Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #61

[NMH]

Why would the bio Mum or dad see wt only ? And not the sister . Visitation must have surely continued for her?

It was both...there was pics on the bio mums fb at the time.

 

[Kiri]

Is the truck driver the new witness? Did he see FFC doing something? Was she looking out of window? (Which side, road or kerbside? - was she hiding or showing her face?) Is that why we are hearing about it now? He's finally contacted LE? Is the neice the new witness? Did she spot something in the car now/then or discuss something with LT recently that didn't add up? If the neice is young I.e 17 (or whatever legal age is to drive in Aus.) Could they be/have been close growing up as cousins (despite age gap!). Given FC's apparent wealth I'm surprised they didn't go for an overseas adoption given their means but maybe they really wanted a family that looked 'like' themselves, I.e not a blended/mixed race family - or perhaps they just hadn't realised how tricky the adoption process is in Aus. I.e cant just 'get' the perfect 2.4 family!!! What is MFC doing in all of this? Was he really out in car alone on his Skype? What have they got on FFC and not FGM/MFC? Unaccounted time? Motive - accident/she flipped/saw WT as some hindrance to adopting LT?

 

[asyousay]

Anything of value been found yet?

 

[JBowie]

I am curious about "while we were waiting"...waiting for what/who. I thought FM had searched the house/cupboards early on, before searching along the street.

She may be referring to the time between calling triple-zero and waiting for police to arrive.

three year olds are very impulsive and fearless. William may have been a cautious child but he was described as very energetic and excited that morning.

She goes to a lot of trouble to try to paint him differently. However, IMO, any boy who was -- as the foster parents said -- a huge fan of Spiderman, would be playacting leaping about, etc, just like the character does.

 

[Kiri]

Is the truck driver the new witness? Did he see FFC doing something? Was she looking out of window? (Which side, road or kerbside? - was she hiding or showing her face?) Is that why we are hearing about it now? He's finally contacted LE? Is the neice the new witness? Did she spot something in the car now/then or discuss something with LT/FFC/FFC's sister recently that didn't add up? If the neice is young I.e 17 (or whatever legal age is to drive in Aus.) Could they be/have been close growing up as cousins (despite age gap!). Given FC's apparent wealth I'm surprised they didn't go for an overseas adoption given their means but maybe they really wanted a family that looked 'like' themselves, I.e not a blended/mixed race family - or perhaps they just hadn't realised how tricky the adoption process is in Aus. I.e cant just 'get' the perfect 2.4 family!!! What is MFC doing in all of this? Was he really out in car alone on his Skype? What have they got on FFC and not FGM/MFC? Unaccounted time? Motive - accident/she flipped/saw WT as some hindrance to adopting LT?

 

[SleepyJoe]

These photos show the proximity of the back deck to the verandah. Both are accessed by 2 stairs. The verandah wraps around the side and front of the house and with the ground slope becomes very high off the ground.

The graphic was from back in 2014 when the story was that FFC went inside to make a cup of tea when he disappeared. I drew a red circle around the verandah entrance.

These are brilliant. It would take seconds for William to run around to the front of the verandah without anyone seeing him. And as a mother of a son with ADHD who is (still) very impulsive, I can tell you that my son would have had no troubles climbing that railing at 3yo and did many similar silly and dangerous things. Within a a couple of minutes, while FFC was inside making a cup of tea/ chatting etc, William could very, very easily have run around on to the verandah, climbed up on the railing and fell off. Very easily.

ETA while we don't know whether or not WT had anything like ADHD, we know that he was a boisterous, energetic, "masculine" child as per FGM description, and that he had some behavioural issues that the FFC had discussed with FACS (as per emails from her to FACS discussed upthread). Not only that, but he WAS in a Spiderman costume of all things, and probably thought he could do things like Spiderman!

 

[bfew]

People do this all the time, I'm filing this in my ever expanding false witness account file.

Is Ronald Chapman's witness account in there too?

 

[JBowie]

Does anyone know what the justification for the FPs still having anonymity could be?

They still have foster custody of William's 11 year old sister, who cannot be identified.

 

[Estelle]

Yes, I think that your thoughts are very plausible.

