Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #60

[BreakingNews]

Maby that gives grater motive, as the foster family were trying for adoption (even know perents were still in the picture the foster family are still trying for a adoption) maby they found out its not likely with WT and because of that possibly not likely for the sister as at the time department priority may hav been to keep brother and sister together adopting one without the other may not hav been an option, possibly if it was a situation that if WT no longer existed nothing would be standing in the way to pave the way for adoption with the sister,

Maby everything was pre planed once she found out that everything she had done for thies children was all for nothing in her books if they can't become her own children, her plan is adoption she was trying to adopt when it was a situation thies kids are in foster care they hav perents that love them, thay want to see them but the foster family are trying to adopt and make thies children their own even to the extent of WT now calling his real mother birth mother obvious he is over hearing things and repeating. Because of this birth mother the foster mother can't adopt WT and if she can't adopt WT is it possible she can't adopt sister as maby its a situation that the two come as a pair can't adopt one without the other, only the foster family, foster family lawyers, salvation army, the department knows what the situation was around adoption for thies family and what the recent discussions were and if it was a situation that the adoption the foster family are trying to make happen can't happen because of WT, I see this a motive to hav WT disappear so he is no longer in the picture with any family especially if the birth mother isn't in the legal motion of getting the sister as she was trying with WT, removing WT may hav removed the birth mothers impout into the situation or the foster mother may hav been thinking that, its been discussed alot that if it was an accident it may hav been covered up as of the priority to adopt the sister, im just try to say what if adopting the sister was the motive to the disappearance of WT

However, FD has other brothers still living with biomother. In my experience working in this field ( though not NSW) adoption would not be possible. Long term fostering til 18 is very common.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Search for William takes DARK turn as creek drained

The push for clues into the disappearance of missing toddler William Tyrrell has taken a dark turn as the renewed search enters its fifth day.

According to the Daily Mail, police stationed at the dig site have drained a creek near William’s foster grandmother’s house on New South Wales’ mid north coast and are searching through the mud left behind for the three-year-old’s remains.

An electric pump reportedly emptied the creek on Thursday night. Anything found by the police are to be presented to hydrologist Professor Jon Olley for examination.

While an officer earlier appeared to have found something in the muddy creek bed, but after inspection the item was dismissed by the expert as “nothing”.

 

[PinkPower]

All they need to do is listen to his book on Audible and they'll change their mind..

 

[katydid23]

No. No it doesn’t. Some little kids get up super early every day. Every day. They are ready to go at say 6am. Some even before that.

My kids got up early everyday. And so do my grandkids. But at 6 or 6:30, they get up and have some fruit and watch morning cartoons. Then they get dressed and come down for breakfast. After breakfast and brushing teeth, THEN they will go outside and play or red or do some colouring or chalk on the driveway. But they wouldn't be doing that by 7:30. It's still a bit chilly so early....More like 9 or so.

So, if he had already asserted it in his book, what was his reasoning for running to the press with it?

He is disclosing new operational information in an active investigation. IMO.

I think you are overthinking it.
I didn't hear any 'new' operational information in that short interview he gave. And I don't think it will have any impact upon whatever happens in the future of this case. JMO IMO MOO

 

[PinkPower]

I think you are overthinking it.
I didn't hear any 'new' operational information in that short interview he gave. And I don't think it will have any impact upon whatever happens in the future of this case. JMO IMO MOO

Or others are underthinking it perhaps. Either way, we will soon know, hopefully. JMO IMO MOO

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Community's hope for closure in tragic Tyrrell story

 

[Edgar70]

Justice is coming for William.

Someone knows something and is yet to speak up.

It's time to "man up" for William!

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Hope and grief of William Tyrrell investigation inescapable for Kendall community - 2GB

The Kendall community is grappling with yet another renewed push from police to find William Tyrrell, and the person/s behind his disappearance.

Camden Haven Anglican Church Reverend Nathan Killick told Jim Wilson the case still provokes all kinds of feelings of anger, sorrow, grief and confusion in residents of the area.

 

[Violet77]

IMO, the theory that makes the most sense here is that police has been suspecting foster family for months but have been missing solid evidence. Best option there for them was to hide those supicions, and watch them closely until they incriminated themselves in a conversation. What I think has happened is that surveillance has picked up an assault on the foster child. My guess is that police would have preferred to not intervene because they didn't have the info they still need for the WT case, but ethically they had to protect the foster child and remove them, which blew their surveillance operation.

Look at the wording in the article below.
(William Tyrrell: police strike force investigating disappearance charge man and woman with assault of a child)

That's totally in line with the assault being recorded or witnessed by surveillance.

IMO what's caused the recent flurry of activity is the fallout of the surveillance operation being blown. Removing the child from the family means revealing to the foster family their suspicions and the fact they've been watched, something the police had gone to great pains to hide until this point. So now police have had no choice but to move very quickly and prematurely even though they don't have enough information yet on where WT's body is or what happened. That theory would also make sense with the amount of drama around the digging etc... If you have been forced to reveal your suspicions before you were ready, you would want to make it look like you have enough incriminating evidence already to force the suspect to panic and make a mistake. Let's hope it works and find what's happened to WT, but I don't think things right now are unfolding the way police would ideally have wanted them to unfold.

