing the evidence played out in court against him it isn't looking absolutely great.

I have noticed in most footage this week showing him he has gone from the usually confident smiling untouchable bloke to looking quite stressed and nervous.

I have to wonder if Savage is going to look at going after him and NSW police like Spedding is.

Even if he is found guilty I believe everything he did was because he just wanted to find little William and give his family answers.

Still my hero Jubes...

If Spedding is ready to take someone the the cleaners then Savage has the same rights
Imo Spedding lost a lot more though.
 
It's funny/interesting how people find fault with POIs and suspects' reactions no matter *what* their reactions are. If they're angry, they've got anger management issues; if they're cool and composed, they're slimy and untrustworthy; if they're emotional and crying, it's fake and alligator tears. To me, that is why it is terrible to name POIs in MSM and to air dirty laundry in public of an innocent person, at least until they become an 'accused'


Spot on
Look at that actor who got accused of rape.
John Garret I think it was.
People's lives are destroyed with a trial by media and are left to try to pick up the pieces.
It's not right.
No names,nothing until they're in court
 
Yes I wondered the same, Deugirtni. But the bit where he says run into your property does make me think of William playing in the garden and maybe seeing something that interested him or looked familiar and so he ran down the hill into PSs garden. I can’t see GJ running into his property.

Me thinks this is just PS rambling. . In frustration & everything else.
I do believe he would’ve felt his property invaded. he was bugged, he was visited, he was interrogated ..

IMO .
 
Lia Harris
Gallyot told the court he hesitated and looked at Jubelin, who said “just do it”, which he did. Jubelin then proceeded to call Savage while Gallyot recorded the call.

Gallyot told the court Jubelin told him “don’t save that anywhere”, but he saved the recording on his work computer anyway.

so is Gallyot the troublemaker..?
I can certainly understand the request to ‘record’..I take copious notes that I try to then make sense of - recording would make it so much clearer & easier - yet none of what I do measures in importance to that of one Trying to Solve the Disappearance of a Little Boy !

‘Don’t Save It’ - he was told. In other words, as I would suggest, just please keep it local so we can go over & review.

There’s always one !
 
Lia Harris
Gallyot told the court Jubelin later handed him his phone and asked him to make a “synopsis” of the recorded visits with Savage for the Coroner.

Gallyot told the court Jubelin told him “don’t do it word for word and if anyone asks, we’ll just say we obtained it from the listening devices”.

Gallyot told the court Jubelin was asked in a briefing by another officer why he suggested to Savage that his wife Heather may have accidentally run over William and claims Jubelin responded by saying “the death of Heather is a sore point and that’s something I can exploit”.

Callous as it sounds - this investigation is due to the sudden & unexplained disappearance of a small child. IMO it’s all IN until judged as Out.

If was my child (and I dare say other’s) I’d expect & demand no stone left unturned & no possibilities avoided or excused.

Yes, I’d apologise for the inconvenience, in full expectation of understanding, support & assistance.
 
Hi all! I haven't made any posts yet, just been following & reading with interest for a couple of years now.

One thing that I would like to know, that I haven't seen mentioned so far (please correct me if I'm wrong) is about Williams older sister.

Was she still outside playing when William disappeared? Or did she tire of the game and go up on the deck with FFM & FFG? If she was still playing outside, surely the FFM would ask Where did you last see William? Where was he hiding? Etc, etc. I'm just not sure if any of this has been asked on the thread. Even in the reenactment FFM just says 'it went quiet & then I started calling for William' Which seems to imply that she knew where the older sister was at the time.

Hi & welcome Cathy. It’s great to have enhanced Sleuthing power :)

TBH not much has been reported re L & her knowledge. Yes we’d love to know but I think that info is privileged for Investigators & I admire that respect of her & her right to anonymity .
 
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