*** The following is my own pure speculation only about a possible sequences of events that could explain why someone might hide an accident***
***I am not suggesting that this is how the FFC felt or acted, nor that she is guilty if any crime***

Imagine a hypothetical professional person who is successful, with a good reputation, who is entrusted by others to look after non-biological children. This person likes things neat and organised and cares about things like efficient and timely repair of household goods, making sure that children in their care eat well and always brush their teeth before bed (even when arriving late at night to an away-from-home destination they are going to stay - instead of just letting them go to bed), that these children have a beautiful home to live in, go on nice holidays, have an abundance of toys, this person even makes story boards of the children with lots and lots of videos and photographs etc etc. This person likes others to think well of them and wants to think of themselves as doing a really good job of looking after the children (and convince others of this as well). They also really want to have a family of their own and have waited a long time to create one. They are invested in creating the Insta-perfect/ Facebook happy family image. Imagine that this person, being tired from a long car trip the night before, then getting up early with the kids, struggling with a boisterous child who is being demanding about what clothes to put on, then gets distracted doing something inside while the children are playing outside. This person then suddenly realises that they haven't heard one of the children in a while, and, feeling bad about not being attentive, quickly goes off to find the child. But instead, tragically, they come across a lifeless child who has been in a terrible accident. This person is used to being in control. They gasp, one hand flies up to the mouth in horror as they swallow their scream. This person knew that they weren't keeping a close eye on the child and now they feel completely responsible. Oh my goodness, how will the person ever explain this to anyone?! And now, because they know they *should* (in their minds) have been more attentive and are potentially to blame, the other much-wanted child might be taken away from them! Panic ensues "OMG! What can I do? I can't let anyone know about this!". In their panic, in a bizarre spur-of-the moment decision, the person decides to hide the body of the child - so the sibling doesn't see the body, so the partner won't know what happened. This person has a lot to lose if people think the child perished on their watch. Then, when the partner arrives to the scene, the person tells the partner that they can't find the child! The partner tells the person to call 000..... and it all snowballs from there.

This doesn't seem to make any sense to most of us. Many of us would scream, call an ambulance etc etc. But some may not scream, and in the heat of the moment, when stakes are high and thinking clouded by guilt, self-preservation and thoughts of protecting someone else (like another child), some may do things that ordinarily wouldn't make much sense. It doesn't mean that they are a sociopath/ psychopath/ cold/ callous. Just panicked and not thinking right. And then when once the lie starts it gets very, very difficult to come out later and tell the truth - especially knowing that it would bring the judgement and wrath of millions of people.

***Speculation only***

This person probably has never heard of the saying. "Crime does not pay".

 

[JBowie]

I’m over the chest beating.

I'm pretty much over Jubelin's chest beating. I don't see Laidlaw in that category at all -- in fact just the opposite.

 

[they'll get you]

Does anyone know what the justification for the FPs still having anonymity could be?

It’s all about the child.
It’s ALL about the child being able to live a normal life if that’s at all possible.
F will be known at her school, sports and activities, if their faces are shown everyone will know who she is.
It’s not the child’s fault she is an innocent.
Imo.

 

[stormyseas]

These quotes are excerpts from an interview with a Police media spokesperson in 2015.
IN THEIR WORDS: William Tyrrell's parents talk of the day their boy went missing and the 'living nightmare' they endure

"Police: It’s a tough question, but when did you first suspect abduction?

FM: In my mind it was immediate, because there was no way in the world William would have gone into that bush, it’s too thick, there’s lantana all through it. There is no way in the world he would have gone into that bush.


Police: Being a cautious boy he would have thought twice?
FM: It was in my head and even Mum, while I was talking with Mum while we were waiting and I was doing the frantic thing and running through the house and opening up cupboards and all sorts of stuff, I just kept going through my head, somebody’s taken him, I can’t, in my mind it was the only logical explanation for what could have happened."

I am curious about "while we were waiting"...waiting for what/who. I thought FM had searched the house/cupboards early on, before searching along the street.

Also I would be more inclined to think a three year old had gone exploring in the street or bush before suspecting they had been abducted. In my experience, three year olds are very impulsive and fearless. William may have been a cautious child but he was described as very energetic and excited that morning.

I remember very early on thinking there was a strong possibility the biological family had something to do with his disappearance, ie. custody-related issues.