Hello, great theory about the way LE have come across the assault of the child, we have not seen any wording suggested it was a complaint from the victim or disclosed to another person etc so that definitely makes sense

 

[katydid23]

An acquaintance of FA had been at the house not long before WT disappearance to give a decking repair quote according the documentary.
It’s possible some info about house was given to FA who perhaps went out there on the 12th with theft in mind or suchlike and it escalated into an opportunistic abduction.
Despite recent news I don’t think that scenario should be abandoned yet..imo

YES, I am still aboard the FA train. It is easier for me to believe a pedo with a criminal history is more likely to have harmed the 3 yr old.

But I don't know the info that LE has currently and that is sending them on this new trajectory.

Something that doesn't seem to have been mentioned much is the issue of how FM would have disposed of WT body if she had removed him from scene. Not easy or quick to bury a body..would need a shovel , would take time, would be messy , could easily have been seen in daylight.
Her clothes would have been messy...what became of the shovel..?
If body was just thrown out car...would probably have been found not long afterwards.
We don't know yet what happened to WT but FM involvement still seems to me to be more on the unlikely side of scale...imo

You're reading my mind. I am still on the fence with this new development. I am having a hard time seeing how it occurred. How did he fall from that fenced balcony? And if so, why not just call an ambulance? Accidents happen with toddlers when visiting grandparents homes. They happen a lot, being in an unfamiliar home that is not as child proofed. Why would an intelligent, educated. mature woman make the sudden brazen choice to bury a child in the garage?

 

[drsleuth]

YES, I am still aboard the FA train. It is easier for me to believe a pedo with a criminal history is more likely to have harmed the 3 yr old.

But I don't know the info that LE has currently and that is sending them on this new trajectory.



You're reading my mind. I am still on the fence with this new development. I am having a hard time seeing how it occurred. How did he fall from that fenced balcony? And if so, why not just call an ambulance? Accidents happen with toddlers when visiting grandparents homes. They happen a lot, being in an unfamiliar home that is not as child proofed. Why would an intelligent, educated. mature woman make the sudden brazen choice to bury a child in the garage?

I do wonder if they have his cell bugged or a covert officer , but I think FA's to cunning to fall for that.........

 

[PinkPower]

YES, I am still aboard the FA train. It is easier for me to believe a pedo with a criminal history is more likely to have harmed the 3 yr old.

But I don't know the info that LE has currently and that is sending them on this new trajectory.



You're reading my mind. I am still on the fence with this new development. I am having a hard time seeing how it occurred. How did he fall from that fenced balcony? And if so, why not just call an ambulance? Accidents happen with toddlers when visiting grandparents homes. They happen a lot, being in an unfamiliar home that is not as child proofed. Why would an intelligent, educated. mature woman make the sudden brazen choice to bury a child in the garage?

It's hard to fathom, I know. Especially the time frame. It is short, so that's always going to be a problem to wrap your head around, but really, if you think about it, it takes less than a few minutes to place a body somewhere in a bushy area.

I think it's quite clear when looking at motive that the FF would be afraid of losing custody of the other child if it was an accident. A biological family in the same situation would not have the same fears or stressors, this cannot be overlooked, IMO.

Motive + Opportunity are there. IMO.

 

[katydid23]

In what world would LE Throw somebody under the bus incase they crack?

They are a suspect and they clearly think this person did it. They have clearly said “they are only looking at one person”.


Yet you think they have just thrown a fishing net out there and would destroy a life and a reputation to see if the person cracks.

I think the kind of did that to BS earlier. They threw all of the 'evidence' against him out to the public, then sat back and watched him and his family fall apart, waiting to see what would happen next.

 

[they'll get you]

"Police at the William Tyrrell dig site have drained the creek after installing a pump to reduce the water level and expose areas to fossick through for evidence of the missing toddler."

William Tyrrell search takes a grim turn as cops pump CREEK near home for remains | Daily Mail Online

The only pieces of clothing that was found of Daniel Morcombe’s was the elastic from his underwear and his jogger shoes. (iirc)His body was found in a dry creek bed and his clothes were thrown into a roadside culvert, both endured flooding.

The natural fibre of cotton perishes quickly whereas
man made fibres and plastics won’t break down.

Iirc the Spider-Man suit was polyester and the similar shoes (pictured) will float with flooding and remain for years and years, like Daniel’s did.
Red is one of the highest fading colours but the polyester will might remain in tact although the sun exposed sides might be pink by now.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

It's hard to fathom, I know. Especially the time frame. It is short, so that's always going to be a problem to wrap your head around, but really, if you think about it, it takes less than a few minutes to place a body somewhere in a bushy area.

