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Lunarmoth said:
Sorry could you please provide a source for this? What do you mean he had "eyes on the FGM" wasn't PS married at the time of WT's disappearance? I wasn't aware he had made any overtures towards the FGM of a romantic nature if that is what you mean by this?
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Eyes on FGM for what reason, I have no idea. The FGM had found him staring at her at the back door, he would visit her asking if she needed help. FGM ask PS's wife to tell him to stop coming to her house. Make of that what you will. Over friendly, concerned, only he knows. But he had an infatuation with the postie who had to get an AVO, and he breached it. He went to the post office demanding to see her, followed her while she was delivering the post, found out her birthday noted on the avo and this prompted him to break it and wish her a happy birthday.
All this happened while he was married but his wife was ill, maybe, stress got to him and he wanted comfort, companionship. Having stress and worries and keeping eyes on an infatuation could lead to an accident and a cover up. The earlier threads have this information with links. I'll go back and post them when I can.
 
PrimeSuspect said:
Eyes on FGM for what reason, I have no idea. The FGM had found him staring at her at the back door, he would visit her asking if she needed help. FGM ask PS's wife to tell him to stop coming to her house. Make of that what you will. Over friendly, concerned, only he knows. But he had an infatuation with the postie who had to get an AVO, and he breached it. He went to the post office demanding to see her, followed her while she was delivering the post, found out her birthday noted on the avo and this prompted him to break it and wish her a happy birthday.
All this happened while he was married but his wife was ill, maybe, stress got to him and he wanted comfort, companionship. Having stress and worries and keeping eyes on an infatuation could lead to an accident and a cover up. The earlier threads have this information with links. I'll go back and post them when I can.
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Heather left at 10.30 is this right...what time did the postie normally deliver....did she leave at 10.30..was.it on a camera or did ps just say this..this man imo is not squeeky
 
The only cars I am aware of, on my street, are the ones which park on my boundary. That and noisy cars which attract attention.

This is why AMS and FM testimonies are important - it was a shared boundary the cars were supposedly parked on. AMS says they were not there. FM recalls them being there.

Parking for such a prolonged period of time - 3 hours - there would be a greater likelihood of being recognised - thats quite a risk.
PrimeSuspect said:
Eyes on FGM for what reason, I have no idea. The FGM had found him staring at her at the back door, he would visit her asking if she needed help. FGM ask PS's wife to tell him to stop coming to her house. Make of that what you will. Over friendly, concerned, only he knows. But he had an infatuation with the postie who had to get an AVO, and he breached it. He went to the post office demanding to see her, followed her while she was delivering the post, found out her birthday noted on the avo and this prompted him to break it and wish her a happy birthday.
All this happened while he was married but his wife was ill, maybe, stress got to him and he wanted comfort, companionship. Having stress and worries and keeping eyes on an infatuation could lead to an accident and a cover up. The earlier threads have this information with links. I'll go back and post them when I can.
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it would take a very very sick individual to sit there, watching hundreds of police officers, investigators, ses volunteers crawling on their hands and knees in bushland, sifting through dirt…. Looking for the body of a little boy, knowing where he was the entire time.
I don’t think there’s are rehabilitation for that kind of mind.
 
interested64 said:
Heather left at 10.30 is this right...what time did the postie normally deliver....did she leave at 10.30..was.it on a camera or did ps just say this..this man imo is not squeeky
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Yes, iirc, she was going to bingo? Did he back the car out for her and hit WT? Or, did she? WT wandering down in their direction is a plausible theory, he might have been running and darting about like a spiderman. jmo
 
BreakingNews said:
This is so baffling. I can't understand the police making public announcement. Why didn't they just do all their sifting and searching before publically announcing only 1 poi? Then surprise us with an arrest! Wonder what LE angle is! Are they going to look dumb again if nothing comes to light! Are they putting pressure on FF to divide and concur? Or is this a ploy to have someone else relax and slip up? Why? Why? Why? Where is Sweet William?
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Police cannot falsely name someone as a POI just to put pressure on a different party. That would be so frowned on by the courts that any confessions, admissions or other evidence obtained as a result would be excluded on public policy grounds.

The courts would NEVER be part of any undercover operation by falsely listing charges or AVOs. NEVER
 
PinkPower said:
IMO, I agree, it seems unlikely, but no less unlikely than some opportunistic pedophile was lurking on a private property in a culdesac to steal a child when his grandmother, sister and FM were within earshot.

The fact that dogs didn't pick up his scent on the property could lend to the theory he was escorted off via FF car or abduction.