I wonder if FFC was hinting at that possibility when she immediately considered he had been abducted? I considered it a legitimate possibility from her perspective when I assumed she was innocent of any wrongdoing. IMO

 

[Estelle]

After reading this, I find it hard to believe that Williams sister wrote these words. I am not discounting her feelings but some of the words seem, IMO, similar to wording used by the FFC. The more I listen to the FFC in interviews and have read in their appeals and posts, the more she comes across as needing to control the narrative. JMOO

Perhaps FFC wrote it for her and she just read it out. There were a few words in that which were not that of an average 10 year old.

 

[Warshawski]

Excatly is was also never mentioned in her first police statement to the police.

I don’t recall hearing anything about William running around near the clothes line early on either ( where was line ) but now we hear he was & it was all muddy there ( had it been raining, had they been hosing ? ) and she had to get his shoes on.
Then he went inside ?
Immediately - with shoes on or off ?

We did see those shoes by the door in one of the deck photos so perhaps they were on & off a bit ..

IMO there was a big lot going on in the few short hours that morning:

Breakfast - wheatbix or scrambled eggs or maybe both.
Did FMC give an account of the Morning happenings of only FFC?
(Maybe William only had the wheatbix then headed out to yard to play) Perhaps playing by himself for 1/2 hr or so then
Playing ‘Mummy Monster’ & not keen to climb a tree
Riding bikes on driveway, crashing into garden - maybe went down to wave off FMC (9am - 9.15 am)
Colouring on deck & making things for Opa’s grave
Getting restless & playing with some Dice
Playing Hide’nSeek with L incl Tiger Roars / playing Tiger Roar by himself

I’m wondering if we’re getting a much deeper dive now into what’s been said to highlight the suggested ‘inconsistencies’.

Reports seem to suggest it was 10.30am when W was last seen / heard.
Interesting it was so close to time FMC returned to house.
What proof do we have of any of that?

L said W went to wait for Daddy.

Did perhaps FFC see the txt that said he’d be back in 5 mins & tell a restless William.
He ran down & whatever happened, happened down the front

or did perhaps L ask ‘where’s William & she was told ‘he went to wait for Daddy & now we can’t find him because someone took him’ ..

I am really puzzled by the interest in his shoes as I think FFC said in 000 call that W was wearing shoes so you would expect them to be missing with him. I wonder if they turned up somewhere - donated goods when FGM packed up for the move

Thanks for bearing with me as I think aloud; all MOO. I just pray for this horrible mystery to be quickly solved.

 

[Edgar70]

Did anyone notice FM's hands when describing her belief that the alleged abductor went clump on William's shoulders, picked him up and moved him on (or words to that affect)?

I have watched others today demonstrate with their hands whilst stating a similar scenario to the above.

I felt very unsettled watching this. IMO.

 

[Green beans]

It’s all about the child.
It’s ALL about the child being able to live a normal life if that’s at all possible.
F will be known at her school, sports and activities, if their faces are shown everyone will know who she is.
It’s not the child’s fault she is an innocent.
Imo.

I can see the reasoning in this, however I wonder what impact living a secret life has had on her grief process.

was this the same in tias foster care case? I didn’t follow that as well as this case

 

[SleepyJoe]

Did anyone notice FM's hands when describing her belief that the alleged abductor went clump on William's shoulders, picked him up and moved him on (or words to that affect)?

I have watched others today demonstrate with their hands whilst stating a similar scenario to the above.

I felt very unsettled watching this. IMO.

Would you mind at all elaborating on this further?

 

[they'll get you]

Did anyone notice FM's hands when describing her belief that the alleged abductor went clump on William's shoulders, picked him up and moved him on (or words to that affect)?

I have watched others today demonstrate with their hands whilst stating a similar scenario to the above.

I felt very unsettled watching this. IMO.

Tell us why you are unsettled. Tell us what you are seeing please.

 

[SLouTh]

They still have foster custody of William's 11 year old sister, who cannot be identified.

Things may change as Media reported early this week that William's sister had been removed from their care, the previous Thursday. But yes, she does need to be protected.

William Tyrrell search: Child removed from care of foster parents. -Kidspot

 

[Warshawski]

Data retention obligations

The Telecommunications (Interception and Access) Act 1979 requires telecommunications companies to retain a particular set of telecommunications data for at least 2 years.

These obligations ensure Australia's law enforcement and security agencies are lawfully able to access data, subject to strict controls. Access to data is central to almost all serious criminal and national security investigations.

Data retention obligations

Imo they will keep for much longer with a Police request