I think it's quite clear when looking at motive that the FF would be afraid of losing custody of the other child if it was an accident. A biological family in the same situation would not have the same fears or stressors, this cannot be overlooked, IMO.

Motive + Opportunity are there. IMO.

My main issue with this is the fact it wasn't found, from 11am onwards there were police, searchers, dogs combing the entire area for days .. I can imagine a blitz attack which caused a death, and say the window is from 9:45-10:30am that is plenty of time, but it's the fact the body was able to be taken somewhere quickly and then concealed for so long that gets me. I would have thought a hasty disposal would also bring about a hasty discovery, unless someone was particularly lucky.

 

[katydid23]

In what world would LE Throw somebody under the bus incase they crack?

They are a suspect and they clearly think this person did it. They have clearly said “they are only looking at one person”.


Yet you think they have just thrown a fishing net out there and would destroy a life and a reputation to see if the person cracks.

I think the kind of did that to BS earlier. They threw all of the 'evidence' against him out to the public, then sat back and watched him and his family fall apart, waiting to see what would happen next.

Can you show me proof of when they said this about another suspect please.


ETA - not being difficult as I watched a documentary on this case two weeks ago and then saw it in the news today. So I don’t know much about other suspects. But this seems pretty concrete to me that they think the FM is guilty IMO

Look up Bill Spedding, original suspect.

The washing machine man and the mystery of what happened to William Tyrrell

How police investigating William Tyrrell's disappearance wrongly targeted Bill Spedding

The washing machine repairman who became the chief suspect in one of Australia's biggest child abduction mysteries has revealed for the first time how the ordeal "shattered" his life.

Bill Spedding became the highest-profile person of interest in the police investigation into the 2014 disappearance of three-year-old William Tyrrell, who became known as the "boy in the Spiderman suit".

Despite an intensive police investigation and a record $1 million reward for information, no trace of William has ever been found and the case remains unsolved.

In an exclusive interview to air on Four Corners tonight, Mr Spedding, who was wrongly targeted by police, reveals how the investigation ruined his quiet life and destroyed his business.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

I don't suppose a Mr Big thing would work, now that everyone knows how it works, criminals included.

I don't have a suspect in mind.

I still think William could have wandered off and found a hiding place he couldn't get out of.

 

[PinkPower]

My main issue with this is the fact it wasn't found, from 11am onwards there were police, searchers, dogs combing the entire area for days .. I can imagine a blitz attack which caused a death, and say the window is from 9:45-10:30am that is plenty of time, but it's the fact the body was able to be taken somewhere quickly and then concealed for so long that gets me. I would have thought a hasty disposal would also bring about a hasty discovery, unless someone was particularly lucky.

IMO, I agree, it seems unlikely, but no less unlikely than some opportunistic pedophile was lurking on a private property in a culdesac to steal a child when his grandmother, sister and FM were within earshot.

The fact that dogs didn't pick up his scent on the property could lend to the theory he was escorted off via FF car or abduction.

The FGM mentioned that the scene was 'pandemonium' - they weren't looking for a body. They were looking for a missing child from the outset. They were combing through the surrounding bush and looking at cars and POI's in the abduction theory.
If the body was placed 1km away in a remote area and later moved, it seems plausible it wouldn't be detected by early searches. I believe the area they are examining now was never searched? I might have that wrong.

Look at the AJ case, he was right near the house and missed for many days.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Stanger things things have happened as they say. LE wont look stupid to me i think they r being public about the case as to show the efforts they r willing to go to. I am really liking the transparency we have had so far, while keeping the integrity of the case in the for front of their minds. LE have way more information then they let known to the public. Leaving us all watching and guessing what's the next move?, did someone say something after all this time ? 100million dollars and still nothing Im guessing its either was a pure accident with no foul play ( he wondered off into the bush ) and searches missed him or the possible person involved has done this before and has no need to tell anyone. I cant convince myself its the ff but am really trying to remain openminded ,because at this point to me it looks like all scenarios are on the table and that's a good thing. IMO

I've wondered the same, he's fallen down a hole/shaft that's covered with weeds and grass, and been missed in the searches. Maybe, he crawled into a hollowed out rotted tree and somehow was stuck and became dehydrated and died.
With the abduction theory, he could've been taken and released somewhere in the thick bush but not that close to FGM's house and WT perished from exposure and thirst/drowned in nearby river.
The abductor has a 'clear conscience' because they didn't end his life. These strange ones have a weird logic and moral compass that gets them through life.
JMO

 

[drsleuth]

It's hard to fathom, I know. Especially the time frame. It is short, so that's always going to be a problem to wrap your head around, but really, if you think about it, it takes less than a few minutes to place a body somewhere in a bushy area.

I think it's quite clear when looking at motive that the FF would be afraid of losing custody of the other child if it was an accident. A biological family in the same situation would not have the same fears or stressors, this cannot be overlooked, IMO.

Motive + Opportunity are there. IMO.

Yeah, Nah, I just don't see that her first reaction to an accident is to discard William. Plus the chances of pulling that off are so slim IMO