The FGM mentioned that the scene was 'pandemonium' - they weren't looking for a body. They were looking for a missing child from the outset. They were combing through the surrounding bush and looking at cars and POI's in the abduction theory.
If the body was placed 1km away in a remote area and later moved, it seems plausible it wouldn't be detected by early searches. I believe the area they are examining now was never searched? I might have that wrong.

Look at the AJ case, he was right near the house and missed for many days.
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The PD Gov did pick up his scent on the property thou, but only to the boundary from memory.
 
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PrimeSuspect said:
Yes, iirc, she was going to bingo? Did he back the car out for her and hit WT? Or, did she? WT wandering down in their direction is a plausible theory, he might have been running and darting about like a spiderman. jmo
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This is one I can't let go...if someone had gone out to check postie did William see him and was ps scared fm may tell fgm or his wife and with avo issues and all...to me there is 3 people close to William at the time give or take 15min..fm..ps and a weirdo..or 4th option he just got lost
 
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missepic said:
it would take a very very sick individual to sit there, watching hundreds of police officers, investigators, ses volunteers crawling on their hands and knees in bushland, sifting through dirt…. Looking for the body of a little boy, knowing where he was the entire time.
I don’t think there’s are rehabilitation for that kind of mind.
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Not many criminals confess willingly. Most watch it all unfold and keep denying even after conviction. I guess in this case, the intense scrutiny and political theatre only make it even more difficult to comprehend. IMO.
 
PinkPower said:
They can only pick up a scent if their body made contact with the terrain. Scents don't linger in the air. They can only pick up the smell of a deceased body or body tissue if it made contact with the terrain or item it touched. JMO.
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Actually there are dogs used in SAR's that air called Air Scent Dogs

Air Scent Dogs – Sandia Search Dogs
 
drsleuth said:
Actually there are dogs used in SAR's that air called Air Scent Dogs

Air Scent Dogs – Sandia Search Dogs
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They work on non-human scent, usually, and need an article of clothing for any human scent. But given that humans cannot fly, they are usually picking up their scent on terrain the human has touched.

Human scent doesn't linger in the air for long.

JMO
 
PinkPower said:
They work on non-human scent, usually, and need an article of clothing for any human scent. But given that humans cannot fly, they are usually picking up their scent on terrain the human has touched.

Human scent doesn't linger in the air for long.

JMO
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I have seen articles about SAR dogs trailing the scent of a kidnapped child that was being carried. Also there is a famous case of a scent dog trailing a kidnapped teen who was in a fleeing car, and was able to find that car in a remote area.

In neither of the above cases, did the victim being sniffed out , touch the terrain before being successfully tracked by the scent dogs.
 
katydid23 said:
I have seen articles about SAR dogs trailing the scent of a kidnapped child that was being carried. Also there is a famous case of a scent dog trailing a kidnapped teen who was in a fleeing car, and was able to find that car in a remote area.

In neither of the above cases, did the victim being sniffed out , touch the terrain before being successfully tracked by the scent dogs.
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How long did the scent linger in the air for do you think? Days, weeks, years?
 
PinkPower said:
They work on non-human scent, usually, and need an article of clothing for any human scent. But given that humans cannot fly, they are usually picking up their scent on terrain the human has touched.

Human scent doesn't linger in the air for long.

JMO
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How Search-and-rescue Dogs Work

Air-scent dogs, on the other hand, work with their noses focused toward the air. They pick up human scent anywhere in the vicinity; they don't need a "last seen" starting point. Whereas tracking dogs follow a particular scent trail, air-scent dogs pick up a smell carried in air currents and seek out its origin — the point of greatest concentration.

Air-scent dogs might be called in to find a missing hiker located somewhere in a national park, an avalanche victim buried beneath the snow or people trapped under the rubble of a collapsed building. Air-scent dogs specialize in other types of searches, including:


Tracking (dog) - Wikipedia

An air scent is when human odours of sweat, cells, gland secretions, or toiletries circulate freely in the open air.[6] The bacteria attached to fallen skin cells provide dogs with odorous by-products that enhance the individuality of a trail.[6] While an initial air scent is much stronger than a ground scent, a ground scent remains detectable for a longer period of time.[6]
 
Mrs G Norris said:
I feel just as baffled by this case as I was on day 1.

What time exactly did FM take the car and drive towards the riding school looking for William, is there an exact time for that?
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We worked out last night (on the thread) - using the time line and witness statements it must have been sometime prior to 10:30am....

ETA we do not have an exact time for that ...

IMO
 
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