Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #54

[CaptainPeacock]

I’m feeling a little bit confident something will come of this

Very soon. The answers are all coming.

 

[CaptainPeacock]

Crazy. It wasn't there until well after dark.

Nup. That was one of PS's mistakes. He gave a lot of contradictory evidence like this. In court, I watched his son and daughter shaking their heads at this statement.

 

[CaptainPeacock]

Especially while school is in session. Wouldn't schools even have cameras? I recall that AMS stated she'd driven her children to school that morning (and didn't see the two cars).. unless the pickup was much later, after school.. but then where would they have hidden out while hundreds of people were searching in the vicinity for W?

The shed is nowhere near the school (functionally) although it is geographically behind the school grounds. The shed is quite isolated and not easily visible. Certainly not possible to see it from the school grounds.

 

[CaptainPeacock]

Mmmm mrs parish??

No. RP's brother's wife.

 

[CaptainPeacock]

Mr & Mrs Parish????

No. RP's brother and his wife.

 

[CaptainPeacock]

That could be another scenario, the 'best mate' held WT captive for an unknown amount of time somewhere in Kendall, and met with RP behind the Kendall school shed for the 300km drive. Risky though, everyone local knew about WT's disappearance.

Nope. It was the same day of the abduction.

 

[CaptainPeacock]

Did anyone else notice this CO article - it elaborates on a couple of things. 'Two dogs'????? And if the sex offences were from 'repeatedly molesting these 3 children and he'd been charged with 20 sex offences against them, it seems he must've had regular access to them. I was able to read this article as it was linked in one of The Australian's tweets here: The Australian on Twitter

Mr Frank Abbott, 79, had been found guilty in 2017 of repeatedly molesting two small boys and a little girl, but he had been assured that there were “mitigating circumstances.”

Mr Parish agreed that he’d known Mr Abbott, 79, for years, and that he had supported him when he was some charged with twenty sex offences against the local children.
...
Mr Abbott has previously been acquitted of the murder of a seventeen-year-old girl. He has also been acquitted of a sex crime against an eight-year-old girl. He has been accused during this inquest of bestiality with two local dogs, and petty theft.

NoCookies | The Australian

Best not pursue trying to identify the children. It is harmful to certain people - especially them - and has no relevance to the investigation.

 

[Thebottomline]

I wonder just how many of these characters were involved in the actual crime ?

 

[peekinandy]

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[peekinandy]

No need to avoid streets. They would've gone the most direct route, which unfortunately isn't past RC's place. No turn into Laurel Street - it would slow them down too much.

"No. The abductor would've gone past RC's to get to the shed, then from there they'd have used Logans Crossing Road out of town. Abbott knew exactly what he was doing when he selected that route." CaptainPeacock

Did they go past Rc's? I'm confused. <modsnip: Please don't discuss other members or moderation.>

is anyone else confused?

Sorry I don't know how to include two quotes but the first 2 quotes are captain peacocks

 

[JLZ]

No. Not Tamworth. Try northwards on the coastal route. GRAFTON. CASINO. BALLINA.

Those places are certainly more directly north; Tamworth is north-west or west-north-west. But do you have any other reason for thinking RP and FA took the more coastal route on the other occasion? Also, is it your understanding that the Tamworth trip was before or after the other one?

 

[katydid23]

So it seems FA was smart enough to take and conceal William with no one seeing or hearing. Yet, not smart enough to keep his mouth shut and stop suspicion pointing his way. Whilst I think it's quite possible he was involved, I can't help but remember (when I had my other WS account) back around 2016 that most posters were utterly convinced that BS was responsible. Unless and until someone speaks up I don't think we will ever know.

BS seemed to be guilty mostly because the press made it seem like the detectives thought he was guilty. JMO

 

[katydid23]

How does Donohoe have an association with Abbott or Jones? I may have missed something here.




A Men's Shed is not an uncommon thing here. Consisting of retired men who get together, maybe have a barbeque meal together, chat about projects they are doing, have a beer together. A good friend's dad belongs to one. Her retired firefighter dad likes to carve beautiful bowls out of wood and stay connected with guys his age for purely social reasons.

I don't know how we are presuming that Abbott/Jones/Donohoe belonged to this Men's Shed group - which may be a very respectable group of retired blokes who have respectable hobbies and hang out together once every two weeks or so?

This post will explain why I was speaking about the men's shed group. I could be way off, but was basing the theory on these things:

Reportedly, Mr Porter picked up "his best friend" [Frank Abbot] and Tyrrell from a shed out the back of Kendall Public School and "drove 300km north"

Reportedly, Ray Porter lived at the Showgrounds. And there were rumours that FA had stayed at the Showgrounds at some points as well.

And then this post:
Australia - Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #54
most definitely. I’m not sure about PS TJ but there are many pictures on the internet that connect FA RP MP possibly GO to Kendall Men’s Club and Herons Creek Heritage Trail and Community group. And these pictures go back some years too. Instagram and FB and even google are good avenues to explore


In my opinion, there are some details which point to possibility RP and FP, along with a couple others in their circle, had some association with the Showgrounds and the Shed. From living there to using it asa pick up point.

I dont know if they were formal members or not, but it makes sense they might hang out there at times, since they were also handymen and wood workers and construction workers;. So it would help them get future work projects and connections, etc.


sources:
We heard from Mrs Northam in the inquest:
"The court heard Abbott used to spend time with a friend named Ray [Porter]who lived at the Kendall Showground. Mrs Northam couldn’t recall his last name"

But this from Irma Porter:
"The court heard Ms Porter told police “I got the impression Frank was not a very nice person. Ray told me one of his neighbours in Wauchope had told him to stay away from Frank”.

from the inquest:
The court heard Mr Porter picked up "his best friend" [FA} and Tyrrell from a shed out the back of Kendall Public School and "drove 300km north".

Tara Schofield was the service manager at the aged care facility in Port Macquarie and told the court she called police after the conversation was reported to her.

Coincidentally, the search headquarters were moved to the Showgrounds early on:
Fri 10.30pm: Police have changed the meeting place for tomorrow morning: People are asked to gather at Kendall Showgrounds from 7am on Saturday to join the search for William Tyrell.

Sat, 6am: Large numbers are expected to join the search this morning at Kendall Showground, Batar Creek Road.

 

[interested64]

This is the shed in question.

Can you show this on a map at all for those of us who dont know the area ? Thank you

 

[stormbird]

Re the testimony by the niece of RC (the man who reported seeing William in a speeding fawn 4WD) and her husband, who both stayed with RC over that Sep 2014 weekend:

According to Lia Harris's tweets from the inquest*, which are the only records I can find, the couple visited Kendall Cemetery at some time on 12 Sep 2014, likely between 09:30 and 10:30. After that, when parked across a road from a "paper shop", they each saw an old man (wearing a cowboy hat and thick-rimmed glasses) driving an old white ute which hit a road sign while driving down a hill. The husband said he reported this sighting to CrimeStoppers when he remembered it one week later.

For anyone who was at the inquest on Mon 16 March 2020 or knows someone who was, or has seen the information anywhere else (in which case please do post a link):

- While at the cemetery did they hear anything other than building-type noise?
- Where was the "paper shop" and where was the couple's vehicle parked? What sort of vehicle did they have?
- Which give-way sign was clipped by the ute, and where did the ute go after that?
- Lia's tweet says the niece and husband seemed unclear about the exact time they were at the Kendall cemetery: what does this mean? (e.g. They were unable to specify an exact time in their police statements but could give a probable range? Unable to recall details when on the witness stand? One person's time contradicted the other?)
- They took flowers to the cemetery. Did they pick them at RC's or go somewhere else to get them?
- Did they see the ute or driver anywhere else, before or after the paper shop?
- The husband testified that when they revisited one year later, in September 2015, RC had been "'in quite a distressed state because he'd been interviewed' by police". What was RC distressed about? Had police gone to see him about his sighting of the 4WD or were they doing a canvass of the town?

*With thanks for posting the tweets:
- PrimeSuspect, starting at thread 53, post 909
- HayLouise, in the Media/Timeline No Discussion thread, post 89 and post 90
- Tinker Taylor, in thread 54, post 493

 

[peekinandy]

Re the testimony by the niece of RC (the man who reported seeing William in a speeding fawn 4WD) and her husband, who both stayed with RC over that Sep 2014 weekend:

According to Lia Harris's tweets from the inquest*, which are the only records I can find, the couple visited Kendall Cemetery at some time on 12 Sep 2014, likely between 09:30 and 10:30. After that, when parked across a road from a "paper shop", they each saw an old man (wearing a cowboy hat and thick-rimmed glasses) driving an old white ute which hit a road sign while driving down a hill. The husband said he reported this sighting to CrimeStoppers when he remembered it one week later.

For anyone who was at the inquest on Mon 16 March 2020 or knows someone who was, or has seen the information anywhere else (in which case please do post a link):

- While at the cemetery did they hear anything other than building-type noise?
- Where was the "paper shop" and where was the couple's vehicle parked? What sort of vehicle did they have?
- Which give-way sign was clipped by the ute, and where did the ute go after that?
- Lia's tweet says the niece and husband seemed unclear about the exact time they were at the Kendall cemetery: what does this mean? (e.g. They were unable to specify an exact time in their police statements but could give a probable range? Unable to recall details when on the witness stand? One person's time contradicted the other?)
- They took flowers to the cemetery. Did they pick them at RC's or go somewhere else to get them?
- Did they see the ute or driver anywhere else, before or after the paper shop?
- The husband testified that when they revisited one year later, in September 2015, RC had been "'in quite a distressed state because he'd been interviewed' by police". What was RC distressed about? Had police gone to see him about his sighting of the 4WD or were they doing a canvass of the town?

*With thanks for posting the tweets:
- PrimeSuspect, starting at thread 53, post 909
- HayLouise, in the Media/Timeline No Discussion thread, post 89 and post 90
- Tinker Taylor, in thread 54, post 493

I thought they saw the car hit something near the cemetery? Guess I was way off lol. A search of newsagents in Kendal show they don't have a major one - but it's likely the local store sells them? It's at 9-13 Comboyne st. (Newspapers are advertised as being sold at Kew 1.6 km from Kendall).

Anyway, if you take a google trip outside the local kendal store, there are two give way signs not far, where the road splits to Albert street (the street that goes to the cemetery... ) & if he was a going down hill then I guess he'd be coming down Albert, away from the cemetery?? The only other signs I can see near the shop are parking signs, and one further away toward kew is a crossing sign. I didn't actually see a stop sign but someone else might - just had a quick look...

 

[stormbird]

I wonder when the photo was taken. His hair is short and curly now.

Tinker Taylor,

The AAP Photos site says the photo of DP was by Nathan Edwards on Tue 17 March 2020 - so, only 2 days before your post. I can't work out how to link to the individual image, but (I hope) here's a link to the archive of photos for William Tyrrell Disappearance Inquest. Lots of pics of inquest witnesses, with thanks to AAP.

Do you know if DP ever had blond hair?

 

[JLZ]

I thought they saw the car hit something near the cemetery? Guess I was way off lol. A search of newsagents in Kendal show they don't have a major one - but it's likely the local store sells them? It's at 9-13 Comboyne st. (Newspapers are advertised as being sold at Kew 1.6 km from Kendall).

Anyway, if you take a google trip outside the local kendal store, there are two give way signs not far, where the road splits to Albert street (the street that goes to the cemetery... ) & if he was a going down hill then I guess he'd be coming down Albert, away from the cemetery?? The only other signs I can see near the shop are parking signs, and one further away toward kew is a crossing sign. I didn't actually see a stop sign but someone else might - just had a quick look...

There is a building labelled Newsagent at 16 Comboyne St. From there one could see someone cutting through from Albert to Comboyne, to turn up Comboyne in the direction of the school. I can see a street sign but it's hardly accessible to being hit in that way, wrong side of the road and behind a chain fence.

 

[JLZ]

And further to that--was it a Give Way sign? There's one at the intersection of Albert and Comboyne, at the narrow end of the traffic island wedge, and well in view of 16 Comboyne St. خرائط ‪Google‬‏‏

 

[kiwi50]

Tinker Taylor,

The AAP Photos site says the photo of DP was by Nathan Edwards on Tue 17 March 2020 - so, only 2 days before your post. I can't work out how to link to the individual image, but (I hope) here's a link to the archive of photos for William Tyrrell Disappearance Inquest. Lots of pics of inquest witnesses, with thanks to AAP.

Do you know if DP ever had blond hair?

Thankyou, interesting pics, some were new to me.